Tired of Managing Millenials

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Anonymous wrote:If your organization is so incredibly short staffed that there is literally no back up, plan for a situation where someone has a heart attack or is hospitalized or someone’s parent dies. The problem is not really with the employees. And the same is true with the school system. Ideally, there would be one or two highly trained individuals who are like permanent on-call substitutes for a school who can easily swap in when someone is out I’m saying this is someone who graded finals from a hospital room while high on narcotics because there was no one else who could fulfill that function. here the problem is not with the teacher or the employee but with a system that has no Slack built in for emergencies which can and do happen.

What is with all these silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. The procedure for requesting leave through a manager is in place so that planned leave requests can be MANAGED ahead of time and don't create emergencies. It is silly to assume businesses should run such that planned leave results emergencies.

The point is that claiming the office can’t function during vacations is a false argument. Emergencies come up and are handled, so something with months notice should be fine.

Businesses CAN function but why would you CHOOSE to function in an "emergency" state? Just because something is possible doesn't make it reasonable. Is it ok to inconvenience you, ask you to do more, and cause you stress if I know you can handle it?

The people unable to understand the need for a leave policy are the exact ones who would complain when they are asked to do anything extra.

In OPs case I agree they have months to sort this out but procedures for requesting and approving leave are in place for a very good reason and anyone who can't see this is blinded by their self importance.

Sigh. Two months notice is not an emergency. Two people being gone once in a blue moon is not an emergency. The same levers that could be pulled in an emergency can now be orchestrated months in advance.

I used the quote function to respond to a specific post, not OPs

There are plenty of people on this thread who seem to object to any leave policy that requires approval

In my post did you not read the last line that I said that OP has two months to sort this out. GEEZ, read better.

I think the point is that unless you work in an environment that requires scheduling, like medical/LEO/retail, there are very few jobs that can’t manage a few days absence by two employees at the same time. Op wants them to submit leave requests so he can reject one. It’s hard to believe that whatever TPS reports/widget production these people do can’t be handled by the remaining employees or op themselves, to a level that it justifies one employee missing a wedding or another employee missing their child’s high school graduation.

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I think the point is that unless you work in an environment that requires scheduling, like medical/LEO/retail, there are very few jobs that can’t manage a few days absence by two employees at the same time. Op wants them to submit leave requests so he can reject one. It’s hard to believe that whatever TPS reports/widget production these people do can’t be handled by the remaining employees or op themselves, to a level that it justifies one employee missing a wedding or another employee missing their child’s high school graduation.

There is no need to speculate on whether the job can "manage" without the two employees. On the flip side, I agree with those that say the quality of the reason (wedding, graduation) shouldn't matter.

If the policy is clear and known it should be followed. The policy is there to also protect the employee from a manager who makes arbitrarily decisions and protect other employees from being burdened due to a lack of planning.

In this case, the OP should have ample time to figure this out and have them both take some leave.

I believe the OP is bothered by a perceived lack of respect and rule following. OP shouldn't be emotional when making this decision.

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Anonymous wrote:If your organization is so incredibly short staffed that there is literally no back up, plan for a situation where someone has a heart attack or is hospitalized or someone’s parent dies. The problem is not really with the employees. And the same is true with the school system. Ideally, there would be one or two highly trained individuals who are like permanent on-call substitutes for a school who can easily swap in when someone is out I’m saying this is someone who graded finals from a hospital room while high on narcotics because there was no one else who could fulfill that function. here the problem is not with the teacher or the employee but with a system that has no Slack built in for emergencies which can and do happen.

What is with all these silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. The procedure for requesting leave through a manager is in place so that planned leave requests can be MANAGED ahead of time and don't create emergencies. It is silly to assume businesses should run such that planned leave results emergencies.

The point is that claiming the office can’t function during vacations is a false argument. Emergencies come up and are handled, so something with months notice should be fine.

Businesses CAN function but why would you CHOOSE to function in an "emergency" state? Just because something is possible doesn't make it reasonable. Is it ok to inconvenience you, ask you to do more, and cause you stress if I know you can handle it?

The people unable to understand the need for a leave policy are the exact ones who would complain when they are asked to do anything extra.

In OPs case I agree they have months to sort this out but procedures for requesting and approving leave are in place for a very good reason and anyone who can't see this is blinded by their self importance.

Sigh. Two months notice is not an emergency. Two people being gone once in a blue moon is not an emergency. The same levers that could be pulled in an emergency can now be orchestrated months in advance.

I used the quote function to respond to a specific post, not OPs

There are plenty of people on this thread who seem to object to any leave policy that requires approval

In my post did you not read the last line that I said that OP has two months to sort this out. GEEZ, read better.

I can read - you asked what is with all the silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. So you were not referring to a single post. The response explained it to you. Nobody is suggesting we should always be in emergency mode. Beyond that, I don’t have much else for you on this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:If your organization is so incredibly short staffed that there is literally no back up, plan for a situation where someone has a heart attack or is hospitalized or someone’s parent dies. The problem is not really with the employees. And the same is true with the school system. Ideally, there would be one or two highly trained individuals who are like permanent on-call substitutes for a school who can easily swap in when someone is out I’m saying this is someone who graded finals from a hospital room while high on narcotics because there was no one else who could fulfill that function. here the problem is not with the teacher or the employee but with a system that has no Slack built in for emergencies which can and do happen.

What is with all these silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. The procedure for requesting leave through a manager is in place so that planned leave requests can be MANAGED ahead of time and don't create emergencies. It is silly to assume businesses should run such that planned leave results emergencies.

The point is that claiming the office can’t function during vacations is a false argument. Emergencies come up and are handled, so something with months notice should be fine.

Businesses CAN function but why would you CHOOSE to function in an "emergency" state? Just because something is possible doesn't make it reasonable. Is it ok to inconvenience you, ask you to do more, and cause you stress if I know you can handle it?

The people unable to understand the need for a leave policy are the exact ones who would complain when they are asked to do anything extra.

In OPs case I agree they have months to sort this out but procedures for requesting and approving leave are in place for a very good reason and anyone who can't see this is blinded by their self importance.

Sigh. Two months notice is not an emergency. Two people being gone once in a blue moon is not an emergency. The same levers that could be pulled in an emergency can now be orchestrated months in advance.

I used the quote function to respond to a specific post, not OPs

There are plenty of people on this thread who seem to object to any leave policy that requires approval

In my post did you not read the last line that I said that OP has two months to sort this out. GEEZ, read better.

I can read - you asked what is with all the silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. So you were not referring to a single post. The response explained it to you. Nobody is suggesting we should always be in emergency mode. Beyond that, I don’t have much else for you on this topic.

Leave policies are in place so that you companies can manage known situations and avoid emergency mode. What if these two take off, business goes into emergency mode, and then a third co-worker gets sick? I appreciate that the real world is managed by professionals who understand risk avoidance and those arguing for no management will never be in charge of anything important.

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OP, you really can’t handle 2 employees being out at the same time TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM NOW?!! Are you that bad of a planner that you can’t…idk, make a plan for that particular week?

Instead, you bash your employees for …gasp …having a life outside of work?

You’re right OP, how dare they defy you and your precious time!!! Don’t they know you now own their life. Just ignore the fact that you are a terrible planner.

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OP is a crap boss and this company sounds awful. I hope they both find something better and quit the same day.

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Are many of the posters in such low level jobs that nobody would notice two people being out of the office at the same time or some generic temp could easily be slotted in?

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I also wonder where most of these people work. I spent nearly a decade in consulting previously and there was always an expectation that you would have enough people to cover in unexpected situations so leave had to be planned. I would also always check in when away. Most clients had my cell phones anyhow so would call or text while on vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Are many of the posters in such low level jobs that nobody would notice two people being out of the office at the same time or some generic temp could easily be slotted in?

Wrong direction. Many of us are in high enough level jobs where no one cares about facetime. All we need is a phone and an internet connection.

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Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.

It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.

NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.

+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.

I work in the private sector at a director level. I tell my leadership when I will be out, and my team tells me when they will be out. If multiple people are out at the same time, we work together to coordinate coverage / work ahead / adjust accordingly. People have earned their PTO and they should be able to use it for the things that are important to them.

+1 Our office looks ahead at the busy season and work together to coordinate schedules and time off. We don't ask to take our well-earned PTO, we let our supervisors know of the dates, and we find a way to make coverage work - even if it means some people are taking on an overload.

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I’m glad OP is getting roasted. I hope everyone under her management rage quits.

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No one cares, boomer.

Cry more about it when you're left without two employees for a week lmao. Maybe learn to staff properly for things like this in the future. 🥰

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How did you get your management job when you suck at it?

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I hope they both quit <3

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Anonymous wrote:A millennial has a son in high school?

Yes? I'm a millennial and I have a kid graduating high school this year. I was 21 when they were born, too. Millennials are older than you seem to think.