Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem to be going any better at FCPS. My child's elementary school really pushed for it for a bullying situation in lieu of actually doing anything. The RJ mediator met with the students and opted not to go forward with the process. So, the thing that the school was relying on isn't going to happen.

Naive parents got tricked into this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

So MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws and putting our children at risk?

No. MCPS and the BOE nad the County Council have kicked police out of schools. MCPS has instructed admin NOT to involve MCPD and to handle incidents 'internally'.

Citation? I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to do that.

of course they do. A fight or a teen taking drugs is not something that MCPS will call the cops for. They will only call the cops for something egregious like bringing a weapon to school.

So you're claiming that MCPS officials are covering up felonies?

Is fighting a felony? Minors taking drugs a felony?

Assault and possession of a controlled substance are both felonies

EXACTLY. The cover-up is MASSIVE.

so, if two kids are fighting in a public area, let's say a park, will the cops arrest them, and will the be a felony? Or will the cops call their parents and tell them to sort it out?

IMO, it only becomes a felony if the injury is so great that they need hospitalization. I don't think a fist fight will lead to felony charges for kids.

Fortunately, courts don't base this on your opinion and assault is a felony regardless of what you think the criteria is...

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem to be going any better at FCPS. My child's elementary school really pushed for it for a bullying situation in lieu of actually doing anything. The RJ mediator met with the students and opted not to go forward with the process. So, the thing that the school was relying on isn't going to happen.

Naive parents got tricked into this nonsense.

There is a bullying incident in my child's classroom a week ago where they used RJ and it worked beautifully. The problem was completely resolved.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

So MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws and putting our children at risk?

Yes, MCPD seems to be angry that the council eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they're taking it out on our kids and putting their safety at risk.

All these problems make sense now.

Don’t let the troll above convince you this is MCPD’s fault. This mess falls squarely at the feet of Elrich and the council. While it’s convenient to blame the police, it’s rather hard to do since they were kicked out of schools. Blame the ones doing the kicking.

And MCPD mad? Please. They’ve been putting up with the council’s nonsense for a couple years now. The fact we still have officers left is a testament to their patience and professionalism.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

So MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws and putting our children at risk?

Yes, MCPD seems to be angry that the council eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they're taking it out on our kids and putting their safety at risk.

All these problems make sense now.

Don’t let the troll above convince you this is MCPD’s fault. This mess falls squarely at the feet of Elrich and the council. While it’s convenient to blame the police, it’s rather hard to do since they were kicked out of schools. Blame the ones doing the kicking.

And MCPD mad? Please. They’ve been putting up with the council’s nonsense for a couple years now. The fact we still have officers left is a testament to their patience and professionalism.

Agree 100%.

I would add that I also blame our BOE and MCPS leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

So MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws and putting our children at risk?

No. MCPS and the BOE nad the County Council have kicked police out of schools. MCPS has instructed admin NOT to involve MCPD and to handle incidents 'internally'.

Citation? I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to do that.

of course they do. A fight or a teen taking drugs is not something that MCPS will call the cops for. They will only call the cops for something egregious like bringing a weapon to school.

Can you provide a link to where the county council voted to make schools into lawless wild west zones free from police oversight?

No because it never happened. It's just another RWNJ fiction.

[Anonymous]

I quit last year because a student threatened me and the school refused to install videos in the classroom. I was afraid it would happen again and I would have to defend myself and end up accused of something. I was literally afraid to be alone in the classroom unless there were videos.

This was a private school, not in DC area. But I completely understand the teachers perspective.

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Our MCPS school is losing a 4th grade teacher tomorrow (kids/parents will not find out until tomorrow afternoon so that she does not have to deal with the complaints). 100% because of the no consequences in elementary school rules. This is due to the BOE.

Her mental health and physical safety are of course most important. But the reality is that her departure impacts our entire school and takes away even more support from the remaining teachers.

Kids should not be allowed to fight and threaten students and teachers with no consequences!

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Anonymous wrote:Our MCPS school is losing a 4th grade teacher tomorrow (kids/parents will not find out until tomorrow afternoon so that she does not have to deal with the complaints). 100% because of the no consequences in elementary school rules. This is due to the BOE.

Her mental health and physical safety are of course most important. But the reality is that her departure impacts our entire school and takes away even more support from the remaining teachers.

Kids should not be allowed to fight and threaten students and teachers with no consequences!

Very sorry to hear about your colleague. Curious why you say it's attributable to the BOE, rather than central office staff? Which BOE policy is it that specifies the no consequences in elementary school rules, and how recently was this policy written?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

So MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws and putting our children at risk?

No. MCPS and the BOE nad the County Council have kicked police out of schools. MCPS has instructed admin NOT to involve MCPD and to handle incidents 'internally'.

Citation? I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to do that.

of course they do. A fight or a teen taking drugs is not something that MCPS will call the cops for. They will only call the cops for something egregious like bringing a weapon to school.

So you're claiming that MCPS officials are covering up felonies?

Is fighting a felony? Minors taking drugs a felony?

Assault and possession of a controlled substance are both felonies

EXACTLY. The cover-up is MASSIVE.

so, if two kids are fighting in a public area, let's say a park, will the cops arrest them, and will the be a felony? Or will the cops call their parents and tell them to sort it out?

IMO, it only becomes a felony if the injury is so great that they need hospitalization. I don't think a fist fight will lead to felony charges for kids.

Fortunately, courts don't base this on your opinion and assault is a felony regardless of what you think the criteria is...

so, can you show me a court case where two kids who got into a fight where no serious injury occurred were charged with a felony in MoCo?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem to be going any better at FCPS. My child's elementary school really pushed for it for a bullying situation in lieu of actually doing anything. The RJ mediator met with the students and opted not to go forward with the process. So, the thing that the school was relying on isn't going to happen.

Naive parents got tricked into this nonsense.

There is a bullying incident in my child's classroom a week ago where they used RJ and it worked beautifully. The problem was completely resolved.

Per MCPS's own report, it's not working "beautifully". It's an abysmal failure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our MCPS school is losing a 4th grade teacher tomorrow (kids/parents will not find out until tomorrow afternoon so that she does not have to deal with the complaints). 100% because of the no consequences in elementary school rules. This is due to the BOE.

Her mental health and physical safety are of course most important. But the reality is that her departure impacts our entire school and takes away even more support from the remaining teachers.

Kids should not be allowed to fight and threaten students and teachers with no consequences!

How is this due to the BOE? Can you point to a meeting where they decided there would be no consequences? I just don't understand why MCPD isn't enforcing the laws and protecting our citizens from assault.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem to be going any better at FCPS. My child's elementary school really pushed for it for a bullying situation in lieu of actually doing anything. The RJ mediator met with the students and opted not to go forward with the process. So, the thing that the school was relying on isn't going to happen.

Naive parents got tricked into this nonsense.

There is a bullying incident in my child's classroom a week ago where they used RJ and it worked beautifully. The problem was completely resolved.

Per MCPS's own report, it's not working "beautifully". It's an abysmal failure.

Well, at our school, RJ helped put an end to my kid being bullied so I have to disagree. It works great.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem to be going any better at FCPS. My child's elementary school really pushed for it for a bullying situation in lieu of actually doing anything. The RJ mediator met with the students and opted not to go forward with the process. So, the thing that the school was relying on isn't going to happen.

Naive parents got tricked into this nonsense.

There is a bullying incident in my child's classroom a week ago where they used RJ and it worked beautifully. The problem was completely resolved.

Per MCPS's own report, it's not working "beautifully". It's an abysmal failure.

Well, at our school, RJ helped put an end to my kid being bullied so I have to disagree. It works great.

Can you elaborate? How did it work?

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Anonymous wrote:Our MCPS school is losing a 4th grade teacher tomorrow (kids/parents will not find out until tomorrow afternoon so that she does not have to deal with the complaints). 100% because of the no consequences in elementary school rules. This is due to the BOE.

Her mental health and physical safety are of course most important. But the reality is that her departure impacts our entire school and takes away even more support from the remaining teachers.

Kids should not be allowed to fight and threaten students and teachers with no consequences!

This is a tragedy. Why are the admins ok with this? Why aren't the admins protesting as much as the teachers are?