ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

[Anonymous]

Arghhhh - once again, this change does not have anything to do with red shirting! It moves the date for which birth year cohort you are in from Jan 1st to August 1st.

It has NOTHING to do with what grade you are in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arghhhh - once again, this change does not have anything to do with red shirting! It moves the date for which birth year cohort you are in from Jan 1st to August 1st.

It has NOTHING to do with what grade you are in.

I’m hearing on talking soccer they are going to grade not a cut off date bc they want to simply recruiting.

Also, I was simply replying to the pp about what documentation you need to red shirt. In some places it’s multiple assessments, in others it’s a form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

I have no concerns. My kid starts, rarely gets subbed and is on a great ECNL team. We aren’t targeting D1 or creating tapes. She’s the tallest and fastest on all her teams - including the ones where she’s more than a year younger. Owns her defending mid position. Zero concerns. She plays because she has fun.

I was simply highlighting the scope of the issue and the ease in which some players can gain more than a year of growth in certain areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

I have no concerns. My kid starts, rarely gets subbed and is on a great ECNL team. We aren’t targeting D1 or creating tapes. She’s the tallest and fastest on all her teams - including the ones where she’s more than a year younger. Owns her defending mid position. Zero concerns. She plays because she has fun.

I was simply highlighting the scope of the issue and the ease in which some players can gain more than a year of growth in certain areas.

Thanks for answering the question that wasn’t asked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

I have no concerns. My kid starts, rarely gets subbed and is on a great ECNL team. We aren’t targeting D1 or creating tapes. She’s the tallest and fastest on all her teams - including the ones where she’s more than a year younger. Owns her defending mid position. Zero concerns. She plays because she has fun.

I was simply highlighting the scope of the issue and the ease in which some players can gain more than a year of growth in certain areas.

you are part of the problem! You think because your kid is big and fast that they are the best. Those are not the best attributes to play soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

A PP not familiar with the process was asking if holding kids back was based on professional recommendations or parents just gambling because they fear their kid won't be able to perform well against their own age group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

Those 14 year olds playing against 12 year olds are being underdeveloped.
They won't be able to compete against true top performing 14 year olds

HS soccer has no bearing on development. The 14 year olds could be playing on a top team or they could be playing up for their club season and it would make perfect sense for the parents to hold the kid back a year to be an even bigger fish that has more options including reclassification and early enrollment into their natural school age.

College recruiting for soccer has nothing to do with HS soccer, so please explain the advantages in detail of being held back a grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often the pre-school teachers recommend some younger kids (usually boys) to do another year in pre-school if they think they are not mature enough for K.

Wonder what percentage of red-shirt are recommended by medical professionals versus parents who just want a perceived advantage

Our town in New England has an 17% red shirt rate. You just have to fill out a form indicating you want to hold your preschooler back. It’s the highest of our peer town group (based on size, income, budget). But almost all the other peer towns were over 10% too.

My daughter is an August kid entering 8th grade so still 12 and her town team (based on grade) had 4 14 year olds.

It is a lot more prevalent in wealthier towns/areas.

What’s the big concern with kids redshirting? Is it because your own kid no longer has the advantage? You are ok with some kids getting an advantage as long as it’s your kid? No matter which system is in place, there will always be some that it helps and others that it hurts. Ideally we would have one that is fair for the most

I have no concerns. My kid starts, rarely gets subbed and is on a great ECNL team. We aren’t targeting D1 or creating tapes. She’s the tallest and fastest on all her teams - including the ones where she’s more than a year younger. Owns her defending mid position. Zero concerns. She plays because she has fun.

I was simply highlighting the scope of the issue and the ease in which some players can gain more than a year of growth in certain areas.

Thanks for answering the question that wasn’t asked.

It was asked - are medical recommendations needed. The answer is not everywhere and there are places where it is abused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arghhhh - once again, this change does not have anything to do with red shirting! It moves the date for which birth year cohort you are in from Jan 1st to August 1st.

It has NOTHING to do with what grade you are in.

Is it August 1st or September 1st?

[Anonymous]

Has anyone confirmed that this change is happening? Like an actual real source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone confirmed that this change is happening? Like an actual real source.

i've heard through an ecnl club representative that it will happen.