Correct: that the US healthcare system sucks, and that some clinicians would rather blame their ill patients than look at their own involvement. If it were just me, as you seem to be implying, there wouldn't be multiple threads on the subject. But go off.
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There are millions of healthcare interactions a day. The numeric small minority that have decided the US healthcare system is a disaster making a few threads is statistically so far into the insignificant territory it’s like the head of a microscopic pin. |
I would never argue US healthcare is a disaster because as things go, it's pretty good to outright impressive in delivering high quality care. But it's also exploded in complexity in the last 20-30 years and now comes with an enormous bureaucracy that makes dealing with healthcare, once you have an issue, frustrating and byzantine. All bureaucracies are automatically defensive, protecting themselves and their entities rather than the people they ostensibly serve. Like all bureaucracies, it's staffed by generally not the brightest in society. Then add the dimension that you're dealing with people's own health and frailness. No wonder tempers can be high. |
Right. There are millions of these interactions, and if every patient who asked a question or was reasonably trying to sort out a problem was "fired," there would be no system. And yet some people experience nothing but obstruction and what they see as power-mad demigods providing healthcare, nothing but ogres as far as they can see -- and they keep experiencing this wherever they go, every clinic and every office. One person can start six threads, or sixteen, or sixty. Or a group of a half-dozen people of the kind most likely to open a thread called "Drs firing patients" might be more likely to post in it and follow up with alacrity. And then there are those millions of interactions that keep going on and on, and those people somehow, oddly, don't seem to have the same perspective. Quite inexplicable. |
Keep showing up to these threads to dump on them/their authors. On a long enough timeline, you'll encounter the problems we're trying to discuss. And no, I don't experience "nothing but obstruction" wherever I go. It just doesn't take many bad experiences to lose faith in a system that wasn't structurally sound to begin with. I had my last PCP for a decade and a half before they switched to a patient management program that made me an nameless file number and dehumanized my care for profit. It wasn't always this way, it is this way a lot more often now, and it's not likely to get any better because anytime someone says anything, they get denied and dismissed by both providers and some other patients who've yet to experience the same treatment and would rather victim blame than consider the possibility. It'll happen to you someday, despite how you seem to see yourself as a perfect patient (which you shouldn't have to be to receive high-quality care when you're sick/struggling/suffering). Hopefully soon, because you're becoming somewhat insufferable arguing other people's reality just because you haven't had their experiences (yet). Maybe see a psydoc about that? |
"It could suck more" is a thin blanket, but I agree with the rest of your comment. It works great until/unless it doesn't, and then recourse is practically non-existent. |
Do you really think physicians aren't patients? Don't have MS, or heart surgeries, or Crohn's disease? Don't have miscarriages, brain tumors, rare skin disorders? No wonder your rage blinds you. It's a horrible, horrible system. You -- or another PP posting alongside you -- was disdainful that doctors weren't unionizing and fixing it, but didn't have the faintest clue that this is prohibited by law. You are so focused on blame that you can't see what the problem really is, but you sure do want to get those kicks in on people who are tryign to help you. And then it's their fault for even wincing. Focus on the system. I *guarantee* I've spent more time than you as a critically ill and chronic care patient. This system SUCKS. Stop kicking people and vote to fix it. Turn that spotlight on the place it belongs, and actually do something. |
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I had a conversation recently with my doctor about being able to fire patients. We were discussing my anxiety about work due to being injured by a student. I was saying how it is virtually impossible to move physically aggressive students out of gen ed. She shared that even when she and other docs she knows have had patients scream at them, threaten to kill them, etc, the medical group will not allow them to fire the patient. This is despite the signs everywhere stating that aggressive behavior will not be tolerated.
I think anyone should be able to refuse service to someone who is threatening them or harming them or being overtly aggressive. This includes doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. |
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I've seen people accused of being aggressive who were just frustrated. They weren't being aggressive at all - their child was literally turning blue and no one was coming to help them.
There should be bodycams. |
Many phones have video options. |
Patients should not have to put up with arrogant doctors and incompetent staff. Not to mention excessive wait times. |
| I have significant health issues and we moved to an area that is a bit remote. There is no major medical facility and I was nervous about my care. Well I have met the most intelligent and caring medical professionals I have ever encountered. I feel so much safer than I ever have in my life. If love is the absence of ego, I have found professionals that love what they do. |
Many just accept there is nothing they can do and just roll with it. There comes a point when it's not worth the hassles to argue back. It's too stressful because the bureaucracy does have the power, not you, and there's nothing they can do about it. I'll give you an example of an ongoing situation. I am filing for reimbursement for certain services and have to go through an entity called Naviguard, who handles these reimbursements including negotiating with the provider, if they deem it necessary. I've received three messages from Naviguard assuring me they're going through the process and attempting to negotiate with the provider but it's taking longer than expected. After the third message today (third since early January) I called the provider only to be told they have no record of Naviguard trying to reach out to them. What am I to believe of any of the healthcare bureaucracies? It doesn't mean I don't think I'm not getting good care, but the system is definitely not what most people would find pleasant to deal with. We just accept that it'll be difficult. |
The system sucks. I'd attribute that primarily to the insurance industry making money hand over fist and which adds -- let's be clear about this -- absolutely nothing to your care. The insurance industry exists to make money off of illness, tragedy, and people with critical need and absolutely no leverage against them. |
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How has any insurance company ever improved your care? If your healthcare was covered, how much more willing would you be to change jobs? Take a leave if needed between jobs for your health, or to care for someone else? How much more likely would you or your children be to risk starting your own business? https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2023/01/13/unitedhealth-group-reports-47-billion-profit-as-optum-and-health-plans-maintain-momentum/ UnitedHealth Group Reports $4.7 Billion Profit As Optum And Health Plans Maintain Momentum https://www.beckerspayer.com/payer/the-house-always-wins-health-systems-face-worst-finances-in-decades-as-payers-rake-in-record-profits.html 'The house always wins': Insurers' record profits clash with hospitals' hardship https://penncapital-star.com/uncategorized/americans-suffer-when-health-insurers-place-profits-over-people/ Americans suffer when health insurers place profits over people
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