Delta airlines serves man 11 drinks; sexual assault of mom and teen daughter follows.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have bitten his fingers off he did that to my daughter.

I would have punched him in the face.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I'm sure everyone on here saying it's just ok to paw this girl would be just fine with some random drunk middle aged guy grabbing their underage daughter.

Yup. Hypocrites or perverts.

Perverts are definitely on this site.

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Anonymous wrote:Not saying what happened was ok but it sounds like there was verbal harassment and some inappropriate touching. Not ok but for the love of God can we stop calling everything “assault” now? It’s out of control.

Also step one for mom should have been to sit between drunk perv and her teenage daughter. It’s shocking that she apparently didn’t do that.

Assault is the reasonable fear of imminent harm. A man touching a girl’s bra strap under her shirt, saying scary things, and touching a woman’s thigh all constitute assault.

Getting pawed by a drunk guy is obnoxious and, for this girl, panic-inducing. But not $2m worth. Or worth firing the flight attendants.

The airline isn’t getting sued because this passenger allegedly groped other passengers. The flight attendants wouldn’t be fired because a passenger allegedly groped other passengers. The issues stem from the flight attendants allegedly doing absolutely *nothing* to assist passengers who were harassed for hours and, eventually, physically assaulted. They allegedly allowed this to go on without any consequences, and that is why the airline is subject to a lawsuit and they are potentially subject to termination.

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Anonymous wrote:So hear me out - Isn't the typical drinking recommendations no more than 1 per hour? Would 8-9 drinks spread out over 9 hours be that detrimental? As long as they are spread out it doesnt seem like it would be that bad. 9 in the first hour, well, I dont know how the flight attendants would even keep up but obviously that would be quite bad for anyone.
(yes I'm aware the post is about 11 drinks)

I don’t think anyone is saying that you can drink up to 24 drinks a day so long as you stay up all night. I think I’ve heard one per hour up to 3 drinks for a normal sized person. A really large man could probably go to five assuming it was spread out and he was also eating. I think being on an airplane also affects the metabolism of the alcohol although I can’t explain why — but people definitely get drunk faster on a flight.

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Anonymous wrote:So hear me out - Isn't the typical drinking recommendations no more than 1 per hour? Would 8-9 drinks spread out over 9 hours be that detrimental? As long as they are spread out it doesnt seem like it would be that bad. 9 in the first hour, well, I dont know how the flight attendants would even keep up but obviously that would be quite bad for anyone.
(yes I'm aware the post is about 11 drinks)

I don’t think anyone is saying that you can drink up to 24 drinks a day so long as you stay up all night. I think I’ve heard one per hour up to 3 drinks for a normal sized person. A really large man could probably go to five assuming it was spread out and he was also eating. I think being on an airplane also affects the metabolism of the alcohol although I can’t explain why — but people definitely get drunk faster on a flight.

Thank you for the very polite response to my weird question! I just looked it up, and apparently you do indeed feel drunker in the air (I didnt know that).

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Delta is an awful airline. I am not surprised to learn all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have bitten his fingers off he did that to my daughter.

I would have punched him in the face.

I would certainly have switched seats with my daughter immediately - why did the mom let her daughter sit next to this creep for so long? Not that any of this is their fault, but the very first thing I would have done is placed myself between the creep and my daughter.

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I only read a few pages of this, but there must be missing facts. Like, I am sure the morher was complaining, but is it possible she announced she and her daughter were sexually assaulted and the flight attendants said, “be patient.”. Seems highly doubtful. The attendants probably thought the drunk guy kept verbally harassing them and while annoying, that usually isn’t a reason to put someone in restraints.

This also makes me wonder - what are flight attendants supposed to do in similar situations? Say a passenger punches another passenger (something clearly seen by all). What do they do with the assaulter? They can’t ask another passenger to switch to sot near the assaulter. There must be some protocol.

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Anonymous wrote:Not saying what happened was ok but it sounds like there was verbal harassment and some inappropriate touching. Not ok but for the love of God can we stop calling everything “assault” now? It’s out of control.

Also step one for mom should have been to sit between drunk perv and her teenage daughter. It’s shocking that she apparently didn’t do that.

Assault is the reasonable fear of imminent harm. A man touching a girl’s bra strap under her shirt, saying scary things, and touching a woman’s thigh all constitute assault.

FFS now it’s just FEAR?! When words mean everything, they mean nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I'm sure everyone on here saying it's just ok to paw this girl would be just fine with some random drunk middle aged guy grabbing their underage daughter.

Please quote the posts saying what this man did was ok. I can’t seem to find them.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

They need to be fired. The reason they did not interfere is that they were probably scared for their own safety, and probably thought a ton of alcohol would make him go to sleep. Flight attendants are routinely harassed. It does not excuse their neglect of passengers, obviously! But, it explains why they did what they did. The result shows that they do not belong in the skies.

They sat back and allowed a minor to be assaulted. They should be sitting in Rikers considering their actions

Are you always this absurdly melodramatic, or only on DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

There were lots of things they could have done. Cut off the drinks. Restrain him. Move him to a jump seat in the back of the plane. Ask for volunteers. People have been restrained for less.

I agree with the bolded. But your response doesn't address the question I asked that you quoted. How should the crew have "found passengers to switch" without asking/coercing them to be new potential victims?

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a young teen and her mom who are looking for a passenger(s) to swith seats with them. If you are willing to switch seats, please press your 'call attendant' light and a flight attendant will explain further".
And I think many flight attendants have coupons they can give people towards future flights, as a reward for the kind people who might take this seat. Preferably two huge lineback types.

"Oh hello ma'am. Thank you for pressing your call button. You see, there's a teen back there that has been assaulted verbally, physically, and sexually by the stranger sitting next to her. When her mother tried to intervene, the stranger assaulted her as well. Would you like to volunteer to sit next to this man and also be one of his potential victims?"

Why not specify that they are looking for male passengers to switch seats with the passengers? One presumes that the drunk was not as likely to try to assault a male passenger. You never know, he could be a vicious drunk that bats for both sides, but that's less likely.

That’s really not good enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

There were lots of things they could have done. Cut off the drinks. Restrain him. Move him to a jump seat in the back of the plane. Ask for volunteers. People have been restrained for less.

I agree with the bolded. But your response doesn't address the question I asked that you quoted. How should the crew have "found passengers to switch" without asking/coercing them to be new potential victims?

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a young teen and her mom who are looking for a passenger(s) to swith seats with them. If you are willing to switch seats, please press your 'call attendant' light and a flight attendant will explain further".
And I think many flight attendants have coupons they can give people towards future flights, as a reward for the kind people who might take this seat. Preferably two huge lineback types.

"Oh hello ma'am. Thank you for pressing your call button. You see, there's a teen back there that has been assaulted verbally, physically, and sexually by the stranger sitting next to her. When her mother tried to intervene, the stranger assaulted her as well. Would you like to volunteer to sit next to this man and also be one of his potential victims?"

Seems like a good way to get a him beaten to death by fellow passengers

Good riddance.

Awww, I bet that felt super duper good to type, didn’t it? Internet tough guy/gal.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

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I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Ohhhhh, we’re all soooooo impressed. Buffoon.