ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arghhhh - once again, this change does not have anything to do with red shirting! It moves the date for which birth year cohort you are in from Jan 1st to August 1st.

It has NOTHING to do with what grade you are in.

Is it August 1st or September 1st?

At this point all rumor as to which, if either, it will switch to.

For PP - the only actual info I had was the original X post, but it would make more sense that it be decoupled from actual grades and be specific to birth year only.

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Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

If my kid is a top 150 type player in the class of 2025 and I can hold him/her back to graduate in the class of 2026, they will likely be a top 50 type player and more highly regarded by top programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

If my kid is a top 150 type player in the class of 2025 and I can hold him/her back to graduate in the class of 2026, they will likely be a top 50 type player and more highly regarded by top programs.

Or 151 since we're going with fuzzy pretend logic

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Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

If my kid is a top 150 type player in the class of 2025 and I can hold him/her back to graduate in the class of 2026, they will likely be a top 50 type player and more highly regarded by top programs.

Not if you don't have size and speed. Your kid may have better understanding, but that won't necessarily get them recruited.

[Anonymous]

Just red shirt a year than transfer if you want. Or go play in Europe for a few years. Will be interesting to see how new rules allowing colleges to pay players will affect amateur certification.

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Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

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Anonymous wrote:Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

Helpful post, you explained it well. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

If my kid is a top 150 type player in the class of 2025 and I can hold him/her back to graduate in the class of 2026, they will likely be a top 50 type player and more highly regarded by top programs.

Not if you don't have size and speed. Your kid may have better understanding, but that won't necessarily get them recruited.

A top 150 player will have their pick of power four programs to choose from.

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Anonymous wrote:Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

Where would this land 08.2015 graduating in 2033?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

Where would this land 08.2015 graduating in 2033?

Again, worry about your kid learning long division, not your 4th graders future soccer career. They will be on their same team next fall. Worry about tomorrow's problems tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

Where would this land 08.2015 graduating in 2033?

Again, worry about your kid learning long division, not your 4th graders future soccer career. They will be on their same team next fall. Worry about tomorrow's problems tomorrow.

You could have just said that you don’t know. I am not worried, just want to learn how would this work. Is it ok with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other sports handle the inter-state differences and red-shirting concerns by having a birthday band which plays with the class level. Across the country, official cutoffs vary from 7/31-10/15, with the vast majority at 9/1. So the default rule would be to play with class level. If born before 7/31 of the cutoff year, you play up from your class (capping redshirting). If you were born after a cutoff on the other end of the range, you may play down (deemed to have skipped a grade at school).

It may sound complex, but the practical effect is just to put people in their class level while providing some guard rails for extreme gaming or exceptions. Each class group has a ~15 month band, and if you fall in that band, you must play with class.

Where would this land 08.2015 graduating in 2033?

Again, worry about your kid learning long division, not your 4th graders future soccer career. They will be on their same team next fall. Worry about tomorrow's problems tomorrow.

You could have just said that you don’t know. I am not worried, just want to learn how would this work. Is it ok with you?

You aren't going to learn here because there's been no announcement other than the one DCUM parent who is obsessed with a no name X/Twitter account. Wait until there's actual information and then you can learn how it works

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

If my kid is a top 150 type player in the class of 2025 and I can hold him/her back to graduate in the class of 2026, they will likely be a top 50 type player and more highly regarded by top programs.

Why would you think that is the case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arghhhh - once again, this change does not have anything to do with red shirting! It moves the date for which birth year cohort you are in from Jan 1st to August 1st.

It has NOTHING to do with what grade you are in.

how are people not getting this? The birth year aligns to the same birth year schools use - that is the only similarity. school grade has absolutely NOTHING to do with the age group they'll play for club soccer.

So if you hold back your kid they will still play on the same club team but be in a younger school grade then their teammates and actually if people held back their kids, they might not actually have a club to play on their senior year unless that club and the league they play in has a u19 age group

[Anonymous]

Funny how the whole Redshirting issue has been dead since we moved to calendar birth year.