Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Crime is not at a 20 year high. Start there.
Why the need to gaslight about crime? DC surpassed 100 homicides by June 7th, the fastest we’ve gotten there since 2003. So yes, 20 year high.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1. I watched a maybe 16 yr old whip out a giant bag of pot and roll a joint for his friend while we were waiting at a light to cross a busy intersection. There was a cop stopped at the light about 5 feet away. Cops absolutely do not care about pot and everyone knows it.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Crime is not at a 20 year high. Start there.
Why the need to gaslight about crime? DC surpassed 100 homicides by June 7th, the fastest we’ve gotten there since 2003. So yes, 20 year high.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1. I watched a maybe 16 yr old whip out a giant bag of pot and roll a joint for his friend while we were waiting at a light to cross a busy intersection. There was a cop stopped at the light about 5 feet away. Cops absolutely do not care about pot and everyone knows it.
Why would a cop stopping a person smoking weed affect the violent crime rate? You seem very confused.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1. I watched a maybe 16 yr old whip out a giant bag of pot and roll a joint for his friend while we were waiting at a light to cross a busy intersection. There was a cop stopped at the light about 5 feet away. Cops absolutely do not care about pot and everyone knows it.
Correct, NOW, cops don't arrest people for pot. That's because it's been decriminalized. PP is apparently trying to insist that they never arrested people for pot except when they found it on people being arrested for more violent crimes, but that does not seem like a plausible explanation for the 2,000 pot possession arrests a year that D.C. racked up before the laws changed.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1. I watched a maybe 16 yr old whip out a giant bag of pot and roll a joint for his friend while we were waiting at a light to cross a busy intersection. There was a cop stopped at the light about 5 feet away. Cops absolutely do not care about pot and everyone knows it.
Correct, NOW, cops don't arrest people for pot. That's because it's been decriminalized. PP is apparently trying to insist that they never arrested people for pot except when they found it on people being arrested for more violent crimes, but that does not seem like a plausible explanation for the 2,000 pot possession arrests a year that D.C. racked up before the laws changed.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Crime is not at a 20 year high. Start there.
Why the need to gaslight about crime? DC surpassed 100 homicides by June 7th, the fastest we’ve gotten there since 2003. So yes, 20 year high.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1. I watched a maybe 16 yr old whip out a giant bag of pot and roll a joint for his friend while we were waiting at a light to cross a busy intersection. There was a cop stopped at the light about 5 feet away. Cops absolutely do not care about pot and everyone knows it.
Why would a cop stopping a person smoking weed affect the violent crime rate? You seem very confused.
Because the cops don’t bother arresting people simply for pot. It was usually a charge tacked on to a bunch of other more serious charges.
Anonymous wrote:I mean, I drove through D.C. couple of months ago, on my way to the Nat'l Arboretum. It's been a few years since I was in that area. I'm driving up a street and the pot smoke is freaking getting into my car. Couldn't believe it.
This is great news, and hopefully sets a good precedent.
I don't care what you do, but making others put up with your disgusting habit and smells in their own home, is unfair. If it stayed in the smoker's own home... fine. But it clearly doesn't.
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t this mean that I can sue my neighbor for their leaf blower too?
I doubt a judge or jury would ever agree that occasionally using a leaf blower for its intended purpose in a residential neighborhood is a nuisance. Now, if your neighbor runs it every day for no apparent reason, then yes, you'd probably win that case. I'm not really sure how you see any parallels with weed.
I can step outside any given day of the week from spring into winter and hear a leaf blower or lawn service on my block. I can smell them too.
What about strong cooking smells? BBQ? Curry?
You should probably spend time researching nuisance law, and you'll probably be disappointed because leaf blowers and cooking are not out of character for living in a residential area (if any of the neighbors are running it just to annoy you, again that might be a different case, but you've described that many neighbors are all using them for their intended purposes). But hey, if you think you have a case that you can prove, and you want to sue all of your neighbors for collectively annoying you, go ahead and waste your money to do it. You'll need to convince a judge or a jury.
+1
At last, someone on DCUM who gets that people can't just equate pot smoking's effects on neighbors with other things like leaf blowers or cooking smells.
The pot lovers will come out of the woodwork here to defend their right to invade others' personal spaces with their smoke. What their addled brains can't comprehend is that smoking -- pot, cigarettes, anything -- not only creates a mere "scent," it creates particulate matter which permeates even the smallest spaces and goes into others' homes and lungs. The smokers don't want to understand or admit that aspect and don't see any problem with it if they DO understand it. Because they're self-centered.
Has anybody won something like this for cigarette smoke, or cigar smoke? I hate that smell and it's every bit of a health risk as the smell of pot.
Yes. Nuisance law is not something new; it's based on legal precedents older than our country. No need to worry about ludicrous results over cooking diner.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Crime is not at a 20 year high. Start there.
Why the need to gaslight about crime? DC surpassed 100 homicides by June 7th, the fastest we’ve gotten there since 2003. So yes, 20 year high.
Come on -- ok so a 17 year high. Same point. Crime in DC is out of control. If there were 248 murdurs in 2003 there should be under 150 now. Not going in the right direction.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
Crime is not at a 20 year high. Start there.
Why the need to gaslight about crime? DC surpassed 100 homicides by June 7th, the fastest we’ve gotten there since 2003. So yes, 20 year high.
Come on -- ok so a 17 year high. Same point. Crime in DC is out of control. If there were 248 murdurs in 2003 there should be under 150 now. Not going in the right direction.
My point is that crime is obviously linked with forces beyond politics despite the obvious partisan barrative that democrats or cannabis has anything to do with crime rates.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of pot smokers are just straight up drug addicts so this probably isn’t going to deter them
Why do you care so much that I be deterred from a legal product that I choose to consume?
You’re missing the point (probably killed too many brain cells). The point is that a judge has ruled that people here can be banned from smoking pot in their very own home if the stench prevents their neighbor from enjoying their home. That’s fantastic news to people who have potheads for neighbors. Potheads make for sh*tty neighbors. Whether the judge’s decision deters anyone remains to be seen. If a pothead is so inconsiderate that a neighbor will go through the time and expense to sue them, they probably don’t care what a judge says either.
No, a judge has ruled that THIS PERSON can be banned from smoking pot in their home BECAUSE it caused a nuisance for their neighbor. That doesn't mean the judge has said no one else is allowed to smoke in their own homes. Despite the crowing from a lot of people who really cannot handle the idea that some people use cannabis.
L-E-G-A-L P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T.
Suck it, pothead.
Super mad. Not for you, you wouldn't sue. Probably would just seethe like you’re doing now. I could smoke a blunt nearby and you would just deal with it. Betcha.
The police are warning of pot laced with fentanyl. That stuff will kill a horse.
With MD going fully legal this July, everyone can get safe edibles from a legal recreational dispensary. Finally. Now the entire DC metro area has a safe place to buy tested marijuana products.. and no more cops looking for easy possession arrests. Win win win.
The idea that cops ever gave a shit about pot is hilarious. This is some weird fantasy potheads enjoy telling themselves.
You are in fantasy land if you thought a police officer never arrested someone for it. Now they cannot…. try to keep up. Lay off the liquor buddy.
I’m sure that in Iowa once, in the 1970s, they arrested someone for pot. The idea that cops in DC care about pot is pretty amusing. Someone has to die for cops to begin to consider caring about it.
I bet almost none of these arrests was simply for pot possession. When you get arrested, the police pile up as many charges as possible because the vast majority of cases are pled out and more charges means more leverage for the cops. Pot is something they’d throw in on top of all the more serious stuff that they actually care about.
No, that same article indicates that in about 70 percent of the 115 pot possession arrests the Post reviewed from 2018-19, prosecutors later declined to file charges or dropped them. Which is a pretty good sign that they weren't just looking for leverage on other charges. It also showed that the vast majority of people arrested between 2012 and 2019 were black men, and that 40 percent of the arrests happened in Wards 7 and 8 -- less than 1 percent in Ward 3.
Do you think that represents the actual cannabis use distribution in the city? Or is it possible that legalizing marijuana actually helped end a serious ongoing structural injustice where only poor black people were being arrested for something all kinds of people do?
And yes, sure, I know you'll say it wasn't a big deal if the charges were later dropped or no-papered. I suspect you would feel differently if you had to miss a day of work for being arrested.
DC is pillow soft on crime. You can shoot someone in the face and you’re most likely not going to jail. The idea that this same government is extremely hard on people smoking weed is delusional.
It's not delusional, MPD used to make more than 2,000 pot possession arrests per year. Most of them didn't go to prison, true. But those statistics aren't just imaginary.
But it is lying with statistics. If someone was arrested for raping a child, and the police also threw in a charge for pot possession, you would say that’s evidence of a war on pot. I’d say it’s going after people who commit heinous crimes and throwing in a pot charge at the end because f them. But if they hadn’t done something heinous, they would have never been arrested in the first place.
No, sorry, you're just wrong about that. These are arrests, not charges, and the Post found most cases never went any further than the arrest. Before weed was decriminalized, MPD used to arrest people all the time for possession. 40 arrests a week! If most of these charges were just tossed in on top of much more serious charges, prosecutors wouldn't have dropped or no-papered 70 percent of the ones the Post examined in 2019. Also, there were a total of 12,000 crimes recorded in D.C. last year, about 10,000 of which were property crimes. How do you make 2,000 marijuana arrests in connection with other more heinous crimes if there are only 2,000 non-property crimes reported in the first place?
You’re looking at the wrong numbers (you’re obviously looking at the so far this year stats). DC typically records 30,000 crimes per year, of which about 4,000 are violent crimes
OK, fine, but there's still no way that every pot arrest before it was decriminalized was precipitated by an arrest for something more violent. Your "someone was arrested for raping a child" example was absurd hyperbole anyway that I shouldn't have bothered replying to. If you seriously think the police never arrested people in D.C. (especially black people east of the river) just for possession of marijuana, you're just being willfully ignorant.
This is DC. Most cops are black.
Yes, and? Black cops can't mostly arrest black people? I didn't say anything about what race the cops were, but it's a matter of public record that most of the thousands of simple marijuana possession arrests involved black people in wards 7 and 8.
Probably not a coincidence that the vast majority of arrests for violent crimes are also in wards 7 and 8.
Look, if you really want to keep on insisting that most pot arrests were just incidental to arrests for more violent crimes, that's fine, but it's not exactly a controversial or radical idea that the police used to (and in some places, still do) make arrests just for possession of small amounts of marijuana. No other violent crime involved. I'm not going to bother continuing to argue with you about this, as it would take more time exploring the data than I'm interested in devoting to this stupid message board. But I promise you that more recently than the 1970s, people have been arrested for nothing more than possessing a small amount of weed.
This alternative universe you describe where DC cops sweat the small stuff is oddly appealing compared to the reality of crime being at a 20 year high and enforcement seeming to be at an all time low
+1
Pot has been legal in DC for a long time and my guess is most of the people on this thread were not even here when it wasn’t
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