Delta airlines serves man 11 drinks; sexual assault of mom and teen daughter follows.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

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I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

I am having a hard time with this story and that the Mother did not remove her daughter from sitting next to this man at the very very very bare minimum just does not sound right at all. Something is not right here.

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If there really was this much loudness and harassment going on, certainly someone nearby would’ve quick started recording.

+3. The whole story doesn’t pass the sniff test.

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Anonymous wrote:Plaintiffs can put anything in a complaint. We’ll just have to wait and see but it is wild to me that so many people start making judgments based on the allegations as if they’re actual established facts.

Make sure you keep this energy for the next MeToo.

Oh, you’re one of THOSE. Explains everything.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

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I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

The mom was already in the middle sear, which is clear from the write up. It says the guy reached over her to get to the kid.

Well, at some point the teen was next to the man, apparently in the middle seat.

When the teen’s mother informed the intoxicated man that her daughter was a minor, he drew attention from other passengers when he said that he did not care and proceeded to reach over the 16-year-old to grab at the mother’s arm, the complaint states.

I wish I could see the lawsuit, because the article says that the women then told the flight attendants that the man was making them feel unsafe. Why didn't the mother tell them that he had grabbed her arm?

The People article goes on to state:

The filing states that the “terrified” teen began to have a panic attack, putting her head in her mother’s lap, when the man “frightened” her by putting his “clammy fingers” underneath her shirt and touching the clasp on her bra strap.

That's when the teen jumped out of her seat. It's not clear where she was sitting at the time, but there's no mention of changing seats. It sounds like the teen was still in the middle, next to the man, but leaning toward her mother when he touched her. But then again, who knows, because it says the man then reached over to touch the mother's leg. So he reached over the empty seat? If the mother was between the man and her daughter, does that mean that the daughter was leaning toward the man?

If these allegations are true, Delta should pay. Regardless of the assault, I think they should be responsible for overserving alcohol and allowing passengers to be verbally abused by another passenger. However, I agree with the others that something feels off about these factual allegations.

PP here. I found another article which sets:

"Minutes later, the lawsuit said the girl jumped from her seat when she felt the man's hand on her back beneath her shirt, touching the strap of her bra. The man then reached across the open seat and put his hand on the thigh of the girl's mother, the lawsuit stated."

So the girl continued to sit between the man and her mother even though he was asking her inappropriate questions and was belligerent and intoxicated. Again, not saying suggesting that these women deserved to be assaulted (if the allegations are true), but it is extremely odd that the mother would allow her daughter to continue to sit next to the man, given the circumstances. Why?

Does Delta allow you to sit wherever?

They don't allow you to sit wherever, but you can certainly swap seats, so long as both parties agree. People in the same travel party swap between seats all the time. It's an odd detail if the mother didn't swap seats sooner. The first time I read it, I assumed she was in the middle seat through most of the conflict.

If the father was also on the flight seated somewhere else, then the daughter could have changed seats with him. But she didn't.

There’s exactly ZERO indication that the girl’s father was on that Delta flight. Try again.

Not zero. Someone upthread said he was also on the plane. Which, if that was the case, is a big problem for the mother and daughter's story.

I don’t see how that change is a single fact in this case.

Then you aren’t very bright. Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:Plaintiffs can put anything in a complaint. We’ll just have to wait and see but it is wild to me that so many people start making judgments based on the allegations as if they’re actual established facts.

Make sure you keep this energy for the next MeToo.

Oh, you’re one of THOSE. Explains everything.

Your response does.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

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I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

The mom was already in the middle sear, which is clear from the write up. It says the guy reached over her to get to the kid.

Well, at some point the teen was next to the man, apparently in the middle seat.

When the teen’s mother informed the intoxicated man that her daughter was a minor, he drew attention from other passengers when he said that he did not care and proceeded to reach over the 16-year-old to grab at the mother’s arm, the complaint states.

I wish I could see the lawsuit, because the article says that the women then told the flight attendants that the man was making them feel unsafe. Why didn't the mother tell them that he had grabbed her arm?

The People article goes on to state:

The filing states that the “terrified” teen began to have a panic attack, putting her head in her mother’s lap, when the man “frightened” her by putting his “clammy fingers” underneath her shirt and touching the clasp on her bra strap.

That's when the teen jumped out of her seat. It's not clear where she was sitting at the time, but there's no mention of changing seats. It sounds like the teen was still in the middle, next to the man, but leaning toward her mother when he touched her. But then again, who knows, because it says the man then reached over to touch the mother's leg. So he reached over the empty seat? If the mother was between the man and her daughter, does that mean that the daughter was leaning toward the man?

If these allegations are true, Delta should pay. Regardless of the assault, I think they should be responsible for overserving alcohol and allowing passengers to be verbally abused by another passenger. However, I agree with the others that something feels off about these factual allegations.

PP here. I found another article which sets:

"Minutes later, the lawsuit said the girl jumped from her seat when she felt the man's hand on her back beneath her shirt, touching the strap of her bra. The man then reached across the open seat and put his hand on the thigh of the girl's mother, the lawsuit stated."

So the girl continued to sit between the man and her mother even though he was asking her inappropriate questions and was belligerent and intoxicated. Again, not saying suggesting that these women deserved to be assaulted (if the allegations are true), but it is extremely odd that the mother would allow her daughter to continue to sit next to the man, given the circumstances. Why?

Does Delta allow you to sit wherever?

They don't allow you to sit wherever, but you can certainly swap seats, so long as both parties agree. People in the same travel party swap between seats all the time. It's an odd detail if the mother didn't swap seats sooner. The first time I read it, I assumed she was in the middle seat through most of the conflict.

If the father was also on the flight seated somewhere else, then the daughter could have changed seats with him. But she didn't.

There’s exactly ZERO indication that the girl’s father was on that Delta flight. Try again.

Not zero. Someone upthread said he was also on the plane. Which, if that was the case, is a big problem for the mother and daughter's story.

I don’t see how that change is a single fact in this case.

Then you aren’t very bright. Shrug.

Facts are hard for you. We know.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

+1
I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

I am having a hard time with this story and that the Mother did not remove her daughter from sitting next to this man at the very very very bare minimum just does not sound right at all. Something is not right here.

+1

Yep.

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If there really was this much loudness and harassment going on, certainly someone nearby would’ve quick started recording.

+3. The whole story doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Flights from JFK to Athens depart at 3PM and 8PM and arrive in the early morning or early afternoon. That means for at least half the flight the cabin lights are dimmed and everyone tries to get some sleep. Assuming they were in the 3PM flight, that’d give the guy plenty of time to get sauced up by the dinner service, and then it’s lights out until breakfast.

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Are there any other witnesses or documentation. Why are they trying to get money and not pressing for criminal charges?

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Delta's PR team is having a very bad week. This time an unruly passenger attacked a flig...ped in to intervene.

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Anonymous wrote:Not saying what happened was ok but it sounds like there was verbal harassment and some inappropriate touching. Not ok but for the love of God can we stop calling everything “assault” now? It’s out of control.

Also step one for mom should have been to sit between drunk perv and her teenage daughter. It’s shocking that she apparently didn’t do that.

Assault is the reasonable fear of imminent harm. A man touching a girl’s bra strap under her shirt, saying scary things, and touching a woman’s thigh all constitute assault.

FFS now it’s just FEAR?! When words mean everything, they mean nothing.

You must be new to legal terminology? Here is a lengthier definition: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault#:~:te...offensive%20contact.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

+1
I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

I am having a hard time with this story and that the Mother did not remove her daughter from sitting next to this man at the very very very bare minimum just does not sound right at all. Something is not right here.

+1

Yep.

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If there really was this much loudness and harassment going on, certainly someone nearby would’ve quick started recording.

+3. The whole story doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Flights from JFK to Athens depart at 3PM and 8PM and arrive in the early morning or early afternoon. That means for at least half the flight the cabin lights are dimmed and everyone tries to get some sleep. Assuming they were in the 3PM flight, that’d give the guy plenty of time to get sauced up by the dinner service, and then it’s lights out until breakfast.

And most people now wear noise cancelling headphones and eye shades for red eyes so all the people saying “people would have noticed” are full of it. I read the story that he was verbally harassing her for a while but the physical harassment was just at the very end and some nice guy traded seats with her fairly soon after that. So the mom must have escalated things quickly after the inappropriate touching. But it should not have got to that point. I’m not a teetotaler but I think it’s ridiculous that anyone gets more than 3 drinks on a flight. And if they seem drunk, the number should be zero.

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This story is insane on so many levels. Was there not another man on the flight? I would have beat this guy's ass within an inch of his life.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

+1
I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

I am having a hard time with this story and that the Mother did not remove her daughter from sitting next to this man at the very very very bare minimum just does not sound right at all. Something is not right here.

+1

Yep.

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If there really was this much loudness and harassment going on, certainly someone nearby would’ve quick started recording.

+3. The whole story doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Flights from JFK to Athens depart at 3PM and 8PM and arrive in the early morning or early afternoon. That means for at least half the flight the cabin lights are dimmed and everyone tries to get some sleep. Assuming they were in the 3PM flight, that’d give the guy plenty of time to get sauced up by the dinner service, and then it’s lights out until breakfast.

And most people now wear noise cancelling headphones and eye shades for red eyes so all the people saying “people would have noticed” are full of it. I read the story that he was verbally harassing her for a while but the physical harassment was just at the very end and some nice guy traded seats with her fairly soon after that. So the mom must have escalated things quickly after the inappropriate touching. But it should not have got to that point. I’m not a teetotaler but I think it’s ridiculous that anyone gets more than 3 drinks on a flight. And if they seem drunk, the number should be zero.

Not on the recent overnight transatlantic flights I've been on. I've flown from the US to Europe three times in the past 24 months and each time, the cabin was full of folks watching TV and movies and reading. I didn't see a ton of eye shades either. But your mileage may vary.

I'm with the PPs who think this allegation doesn't pass the smell test. Folks will sue major corporate entities all of the time. It doesn't make their suits legitimate, though. I'm sure this board will be keeping up with the progress.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.

He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt) while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would completely go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence.

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too.

+1
I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen. No one recommends attacking sexual predators. You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.)

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it.
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all.

Try it and find out.

Okay tough guy. 🙄

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert.

I am having a hard time with this story and that the Mother did not remove her daughter from sitting next to this man at the very very very bare minimum just does not sound right at all. Something is not right here.

+1

Yep.

+2
If there really was this much loudness and harassment going on, certainly someone nearby would’ve quick started recording.

+3. The whole story doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Flights from JFK to Athens depart at 3PM and 8PM and arrive in the early morning or early afternoon. That means for at least half the flight the cabin lights are dimmed and everyone tries to get some sleep. Assuming they were in the 3PM flight, that’d give the guy plenty of time to get sauced up by the dinner service, and then it’s lights out until breakfast.

And most people now wear noise cancelling headphones and eye shades for red eyes so all the people saying “people would have noticed” are full of it. I read the story that he was verbally harassing her for a while but the physical harassment was just at the very end and some nice guy traded seats with her fairly soon after that. So the mom must have escalated things quickly after the inappropriate touching. But it should not have got to that point. I’m not a teetotaler but I think it’s ridiculous that anyone gets more than 3 drinks on a flight. And if they seem drunk, the number should be zero.

Not on the recent overnight transatlantic flights I've been on. I've flown from the US to Europe three times in the past 24 months and each time, the cabin was full of folks watching TV and movies and reading. I didn't see a ton of eye shades either. But your mileage may vary.

I'm with the PPs who think this allegation doesn't pass the smell test. Folks will sue major corporate entities all of the time. It doesn't make their suits legitimate, though. I'm sure this board will be keeping up with the progress.

Agree with this. And even if on most overnight flights people check out, in this case the flight attendant would have come by eleven times to give the guy drinks and the mom had been complaining to the flight attendant. That’s enough constant titter tatter, talking and commotion that people would have noticed. And it’s not business class where people zonk out in their pods. In economy, you’re right on top of each other and would notice this - even if a lot of people were in theory trying to sleep.

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There was at least one passenger who noticed and switched seats - the fact that no one video taped the incident doesn't mean they are lying and the post doesn't say they didn't file a police report it is silent - how do you know they didn't try and the fbi etc said they didn't have jurisdiction because the guy is in Greece. I can see if you want to say you need more info but to accuse them of lying seems a leap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was at least one passenger who noticed and switched seats - the fact that no one video taped the incident doesn't mean they are lying and the post doesn't say they didn't file a police report it is silent - how do you know they didn't try and the fbi etc said they didn't have jurisdiction because the guy is in Greece. I can see if you want to say you need more info but to accuse them of lying seems a leap.

It's not accusing them of lying to say that they seem to be overstating/exaggerating...