What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing I think many of the men asking this question fail to understand is that “femininity” is a construct and it’s performative. It’s technically incorrect to say that “women from this culture ARE more feminine than women from this culture.”

Rather it’s that women from country A have been taught and socialized into doing certain things - like waiting on men, doing all the manual labor in the house without complaining, speaking in a high soft voice, wearing heels and either modest clothes or revealing clothes, eating Last and eating less.” This isn’t feminine energy but rather being raised within an oppressive culture.

Women in the us have what you term “masculine energy “ because many of us either were not socialized into rigid gender norms or we rejected them because we have the agency and power to do them. And no amount of demanding that we dress like Mrs. Cleaver can bring us into line or conformity with your desires. This doesn’t make us losers but it kind of makes you one for failing to realize this.

And if you think taking away our rights is going to change this you’re wrong. You are backwards sad people with your commitment to regressive norms and practices.

What a sad view of femininity. Women’s femininity is one of our most powerful assets, if utilized correctly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mormons are cultists. Bunch of white people and they have communities far away where they have sex with minors and keep breeding and breeding. That's what these religions wants, babies, babies. Women are used

Wow. I was born and raised in the Mormon church and I never heard of these communities! Do tell me more! (Unless you're confusing the mainline Mormon church with fundamentalist offshoots, which you probably are)

DP. FLDS is still Mormon; arguably more so than the slightly watered down version with a pretty face that's presented to the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Responses in this thread are hilarious and Exhibit A of the Relentless FukTON of baggage that bitter American women of a certain class and politics carry around with them at all times.

“Hey, what is it that some guys like about women from other countries/cultures?”

“GAAaaaHh!! Patriarchy! Sex trafficker!! American men beat their wives and are ugly!!”

So wretchedly, self evidently unhappy with virtually every aspect of life.

That’s why “some men” like foreign women. They’re fun. They bang. They’re not full of venom and piss and vinegar just because men are men and women are women.

Exhibit 21 for "no loss," right there.

Go for it. Go have fun with your life and be happy with the women you want to have. How is this bad for anyone?

[Anonymous]

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I think American women, the wealthier and the more educated they are, impose too many rules and regulations on themselves. The rules are stiffening, and those who don’t follow those ever-multiplying rules are getting judged by fellow women.

You mean the hillbilly women who votes for trump? There's stats that say most educated American women are Democrats and the less educated American women are Republicans

Look it up

And this is another reason to date foreign women. They aren't into politics and therefore can think more critically. It's painful listening to a never ending lists if grievances. We want someone fun who puts out.

Nah, it’s a reason not to date inside the beltway. It’s really not the same in other parts of the US

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

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But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing I think many of the men asking this question fail to understand is that “femininity” is a construct and it’s performative. It’s technically incorrect to say that “women from this culture ARE more feminine than women from this culture.”

Rather it’s that women from country A have been taught and socialized into doing certain things - like waiting on men, doing all the manual labor in the house without complaining, speaking in a high soft voice, wearing heels and either modest clothes or revealing clothes, eating Last and eating less.” This isn’t feminine energy but rather being raised within an oppressive culture.

Women in the us have what you term “masculine energy “ because many of us either were not socialized into rigid gender norms or we rejected them because we have the agency and power to do them. And no amount of demanding that we dress like Mrs. Cleaver can bring us into line or conformity with your desires. This doesn’t make us losers but it kind of makes you one for failing to realize this.

And if you think taking away our rights is going to change this you’re wrong. You are backwards sad people with your commitment to regressive norms and practices.

+1. OP asked what we can learn from foreign women and American women respond that they don’t want to be like foreign women. Even if that means some men don’t like us, we don’t care. Then they say we’re bitter. No we’re really fricken happy that we get to have opinions and express them. That we are aggressive enough to out earn men and no longer hold our well-being being tied to them. And we can eat and grow larger as we age or we can build muscles and be strong AF. Yeah America 2023!

OP really meant what do men want American women to emulate from foreign women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mormons are cultists. Bunch of white people and they have communities far away where they have sex with minors and keep breeding and breeding. That's what these religions wants, babies, babies. Women are used

Wow. I was born and raised in the Mormon church and I never heard of these communities! Do tell me more! (Unless you're confusing the mainline Mormon church with fundamentalist offshoots, which you probably are)

DP. FLDS is still Mormon; arguably more so than the slightly watered down version with a pretty face that's presented to the public.

Perhaps, but it's still worth distinguishing between fundamentalist offshoots and the main branch of the church. The difference matters even in this inane conversation. Unlike LDS women in Salt Lake, FLDS women don't try to be as attractive as Eastern European women and as a general matter FLDS husbands are much less respectful.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

💯

But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

Acting femine is a construct of a time period where women were subservient to men. If being feminine was so great, why aren’t more men trying to be more feminine.

[Anonymous]

What this comment shows is a commitment to a view called Gender essentialism- which argues that men are one way organically (I.e. decisive, rational) and women are another way ( I.e. docile, peace loving, more compromising). This is a really outdated view that was used in the 1950s and 1960s to argue that women could never be army generals or president, etc. The main issue with this view is that it conflates all women together ( all women are this way) and it kind of awards all the good and fun qualities to men and essentially describes female qualities as second clas or those belonging to broken men ( ie men are rational and women are emotional).

It limits and hurts everyone to simplify this world in such a way that women are assumed not to be good at math and science, business leadership etc. It also hurts men by saying that they are not relational and good at social work etc.

It doesn’t make anyone a joyless harridan to point out how limiting this is. And it’s asinine to say that women should embrace their “femininity” and not pursue occupations like medicine. Get back on your dinosaur and go back to your cave.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

💯

But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

Acting femine is a construct of a time period where women were subservient to men. If being feminine was so great, why aren’t more men trying to be more feminine.

Because women can't stand feminine men and men want to get laid. It's not that hard. The common denominator is women and their selective adoption of and adaptation to gender norms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What this comment shows is a commitment to a view called Gender essentialism- which argues that men are one way organically (I.e. decisive, rational) and women are another way ( I.e. docile, peace loving, more compromising). This is a really outdated view that was used in the 1950s and 1960s to argue that women could never be army generals or president, etc. The main issue with this view is that it conflates all women together ( all women are this way) and it kind of awards all the good and fun qualities to men and essentially describes female qualities as second clas or those belonging to broken men ( ie men are rational and women are emotional).

It limits and hurts everyone to simplify this world in such a way that women are assumed not to be good at math and science, business leadership etc. It also hurts men by saying that they are not relational and good at social work etc.

It doesn’t make anyone a joyless harridan to point out how limiting this is. And it’s asinine to say that women should embrace their “femininity” and not pursue occupations like medicine. Get back on your dinosaur and go back to your cave.

Nothing wrong with identifying trends and patterns, even if they do not apply to every member of a group.

I'm sure you are up in arms with all of the articles in HBR and Forbes claiming how "women are more empathetic" and that makes them better business leaders. Oh, the harm!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

💯

But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

Acting femine is a construct of a time period where women were subservient to men. If being feminine was so great, why aren’t more men trying to be more feminine.

And you think masculinity is natural?

The reason nobody endeavors to behave femininely is because we devalue women and their qualities as a matter of fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

💯

But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

Acting femine is a construct of a time period where women were subservient to men. If being feminine was so great, why aren’t more men trying to be more feminine.

Because women can't stand feminine men and men want to get laid. It's not that hard. The common denominator is women and their selective adoption of and adaptation to gender norms.

This is what men tell themselves and it's so funny. They go to the gym and get all muscular thinking *that* is what is really going to turn women on, while so many women are trying to convince themselves that the emotional, skinny singer-songwriter will not actually make a good life partner because they aren't responsible enough to be a good dad.

[Anonymous]

American women are this way because of American men. And so then the men go outside the country looking for something better.

/Foreign-born woman

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

You talking about a century ago when American women were more tolerable? I thought we were talking about present day women.

American women have way too much masculine energy. Very unappealing. And they're not even aware of it.

The wording might be offensive but this is probably the stereotypical impression that foreign men have of American women.
Not everyone obviously, but on average they seem to have more masculine energy (loud, talkative, opinionated, assertive, demanding, intimidating, big) compared to foreign women.

💯

But this is a good thing for women and American society. Women should not want to mold themselves into the male ideal if they end up quiet, docile, neutral beings with only their caretaking and sexual appeal to offer. How does that help women advance and secure their own place in society? That only helps men.

But why should women pretend to be/act like men in order to be respected and taken seriously. Women in America think we’ve won, but instead we still have to subjugate those feminine parts of ourselves. That’s not winning. The expectation here is that both men and women kowtow to patriarchal ideals like toughness, decisiveness, boldness etc - but we still hold traditionally feminine values and behaviors in low regard. Surely you see how sexist and misogynistic THAT is.

Femininity can't be decisive or bold? It has to be cloying, indirect, and simpering? Maybe you need to rethink what you believe "feminine" means.

There aren't other females of other species that act this way in the animal kingdom. That's pretty warped.