Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the atheists on this forum are campaigning for communism or state-mandated atheism.
And it is 81 percent now who believe in God. I bet it will be below 75 percent by 2030 and below 50 percent by 2050.
Religion can’t stand up to scrutiny and the fact is that more and more people are questioning its shibboleths, and with the internet people can come across different perspectives more easily than in the past.
We are enthralled by your factually devoid statements, and award you -1 for use of the word “shibboleths.”
People actually left New Atheism because of that reason- Dawkins could easily be debunked by simple research.
I’m giving PP a +10 on “shibboleth”. New word for me.
I learn so much from these atheist hater threads. New vocab words. Random atheist dudes. Religious people’s obsession with communism.
Anonymous wrote:My only conclusion is that fanatics have killed a lot more people than non-fanatics. A fanatic is “a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.”
Think that catches religious nuts and Communist ideologues.
Does your conclusion include any facts, statistics, or research that shows this to be true?
Or just your own opinion?
My extensive review of the literature (ie reading this thread) showed all of the examples of mass killings were perpetrated by fanatics of one code or the other.
In summary, like every other post, it is my opinion.
On another note, it can actually be proven that most mass killers had brown eyes, as did most communists AND most followers of religion. Reach your own conclusions, people.
Anonymous wrote:My only conclusion is that fanatics have killed a lot more people than non-fanatics. A fanatic is “a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.”
Think that catches religious nuts and Communist ideologues.
Does your conclusion include any facts, statistics, or research that shows this to be true?
Or just your own opinion?
My extensive review of the literature (ie reading this thread) showed all of the examples of mass killings were perpetrated by fanatics of one code or the other.
In summary, like every other post, it is my opinion.
On another note, it can actually be proven that most mass killers had brown eyes, as did most communists AND most followers of religion. Reach your own conclusions, people.
Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an old atheist. I have done a ton of reading on state-sponsored murder and I thought of all of us agreed that the collectivization of property under communism and other genocides, religious or not, were terrible.
Definitely old school. Now the redistribution of private property is good and necessary for equity.
Still has nothing to do with the fact that humans created the concept of god(s).
Atheists get prickly when you point out they are the biggest serial killers of thr 20th century.
What does that have to do with the OP?
Nothing. But none of these off-topic posts will get reported because of selective reporting.
Nobody liked your post about things being inserted into your body. Respect yourself, and the rights of others, to not be blasted by such a disgusting mental image.
I’ll get right on that as soon as the religious extremists start respecting my rights. And stop inserting themselves into my reproductive organs.
Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.
No.
It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.
Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.
I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.
Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.
It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.
Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.
No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.
People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.
I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.
He loves me- and you.
Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.
And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?
Men kill children, not God.
Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?
Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?
Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.
Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?
This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.
Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.
You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.
So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?
And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?
And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?
You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?
Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.
Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.
And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.
If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?
First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral
Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.
People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.
Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.
I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?
Are all atheists Secular Humanists?
Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?
So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?
Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.
That’s a pretty strong statement.
And pretty accurate.
Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.
I said "bad people", not "bad governments".
Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.
You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.
I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".
Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.
We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.
Repeating something doesn’t make it true.
I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.
If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.
Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.
Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.
You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?
The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??
DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).
Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.
Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.
So you are citing WWII as your source?
Those numbers are included in the stats on the infographic under Nazi Germany and fascism. Communism-atheism still killed more.
Every bubble that isn't communism counts toward killers who aren't atheists. You can take 10% off of those to account for other atheists.
It’s not individual killers, it’s their ideology.
Only a few countries had and have state mandated atheism- but those countries killed 100 million of their own citizens.
Democracy is on the infographic-it’s accounted for.
I'm talking about individual killers, not ideologies.
Most killers are religious. Apparently believing in the supernatural doesn't stop people from killing others.
You would have to admit that the vast majority of people have a belief in a God, and thus a higher percentage of people would be represented in every single crime demographic, because most people believe in something.
I’ve seen some very good information that shows that the majority of mass shooters are atheists. They are over represented in the demographic of mass shooters.
Again: nobody is claiming religious people don’t do bad things. They do. There’s more of them, compared to atheists.
It’s the complete denial by atheists that state mandated atheist governments killed 100 million of their own citizens, while absolutely denying that religion has had any positive effects in the world, that have soured people on New Atheism .
I don't really follow "New Atheists" as closely as you do. Are they pushing for mandated atheism?
Does anyone (OP?) know if those “New Atheist” dudes are actually pushing for mandated atheism?
Or is that off topic too?
I don't know, but check out the "Do Christmas Displays Make You Uncomfortable" thread, where a freak show at 15:26 on page 8 wrote "One they should not be offensive to people not of that faith and are inclusive. This they should be inspected to ensure that they meet code. Three these wasteful, garish displays need to be inspected to make sure they don’t cause harm to the environment either through their manufacture or use (as you are probably aware the lights can be very harmful to wildlife). Four displays out in the open need to be safely displayed so as not to cause unsafe distraction to motorists and pedestrians.
So yea we should adopt a legal permitting process and licensing."
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the atheists on this forum are campaigning for communism or state-mandated atheism.
And it is 81 percent now who believe in God. I bet it will be below 75 percent by 2030 and below 50 percent by 2050.
Religion can’t stand up to scrutiny and the fact is that more and more people are questioning its shibboleths, and with the internet people can come across different perspectives more easily than in the past.
We are enthralled by your factually devoid statements, and award you -1 for use of the word “shibboleths.”
People actually left New Atheism because of that reason- Dawkins could easily be debunked by simple research.
I’m giving PP a +10 on “shibboleth”. New word for me.
I learn so much from these atheist hater threads. New vocab words. Random atheist dudes. Religious people’s obsession with communism.
You didn't know "shibboleth"? That's a -10 for you, because that's a basic SAT word. Also the fact that you needed to learn about Dawkins and Hitchens from this thread, I mean, WTF? Or the fact that communists have killed a lot of people (no obsession needed, just somebody rebutting the mad atheist's fact-free assertions). Those last two are a -100 for you.
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the atheists on this forum are campaigning for communism or state-mandated atheism.
And it is 81 percent now who believe in God. I bet it will be below 75 percent by 2030 and below 50 percent by 2050.
Religion can’t stand up to scrutiny and the fact is that more and more people are questioning its shibboleths, and with the internet people can come across different perspectives more easily than in the past.
We are enthralled by your factually devoid statements, and award you -1 for use of the word “shibboleths.”
People actually left New Atheism because of that reason- Dawkins could easily be debunked by simple research.
I’m giving PP a +10 on “shibboleth”. New word for me.
I learn so much from these atheist hater threads. New vocab words. Random atheist dudes. Religious people’s obsession with communism.
You didn't know "shibboleth"? That's a -10 for you, because that's a basic SAT word. Also the fact that you needed to learn about Dawkins and Hitchens from this thread, I mean, WTF? Or the fact that communists have killed a lot of people (no obsession needed, just somebody rebutting the mad atheist's fact-free assertions). Those last two are a -100 for you.
Why would should I need to learn anything about those two random atheist guys in the first place?
(FTR, I learned about the on an earlier atheist hating thread).
Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.
No.
It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.
Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.
I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.
Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.
It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.
Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.
No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.
People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.
I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.
He loves me- and you.
Just like all of other supernatural forces who love me.
What other God claims to love all humanity?
I didn’t say anything about gods. I was thinking about other supernatural forces. Like those who can deliver presents to all kids around the world in a single night.
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the atheists on this forum are campaigning for communism or state-mandated atheism.
And it is 81 percent now who believe in God. I bet it will be below 75 percent by 2030 and below 50 percent by 2050.
Religion can’t stand up to scrutiny and the fact is that more and more people are questioning its shibboleths, and with the internet people can come across different perspectives more easily than in the past.
We are enthralled by your factually devoid statements, and award you -1 for use of the word “shibboleths.”
People actually left New Atheism because of that reason- Dawkins could easily be debunked by simple research.
I’m giving PP a +10 on “shibboleth”. New word for me.
I learn so much from these atheist hater threads. New vocab words. Random atheist dudes. Religious people’s obsession with communism.
You didn't know "shibboleth"? That's a -10 for you, because that's a basic SAT word. Also the fact that you needed to learn about Dawkins and Hitchens from this thread, I mean, WTF? Or the fact that communists have killed a lot of people (no obsession needed, just somebody rebutting the mad atheist's fact-free assertions). Those last two are a -100 for you.
Why would should I need to learn anything about those two random atheist guys in the first place?
(FTR, I learned about the on an earlier atheist hating thread).
NP who stopped believing about 30 years ago. I’m familiar with Hitchens because I read his columns on politics BITD and I think South Park had an episode making fun of Dawkins, but have never heard of the others. Most atheists don’t read up on atheism, old atheism or new atheism, or keep up on research what the current atheist thought leaders are thinking. Most atheists just… stop believing in god and are OK with that.
Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.
No.
It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.
Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.
I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.
Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.
It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.
Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.
No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.
People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.
I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.
He loves me- and you.
Just like all of other supernatural forces who love me.
What other God claims to love all humanity?
I didn’t say anything about gods. I was thinking about other supernatural forces. Like those who can deliver presents to all kids around the world in a single night.
You really should start charging Santa rent for all that space he takes up in your head.
Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.
No.
It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.
Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.
I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.
Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.
It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.
Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.
No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.
People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.
I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.
He loves me- and you.
Just like all of other supernatural forces who love me.
What other God claims to love all humanity?
I didn’t say anything about gods. I was thinking about other supernatural forces. Like those who can deliver presents to all kids around the world in a single night.
You really should start charging Santa rent for all that space he takes up in your head.
I love Santa - he is my fav supernatural character. Bonus, no one has killed millions of others in his name.
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