What was the big boom?

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Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

Small planes do crash, sometimes in inhabited areas. Remember the plane that crashed into the house by Gaithersburg?

But what do you think the ATC can do about an unresponsive plane at 30,000 feet? Shoot it down? Why would that be preferable?

I am not asking that it be shot down after not responding to the radio once. I am asking why it was allowed to not respond to contact, not land as scheduled, and then fly almost 300 miles before the Air Force assembled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does the press report a horrific tragedy this way?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/8286552/prominent-maga-donors-entire-family-plane-crash-dc-area/

I don't know but I think it's gross. Yes. They're MAGA gun nuts. I hate that. I think Trump was a terrible president and remains a vile human being out of office. I do not think a family's political beliefs should be part of the reporting here.

And for all we know, the daughter killed was the black sheep of the family and super liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of Payne Stewart’s plane crash. Plane lost pressure and flew for almost 4 hours before crashing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Was just going to post this reference to Payne Stewart. I remember this.

If this is the second time that this has happened in 25 years, then it's not a common occurrence.

It's pretty amazing how safe air travel is statistically.

Commercial air travel is the safest method in the world. My former boss's dh was ATC and he used to say not to be so swayed by an invitation to join someone on their private plane - "one of those things falls out of the sky every day."

Yes! Private planes and hobby pilots are dangerous. Too many people think they can buy their way into flying (like JFK Jr who killed his wife and SIL due to lack of training and poor judgment)

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Anonymous wrote: Never fly in a private plane with only 1 pilot…

+100

I wonder if all passengers were passed out or just the pilot.

How does a plane fly 300 miles off course with no one noticing for so long!?!?

They were unconscious and the plane was flying on autopilot?

You misunderstood my question.

Supposedly an air traffic controller somewhere knew this plane was approaching. Someone knew the plane took off. How does the plane not show up to land and then fly around (possibly putting lives on the ground at risk) with no one noticing for so long?

I understand hypoxia. Autopilot is not an answer.

They noticed immediately.

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Anonymous wrote:The owner of the plane, whose daughter and granddaughter died the crash, lost another daughter in a scuba diving accident at age 19.

Victoria Landing gets its name from Victoria Rumpel. Victoria was John’s daughter who died tragically at the young age of nineteen in a scuba diving accident. John honors the memory of his daughter with the Victoria Landing name. With that honor comes the responsibility to make Victoria Landing the very best it can be…in commemoration of Victoria and in celebration of everything life can and should be. Life is simply too precious.

https://victorialanding.com/our-history/

What I learned from this incident: owning one memory care facility kicks off enough profits to afford a private jet with multiple flights per week. Wild.

Well, you didn’t learn anything, because they were wealthy before they started the retirement community.

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Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

There’s no way to turn the plane and there’s no way to shoot it down without causing it to crash. Given where it was and its direction, letting it go as far as it could was probably the best option. I’m sure they assessed shooting it down north of DC and decided the risk was lower if they let it keep going. They would be able to estimate the fuel, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:ELIAF what is a sonic boom?

You know how when someone flings a whip like Indiana Jones there is a loud cracking sound? Well, they're breaking the sound barrier.

Now imagine that loud whip cracking sound on a scales orders of magnitude more powerful with a jet engine. You make an lotta noise.

Why only one boom instead of multiple (one for each jet)?

I guess only one ended up going supersonic.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the press report a horrific tragedy this way?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/8286552/prominent-maga-donors-entire-family-plane-crash-dc-area/

Because you linked to a tabloid that trades on sensationalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

Small planes do crash, sometimes in inhabited areas. Remember the plane that crashed into the house by Gaithersburg?

But what do you think the ATC can do about an unresponsive plane at 30,000 feet? Shoot it down? Why would that be preferable?

I am not asking that it be shot down after not responding to the radio once. I am asking why it was allowed to not respond to contact, not land as scheduled, and then fly almost 300 miles before the Air Force assembled.

I’m not sure you understand this, but planes destroyed by fighter jets do not simply vanish into thin air. They fall in pieces from the sky in fire and fragments that are extraordinarily dangerous to people on the ground. And I’m not sure what you mean by “assembled.” The Air Force is always “assembled.” They respond when ordered to do so. That small plane was under constant observation. Planes are not like wild mustangs — no one can just ride up and rope them to take control.

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Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

Small planes do crash, sometimes in inhabited areas. Remember the plane that crashed into the house by Gaithersburg?

But what do you think the ATC can do about an unresponsive plane at 30,000 feet? Shoot it down? Why would that be preferable?

I am not asking that it be shot down after not responding to the radio once. I am asking why it was allowed to not respond to contact, not land as scheduled, and then fly almost 300 miles before the Air Force assembled.

I’m not sure you understand this, but planes destroyed by fighter jets do not simply vanish into thin air. They fall in pieces from the sky in fire and fragments that are extraordinarily dangerous to people on the ground. And I’m not sure what you mean by “assembled.” The Air Force is always “assembled.” They respond when ordered to do so. That small plane was under constant observation. Planes are not like wild mustangs — no one can just ride up and rope them to take control.

Uh, I actually do understand that, and that's why I was not suggesting it be shot down. Not sure how many times I have to say that for you to get it. However, it is clear you don't understand my question so you may stop responding.

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Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

Small planes do crash, sometimes in inhabited areas. Remember the plane that crashed into the house by Gaithersburg?

But what do you think the ATC can do about an unresponsive plane at 30,000 feet? Shoot it down? Why would that be preferable?

I am not asking that it be shot down after not responding to the radio once. I am asking why it was allowed to not respond to contact, not land as scheduled, and then fly almost 300 miles before the Air Force assembled.

I’m not sure you understand this, but planes destroyed by fighter jets do not simply vanish into thin air. They fall in pieces from the sky in fire and fragments that are extraordinarily dangerous to people on the ground. And I’m not sure what you mean by “assembled.” The Air Force is always “assembled.” They respond when ordered to do so. That small plane was under constant observation. Planes are not like wild mustangs — no one can just ride up and rope them to take control.

Uh, I actually do understand that, and that's why I was not suggesting it be shot down. Not sure how many times I have to say that for you to get it. However, it is clear you don't understand my question so you may stop responding.

DP. But there's nothing else to do. It's not a yacht that can be boarded and steered. The fighter jets escorting it cannot tow it like a tow truck or a tugboat - all they can do is try to communicate, which they did, and fly alongside it, which they did, and shoot it down, which they did not do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read reporting last night that ATC lost contact with the pilots somewhere over New Jersey on the plane's flight to Long Island. So that's likely when the depressurization occurred.

So they were likely flying for 3+ hours while unconscious. The plane's autopilot seems to have turned the plane around at the Long Island airport when the pilot did not manually engage the landing procedures.

We are very lucky that this plane had enough fuel to crash in a rural area. It's just dumb luck that it didn't crash into a city or a busy area.

This is alarming and I would love to know more from aviation nerds why jets weren't assembled to investigate the first time they lost contact. I have seen the clip of the pilot landing at LAX and ATC yelling at him for not radioing back faster to confirm the runway was clear - like most people I assumed that when ATC radios you, you answer. So I am wondering how they not only lost contact but the plane didn't land, and it made it to DC before the Air Force assembled. God forbid it had run out of fuel over Manhattan, what a tragedy.

Small planes do crash, sometimes in inhabited areas. Remember the plane that crashed into the house by Gaithersburg?

But what do you think the ATC can do about an unresponsive plane at 30,000 feet? Shoot it down? Why would that be preferable?

I am not asking that it be shot down after not responding to the radio once. I am asking why it was allowed to not respond to contact, not land as scheduled, and then fly almost 300 miles before the Air Force assembled.

I’m not sure you understand this, but planes destroyed by fighter jets do not simply vanish into thin air. They fall in pieces from the sky in fire and fragments that are extraordinarily dangerous to people on the ground. And I’m not sure what you mean by “assembled.” The Air Force is always “assembled.” They respond when ordered to do so. That small plane was under constant observation. Planes are not like wild mustangs — no one can just ride up and rope them to take control.

Uh, I actually do understand that, and that's why I was not suggesting it be shot down. Not sure how many times I have to say that for you to get it. However, it is clear you don't understand my question so you may stop responding.

DP. But there's nothing else to do. It's not a yacht that can be boarded and steered. The fighter jets escorting it cannot tow it like a tow truck or a tugboat - all they can do is try to communicate, which they did, and fly alongside it, which they did, and shoot it down, which they did not do.

+1 I’m not sure what the PP expected to be done. They’re asking why it was “allowed” to be unresponsive, when the entire plane was unconscious! It was on auto pilot! No one was allowed anything… was only one option or two… Shoot it down or let it keep going.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the press report a horrific tragedy this way?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/8286552/prominent-maga-donors-entire-family-plane-crash-dc-area/

Because you linked to a tabloid that trades on sensationalism.

Like this tabloid... err propagandists for the Democrat party?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crashed-plane-behind-dc-chaos-owned-by-big-time-maga-donor-couple/ar-AA1c83QB

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately nothing firmly citable... just interesting, and may not pan out. With air defense drills not scheduled until tomorrow, some reports claim a plane also crashed (not the sound) but that the sonic boom was from a plane in pursuit of the crashed plane.

https://twitter.com/killmoenetwork/status/1665448496290230273?s=61&t=PckSN3mS7uR02yTgDc2tCg

How about people not amplify bullshit like this?

I wonder if this PP came back to feel stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately nothing firmly citable... just interesting, and may not pan out. With air defense drills not scheduled until tomorrow, some reports claim a plane also crashed (not the sound) but that the sonic boom was from a plane in pursuit of the crashed plane.

https://twitter.com/killmoenetwork/status/1665448496290230273?s=61&t=PckSN3mS7uR02yTgDc2tCg

How about people not amplify bullshit like this?

I wonder if this PP came back to feel stupid?

I don’t know but I’m glad everyone including Jeff in his write up recognized it!!!