Winning independent suburban women

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

That's fair enough, but when I hear the voting messages targeted at women, they don't match my concerns. I have kids that I need to take care of, and most women's voting messages are for women who need an abortion. That's only true of some women, some of the time, maybe once in their life. The rest of the time, we have family and career lives to lead. No one is talking about education. Only the right is talking about safe neighborhoods for kids to ride bikes.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

We all know many women that have had an abortion wether we know about it or not. Criminalizing so many women we know and love and depend on in our communities is threatening and millions of voters vote to resist that.

[Anonymous]

whether* we know about it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of issues that used to be mostly non-partisan - job growth, education, health care, libraries, parks, basic municipal and county services, small business support, elder care services, public infrastructure, public transportation, and other general quality of life issues where both parties agreed on and cooperated on about 90 percent of the programs and projects and disputed the 10 percent disagreement in good-faith political, legislative, and administrative processes. Now Republicans demagogue and obstruct and make every single program, project, or policy a polarizing partisan issue. It’s delusional gaslighting on everything all the time. Who even are “independent” suburban women and how can they be independent while Republicans are pushing delusional authoritarianism?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

The right forced this issue into a crisis. They have tried to manipulate voters with this issue for decades. Women were protected by roe for almost 50 years until the right destroyed that.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

The right forced this issue into a crisis. They have tried to manipulate voters with this issue for decades. Women were protected by roe for almost 50 years until the right destroyed that.

That's a perspective. But for many women, there are other very real issues in addition to abortion that are being ignored. It's unrealistic and also unnecessary for women to be expected to ignore all their other needs for one issue that may not affect them. Women have complex lives with lots of needs and responsibilities, and for many, abortion isn't the only issue on the table, or the most urgent need.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

The right forced this issue into a crisis. They have tried to manipulate voters with this issue for decades. Women were protected by roe for almost 50 years until the right destroyed that.

That's a perspective. But for many women, there are other very real issues in addition to abortion that are being ignored. It's unrealistic and also unnecessary for women to be expected to ignore all their other needs for one issue that may not affect them. Women have complex lives with lots of needs and responsibilities, and for many, abortion isn't the only issue on the table, or the most urgent need.

That is fine. But many is not most and god willing, most is what will decide this in our democracy. The evidence so far is that fighting back against the destruction of Roe is a powerful issue for a majority of voters out here at this point. There is always a minority vote out here as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

Respectfully, no, women broadly support choice. That’s a fact, not a silo.

And, respectfully, if the GOP continues to have their way with women’s rights - “reduced to one, reproductive issue” - you aren’t going to be living a full life. You think that you’ll be respected as a human when the GOP reduces you to the contents of your uterus? And yes, I see your pro choice. It’s funny that you don’t understand that bodily autonomy is liberty and not some niche issue them wimmin libbers invented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

You want your daughter to be forced to carry a pregnancy that could kill her, or that resulted from rape, or where the baby will die shortly after birth? Because that's the deal. And if you want to be able to live a full life with multiple concerns, then you do have to actually be alive. And not traumatized to the extent that you can't otherwise function.

And putting that at the top of your list doesn't mean the other things get ignored.

I fear that people like you really aren't going to get it until the pharmacist says you can't have your birth control (or other medication) or you get thrown in jail for taking your daughter across state lines for an abortion. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

You say not all women vote alike, which is true; but then you try to lump us into two bright line categories, which, btw, do not match the women I know.

Agree. The abortion issue is motivating older married women who are not interested in denying the rights, that they held, to their children.

Absolutely, all the politically active middle age women I know are very invested in the next generations having control over their own bodies.

Respectfully, that is a reflection of the social network you have built, not a reflection of how a large portion of married women view things. I'm pro-choice, but not to the extent that is being pushed (eg, I am not in favor of total deregulation). And, I have daily concerns like crime and education. It's really not fair to say that women should be reduced to one, reproductive issue while other demographics are seen as living full lives with multiple concerns.

The right forced this issue into a crisis. They have tried to manipulate voters with this issue for decades. Women were protected by roe for almost 50 years until the right destroyed that.

That's a perspective. But for many women, there are other very real issues in addition to abortion that are being ignored. It's unrealistic and also unnecessary for women to be expected to ignore all their other needs for one issue that may not affect them. Women have complex lives with lots of needs and responsibilities, and for many, abortion isn't the only issue on the table, or the most urgent need.

It's kind of like fire insurance. You don't think about it until you need it and then you better have paid your premiums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hot take: women don't all vote alike. Married women tend to be more conservative, and younger or single/divorced women tend to be liberal. As a married woman with children, my interests are much more like a man's in that I'm primarily concerned with the economy, crime, national security, and education. Single women appear to be extremely focused on abortion, to the point that it eclipses all other concerns. I don't think it makes sense for politicians to court women as a monolithic voting block.

Exactly. I am an older married woman who cares about many issues. Never had an abortion, but limited access to abortion hits deep down. How do you prove you were raped in order to receive a timely abortion? I could get behind a 27 week ban, but what if one develops a life threatening situation at 28 weeks and delivery is the only option? Would that be allowed or need to be scrutinized?

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Women need to shut their pie-holes and vote Republican, like their man told them to.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

Bullshit. "No Labels" is a rightwing con, an attempt to install Republican nominee Trump as (permanent?) President. Pick a side: pick the least-bad side.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.