FCPS High School Poverty and Enrollment

Anonymous
Is IB some kind of European thing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lewis took the lead in F/R lunch this past school year (2022-2023), jumping past a couple of other schools and now the only school to be over 60%. Langley continues to be an outlier at the low end. All data from FCPS.edu.

School F/R%
Langley 3.97% (+0.86)
Thomas Jefferson 10.30% (+8.03)
McLean 12.32% (+2.31)
Madison 12.70% (+4.32)
Woodson 13.29% (+0.42)
Oakton 14.53% (+3.62)
Robinson 14.83% (+2.86)
West Springfield 17.07% (+2.24)
Lake Braddock 19.68% (+4.57)
Chantilly 20.48% (+3.84)
Marshall 22.56% (+4.96)
South County 23.31% (+2.74)
Hayfield 30.37% (+2.12)---- Median
South Lakes 31.39% (+4.32)
Westfield 32.97% (+6.30)
Fairfax 33.36% (+7.87)
Centreville 33.53% (+5.62)
Edison 37.92% (+1.38)
West Potomac 46.83% (+7.73)
Herndon 48.58% (+6.44)
Annandale 55.33% (-2.56)
Justice 56.80% (-1.86)
Falls Church 58.78% (+9.63)
Mount Vernon 59.82% (+8.42)
Lewis 62.78% (+9.14)

The two poorest schools are also the two smallest by enrollment - Lewis and Mount Vernon. Lewis is an outlier being well below all the other schools and 630 students below the median.

School Enrollment
LEWIS HIGH 1690
MOUNT VERNON HIGH 1934
JEFFERSON SCI/TECH HIGH 1952
FALLS CHURCH HIGH 2067
LANGLEY HIGH 2093
MARSHALL HIGH 2145
MADISON HIGH 2149
ANNANDALE HIGH 2158
HAYFIELD HIGH 2160
SOUTH COUNTY HIGH 2244
EDISON HIGH 2247
JUSTICE HIGH 2280
FAIRFAX HIGH 2320 ---- Median
HERNDON HIGH 2328
MCLEAN HIGH 2436
WOODSON HIGH 2453
SOUTH LAKES HIGH 2507
ROBINSON HIGH 2528
CENTREVILLE HIGH 2556
WESTFIELD HIGH 2657
WEST SPRINGFIELD HIGH 2660
OAKTON HIGH 2677
WEST POTOMAC HIGH 2678
LAKE BRADDOCK HIGH 2907
CHANTILLY HIGH 2915

But hey, the wonderful academy coming soon will inspire students to flock to Lewis...


Not OP but having seen this was interested in the two-year trends in FARMS percentages, which I added above. Annandale and Justice were the only two high schools with a lower FARMS percentage in 2022-23 than 2020-21.


Wow TJ is turning 3rd world what a shame, Langley, justice and Annandale are doing it right, they should use them as the standard you don't want more poverty in schools it drags down education and increases crime and drugs
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No problem with IB unless FCPS tries to redistrict us into an IB school against our will. Then we are out of FCPS for good.

Against your will? You could still place into an AP school but it might not be the AP school of your choice. But yes, FCPS can change boundaries of schools. It has happened before. You do not get a guarantee when you buy a house. But this is why FCPS won't change boundaries when it does make sense-because of entitled melodramatic parents like yourself who fight it tooth and nail.


Of course people won't willingly be redistricted to one of the worst schools in FCPS. Not only would they lose value in their home but their children would get a worse education.

But it is fair for someone else to be re-assigned to another school? They have to assess boundaries once in a while. It’s not “fair” to anyone. I wouldn’t want to re-assigned from our high school but I’m not delusional to think I was entitled to stay in same HS when I bought. It’s not a certainty unless you live very close to a school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No problem with IB unless FCPS tries to redistrict us into an IB school against our will. Then we are out of FCPS for good.

Against your will? You could still place into an AP school but it might not be the AP school of your choice. But yes, FCPS can change boundaries of schools. It has happened before. You do not get a guarantee when you buy a house. But this is why FCPS won't change boundaries when it does make sense-because of entitled melodramatic parents like yourself who fight it tooth and nail.


Of course people won't willingly be redistricted to one of the worst schools in FCPS. Not only would they lose value in their home but their children would get a worse education.

But it is fair for someone else to be re-assigned to another school? They have to assess boundaries once in a while. It’s not “fair” to anyone. I wouldn’t want to re-assigned from our high school but I’m not delusional to think I was entitled to stay in same HS when I bought. It’s not a certainty unless you live very close to a school.


Districting is political. Neighborhoods on the wrong side are going to lobby their representative to fight it. Some are more successful than others.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lewis took the lead in F/R lunch this past school year (2022-2023), jumping past a couple of other schools and now the only school to be over 60%. Langley continues to be an outlier at the low end. All data from FCPS.edu.

School F/R%
Langley 3.97% (+0.86)
Thomas Jefferson 10.30% (+8.03)
McLean 12.32% (+2.31)
Madison 12.70% (+4.32)
Woodson 13.29% (+0.42)
Oakton 14.53% (+3.62)
Robinson 14.83% (+2.86)
West Springfield 17.07% (+2.24)
Lake Braddock 19.68% (+4.57)
Chantilly 20.48% (+3.84)
Marshall 22.56% (+4.96)
South County 23.31% (+2.74)
Hayfield 30.37% (+2.12)---- Median
South Lakes 31.39% (+4.32)
Westfield 32.97% (+6.30)
Fairfax 33.36% (+7.87)
Centreville 33.53% (+5.62)
Edison 37.92% (+1.38)
West Potomac 46.83% (+7.73)
Herndon 48.58% (+6.44)
Annandale 55.33% (-2.56)
Justice 56.80% (-1.86)
Falls Church 58.78% (+9.63)
Mount Vernon 59.82% (+8.42)
Lewis 62.78% (+9.14)

The two poorest schools are also the two smallest by enrollment - Lewis and Mount Vernon. Lewis is an outlier being well below all the other schools and 630 students below the median.

School Enrollment
LEWIS HIGH 1690
MOUNT VERNON HIGH 1934
JEFFERSON SCI/TECH HIGH 1952
FALLS CHURCH HIGH 2067
LANGLEY HIGH 2093
MARSHALL HIGH 2145
MADISON HIGH 2149
ANNANDALE HIGH 2158
HAYFIELD HIGH 2160
SOUTH COUNTY HIGH 2244
EDISON HIGH 2247
JUSTICE HIGH 2280
FAIRFAX HIGH 2320 ---- Median
HERNDON HIGH 2328
MCLEAN HIGH 2436
WOODSON HIGH 2453
SOUTH LAKES HIGH 2507
ROBINSON HIGH 2528
CENTREVILLE HIGH 2556
WESTFIELD HIGH 2657
WEST SPRINGFIELD HIGH 2660
OAKTON HIGH 2677
WEST POTOMAC HIGH 2678
LAKE BRADDOCK HIGH 2907
CHANTILLY HIGH 2915

But hey, the wonderful academy coming soon will inspire students to flock to Lewis...


Not OP but having seen this was interested in the two-year trends in FARMS percentages, which I added above. Annandale and Justice were the only two high schools with a lower FARMS percentage in 2022-23 than 2020-21.


Wow TJ is turning 3rd world what a shame, Langley, justice and Annandale are doing it right, they should use them as the standard you don't want more poverty in schools it drags down education and increases crime and drugs

There’s so much to unpack here. Why don’t people like you just send their kids to private school and shield them from the poors?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is IB some kind of European thing?


Yes. The IB Diploma is supposed to mimic or create a more European approach to HS then the the US diploma. I know it is not a perfect mapping but I have always viewed the European HS Diploma to an Associate degree from a community college. It feels like the European HS experience is more focused on picking an area of study, taking classes across the major areas but choosing a major and minor field. I know it is not a one to one comparison but that is my feel for the situation. The IB is meant to mimic that experience. Kids who complete the IB Diploma are supposed to be more easily accepted into International Universities then kids who don’t. That said, I think a straight A student from an AP school probably has very few problems getting into an International School.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lewis took the lead in F/R lunch this past school year (2022-2023), jumping past a couple of other schools and now the only school to be over 60%. Langley continues to be an outlier at the low end. All data from FCPS.edu.

School F/R%
Langley 3.97% (+0.86)
Thomas Jefferson 10.30% (+8.03)
McLean 12.32% (+2.31)
Madison 12.70% (+4.32)
Woodson 13.29% (+0.42)
Oakton 14.53% (+3.62)
Robinson 14.83% (+2.86)
West Springfield 17.07% (+2.24)
Lake Braddock 19.68% (+4.57)
Chantilly 20.48% (+3.84)
Marshall 22.56% (+4.96)
South County 23.31% (+2.74)
Hayfield 30.37% (+2.12)---- Median
South Lakes 31.39% (+4.32)
Westfield 32.97% (+6.30)
Fairfax 33.36% (+7.87)
Centreville 33.53% (+5.62)
Edison 37.92% (+1.38)
West Potomac 46.83% (+7.73)
Herndon 48.58% (+6.44)
Annandale 55.33% (-2.56)
Justice 56.80% (-1.86)
Falls Church 58.78% (+9.63)
Mount Vernon 59.82% (+8.42)
Lewis 62.78% (+9.14)

The two poorest schools are also the two smallest by enrollment - Lewis and Mount Vernon. Lewis is an outlier being well below all the other schools and 630 students below the median.

School Enrollment
LEWIS HIGH 1690
MOUNT VERNON HIGH 1934
JEFFERSON SCI/TECH HIGH 1952
FALLS CHURCH HIGH 2067
LANGLEY HIGH 2093
MARSHALL HIGH 2145
MADISON HIGH 2149
ANNANDALE HIGH 2158
HAYFIELD HIGH 2160
SOUTH COUNTY HIGH 2244
EDISON HIGH 2247
JUSTICE HIGH 2280
FAIRFAX HIGH 2320 ---- Median
HERNDON HIGH 2328
MCLEAN HIGH 2436
WOODSON HIGH 2453
SOUTH LAKES HIGH 2507
ROBINSON HIGH 2528
CENTREVILLE HIGH 2556
WESTFIELD HIGH 2657
WEST SPRINGFIELD HIGH 2660
OAKTON HIGH 2677
WEST POTOMAC HIGH 2678
LAKE BRADDOCK HIGH 2907
CHANTILLY HIGH 2915

But hey, the wonderful academy coming soon will inspire students to flock to Lewis...


Not OP but having seen this was interested in the two-year trends in FARMS percentages, which I added above. Annandale and Justice were the only two high schools with a lower FARMS percentage in 2022-23 than 2020-21.


Wow TJ is turning 3rd world what a shame, Langley, justice and Annandale are doing it right, they should use them as the standard you don't want more poverty in schools it drags down education and increases crime and drugs

There’s so much to unpack here. Why don’t people like you just send their kids to private school and shield them from the poors?


Pretty sure that "third world TJ" is a troll--trying to get exactly the reaction you gave.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No problem with IB unless FCPS tries to redistrict us into an IB school against our will. Then we are out of FCPS for good.

Against your will? You could still place into an AP school but it might not be the AP school of your choice. But yes, FCPS can change boundaries of schools. It has happened before. You do not get a guarantee when you buy a house. But this is why FCPS won't change boundaries when it does make sense-because of entitled melodramatic parents like yourself who fight it tooth and nail.


Of course people won't willingly be redistricted to one of the worst schools in FCPS. Not only would they lose value in their home but their children would get a worse education.

But it is fair for someone else to be re-assigned to another school? They have to assess boundaries once in a while. It’s not “fair” to anyone. I wouldn’t want to re-assigned from our high school but I’m not delusional to think I was entitled to stay in same HS when I bought. It’s not a certainty unless you live very close to a school.


Districting is political. Neighborhoods on the wrong side are going to lobby their representative to fight it. Some are more successful than others.


+1 Example: South Lakes redistricting where the SL PTSA chose the neighborhoods they wanted and turned down others.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is IB some kind of European thing?


Yes. The IB Diploma is supposed to mimic or create a more European approach to HS then the the US diploma. I know it is not a perfect mapping but I have always viewed the European HS Diploma to an Associate degree from a community college. It feels like the European HS experience is more focused on picking an area of study, taking classes across the major areas but choosing a major and minor field. I know it is not a one to one comparison but that is my feel for the situation. The IB is meant to mimic that experience. Kids who complete the IB Diploma are supposed to be more easily accepted into International Universities then kids who don’t. That said, I think a straight A student from an AP school probably has very few problems getting into an International School.


Pretty much everywhere else IB is an impressive program from both the university's and parents' perspective. But Northern Virginia is a bubble in that most parents want their kids to go to JMU, VT, W&M, or UVA, and then kids return home to Fairfax County for work. The breadth and flexibility of IB isn't really taken advantage of in this area.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is IB some kind of European thing?


Yes. The IB Diploma is supposed to mimic or create a more European approach to HS then the the US diploma. I know it is not a perfect mapping but I have always viewed the European HS Diploma to an Associate degree from a community college. It feels like the European HS experience is more focused on picking an area of study, taking classes across the major areas but choosing a major and minor field. I know it is not a one to one comparison but that is my feel for the situation. The IB is meant to mimic that experience. Kids who complete the IB Diploma are supposed to be more easily accepted into International Universities then kids who don’t. That said, I think a straight A student from an AP school probably has very few problems getting into an International School.


Pretty much everywhere else IB is an impressive program from both the university's and parents' perspective. But Northern Virginia is a bubble in that most parents want their kids to go to JMU, VT, W&M, or UVA, and then kids return home to Fairfax County for work. The breadth and flexibility of IB isn't really taken advantage of in this area.


FWIW, W&M in particular seems to appreciate the IB diploma.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No problem with IB unless FCPS tries to redistrict us into an IB school against our will. Then we are out of FCPS for good.

Against your will? You could still place into an AP school but it might not be the AP school of your choice. But yes, FCPS can change boundaries of schools. It has happened before. You do not get a guarantee when you buy a house. But this is why FCPS won't change boundaries when it does make sense-because of entitled melodramatic parents like yourself who fight it tooth and nail.


Of course people won't willingly be redistricted to one of the worst schools in FCPS. Not only would they lose value in their home but their children would get a worse education.

But it is fair for someone else to be re-assigned to another school? They have to assess boundaries once in a while. It’s not “fair” to anyone. I wouldn’t want to re-assigned from our high school but I’m not delusional to think I was entitled to stay in same HS when I bought. It’s not a certainty unless you live very close to a school.


I think there is a substantive, meaningful difference between redistricting to a school that has the same academic program but different demographics (whether wealthier or poorer), and redistricting to school that has a different program (such as IB rather than AP). IB is a more specialized, niche program, and while FCPS might want to make it available to those who want it, it should not be changing boundaries and reassigning kids to IB schools when those families often made a deliberate decision to buy in an area where the schools offered the more flexible AP curriculum.

That’s my opinion anyway and, while a future School Board might ignore it, they stand to see more families exit FCPS entirely if they push them involuntarily into IB schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is IB some kind of European thing?


Yes. The IB Diploma is supposed to mimic or create a more European approach to HS then the the US diploma. I know it is not a perfect mapping but I have always viewed the European HS Diploma to an Associate degree from a community college. It feels like the European HS experience is more focused on picking an area of study, taking classes across the major areas but choosing a major and minor field. I know it is not a one to one comparison but that is my feel for the situation. The IB is meant to mimic that experience. Kids who complete the IB Diploma are supposed to be more easily accepted into International Universities then kids who don’t. That said, I think a straight A student from an AP school probably has very few problems getting into an International School.


Pretty much everywhere else IB is an impressive program from both the university's and parents' perspective. But Northern Virginia is a bubble in that most parents want their kids to go to JMU, VT, W&M, or UVA, and then kids return home to Fairfax County for work. The breadth and flexibility of IB isn't really taken advantage of in this area.


Disagree. IB seems to impress people the most when it’s added to a school in a jurisdiction where the schools previously offered little in terms of any advanced academics. It had its day in FCPS where people got excited about it in the late 90s and early 00s but, with several decades of experience under everyone’s belt, the thrill is gone. Now it’s kind of a relic but FCPS is too sclerotic to do anything about it. And unfortunately it also locks them into existing boundaries at the HS level because they know how upset most people at an AP school would be if reassigned to an IB school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No problem with IB unless FCPS tries to redistrict us into an IB school against our will. Then we are out of FCPS for good.

Against your will? You could still place into an AP school but it might not be the AP school of your choice. But yes, FCPS can change boundaries of schools. It has happened before. You do not get a guarantee when you buy a house. But this is why FCPS won't change boundaries when it does make sense-because of entitled melodramatic parents like yourself who fight it tooth and nail.


Of course people won't willingly be redistricted to one of the worst schools in FCPS. Not only would they lose value in their home but their children would get a worse education.

But it is fair for someone else to be re-assigned to another school? They have to assess boundaries once in a while. It’s not “fair” to anyone. I wouldn’t want to re-assigned from our high school but I’m not delusional to think I was entitled to stay in same HS when I bought. It’s not a certainty unless you live very close to a school.


Districting is political. Neighborhoods on the wrong side are going to lobby their representative to fight it. Some are more successful than others.


+1 Example: South Lakes redistricting where the SL PTSA chose the neighborhoods they wanted and turned down others.


That was in 2008. The more recent example was the GFCA telling Elaine Tholen in 2021 which McLean neighborhoods (hint: only SFHs, no apartments) they would accept getting moved to Langley.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is IB some kind of European thing?


Yes. The IB Diploma is supposed to mimic or create a more European approach to HS then the the US diploma. I know it is not a perfect mapping but I have always viewed the European HS Diploma to an Associate degree from a community college. It feels like the European HS experience is more focused on picking an area of study, taking classes across the major areas but choosing a major and minor field. I know it is not a one to one comparison but that is my feel for the situation. The IB is meant to mimic that experience. Kids who complete the IB Diploma are supposed to be more easily accepted into International Universities then kids who don’t. That said, I think a straight A student from an AP school probably has very few problems getting into an International School.


Pretty much everywhere else IB is an impressive program from both the university's and parents' perspective. But Northern Virginia is a bubble in that most parents want their kids to go to JMU, VT, W&M, or UVA, and then kids return home to Fairfax County for work. The breadth and flexibility of IB isn't really taken advantage of in this area.


Disagree. IB seems to impress people the most when it’s added to a school in a jurisdiction where the schools previously offered little in terms of any advanced academics. It had its day in FCPS where people got excited about it in the late 90s and early 00s but, with several decades of experience under everyone’s belt, the thrill is gone. Now it’s kind of a relic but FCPS is too sclerotic to do anything about it. And unfortunately it also locks them into existing boundaries at the HS level because they know how upset most people at an AP school would be if reassigned to an IB school.


Sort of bizarre to talk about the most internationally recognized HS curriculum as if it's some 90s/00s fad. Fairfax can really be a provincial bubble sometimes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am more surprised by McLean, Woodson and lake Braddock- where do these families live?


Rental housing, be it townhomes or single-family residences.

Rental housing stock has exploded as homeowners become landlords and investors and corporations are buying up houses and turning them into rental properties.
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