Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is mad Democrats are raising revenue without raising taxes

seriously?

No. They're complaining that it's racist. Black people pay the vast majority of the fines, which are very expensive and can ruin people's lives. The Washington Post (and a lot of other publications) have written about this.

Black people need to be given a pass then for speeding tickets.

The fact that black drivers pay 5x the fines that white drivers do isn't suspicious to you?

Are you saying that black people are less able than white people to adhere to traffic laws?

Or that the camera focused on the license plate can tell the race of the driver?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

If you’re ticketed for going 36, I’m assuming the speed limit is 25? That’s about 40% over the limit, not insignificant. I’m not understanding how changing speed and having to see a posted sign is more sneaky than sneaky traffic lights changing or sneaky pedestrians crossing or sneaky cars pulling out into traffic. Driving actually requires you to…pay attention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence that traffic cameras have made DC safer? Obviously, people slow down when there's cameras. But the flip side is that people drive worse when they know we've turned traffic enforcement over to the cameras and, if you're on a street with no cameras (which is most of them), you can do anything you want. How do we know those two things net out to something better than when we didn't have cameras and motorists had to worry about cops pulling them over?

Yes, there is evidence that traffic cameras make streets safer. There's no asterisk for *except in DC.

Here's the number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years. Kindly point out to us where traffic cameras started making a difference.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Note: the higher numbers cited in another post include ALL traffic deaths, which include people killed by drunk and stoned drivers, pedestrians stepping in front of buses, motorists having heart attacks, etc. Obviously traffic cameras can't possibly do anything about those.

The silence here is deafening...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

If you’re ticketed for going 36, I’m assuming the speed limit is 25? That’s about 40% over the limit, not insignificant. I’m not understanding how changing speed and having to see a posted sign is more sneaky than sneaky traffic lights changing or sneaky pedestrians crossing or sneaky cars pulling out into traffic. Driving actually requires you to…pay attention.

It's the stop sign cameras that are the bigger problem. You can be completely stopped for several seconds, but if your bumper overhands the crosswalk even a little bit, you get a ticket, even if no one else is at the intersection. That kind of bullshit doesn't make anyone safer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is mad Democrats are raising revenue without raising taxes

seriously?

No. They're complaining that it's racist. Black people pay the vast majority of the fines, which are very expensive and can ruin people's lives. The Washington Post (and a lot of other publications) have written about this.

Black people need to be given a pass then for speeding tickets.

The fact that black drivers pay 5x the fines that white drivers do isn't suspicious to you?

It's hard not to notice that the city is handing out stiff fines to black drivers for petty complaints about how they stop, but simultaneously loosening the rules for white cyclists ("Idaho stops") so they don't have to obey stop signs (which, naturally, cyclists still don't obey).

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

If you’re ticketed for going 36, I’m assuming the speed limit is 25? That’s about 40% over the limit, not insignificant. I’m not understanding how changing speed and having to see a posted sign is more sneaky than sneaky traffic lights changing or sneaky pedestrians crossing or sneaky cars pulling out into traffic. Driving actually requires you to…pay attention.

It's the stop sign cameras that are the bigger problem. You can be completely stopped for several seconds, but if your bumper overhands the crosswalk even a little bit, you get a ticket, even if no one else is at the intersection. That kind of bullshit doesn't make anyone safer.

Well, yeah. You are supposed to stop at the stop line, not in the crosswalk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence that traffic cameras have made DC safer? Obviously, people slow down when there's cameras. But the flip side is that people drive worse when they know we've turned traffic enforcement over to the cameras and, if you're on a street with no cameras (which is most of them), you can do anything you want. How do we know those two things net out to something better than when we didn't have cameras and motorists had to worry about cops pulling them over?

Yes, there is evidence that traffic cameras make streets safer. There's no asterisk for *except in DC.

Here's the number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years. Kindly point out to us where traffic cameras started making a difference.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Note: the higher numbers cited in another post include ALL traffic deaths, which include people killed by drunk and stoned drivers, pedestrians stepping in front of buses, motorists having heart attacks, etc. Obviously traffic cameras can't possibly do anything about those. [/quote

Hey shithead cyclists. How about a fking answer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

If you’re ticketed for going 36, I’m assuming the speed limit is 25? That’s about 40% over the limit, not insignificant. I’m not understanding how changing speed and having to see a posted sign is more sneaky than sneaky traffic lights changing or sneaky pedestrians crossing or sneaky cars pulling out into traffic. Driving actually requires you to…pay attention.

It's the stop sign cameras that are the bigger problem. You can be completely stopped for several seconds, but if your bumper overhands the crosswalk even a little bit, you get a ticket, even if no one else is at the intersection. That kind of bullshit doesn't make anyone safer.

No, the PP specifically said speed.

But also, just stop where you are supposed to. Everyone else manages to do it just fine I’m sure you can figure it out too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

Yep, speed limit on 16th Street has been 30 mph for decades. Then about a month ago, along with the addition of new cameras, it changed to 25. I doubt there's really any data to back up the lower limit, so while we're at it, why not just go down to 5 mph?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem with trust is caused by the city being sneaky and lowering speed limits on roads that we have been driving on for years and then ticketing for going 36 mph on Wisconsin Ave.

Yep, speed limit on 16th Street has been 30 mph for decades. Then about a month ago, along with the addition of new cameras, it changed to 25. I doubt there's really any data to back up the lower limit, so while we're at it, why not just go down to 5 mph?

Ok, if you want that, it's fine with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/