Biden in Kiev

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Anonymous wrote:History is going to show the world how awful Zelenskyy is truly!

Yeah Right Vlad.

We don’t need to wait for the history books to know what a monster Putin is. So much unnecessary blood on his hands to satiate his criminal imperial delusions.

Zelensky may not be perfect but his courage, determination, communication skills, and honor for his country and democratic values are qualities Putin cannot even recognize let alone hope to attain.

Putin’s war is evil. It is not a mere special military operation. It is an illegal war and so much evil has been done to innocents. That is beyond awful. It is despicable.

I don't understand your obsession with democratic values when it is clearly, abundantly obvious that America never had a problem making alliances with non-democratic countries. Or with forcing down democratically elected leaders when they wanted to chart a path America did not approve.

Seems like Russia is becoming a satellite of China?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/economy/china-russia-economic-ties-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

But if Russia is so dependent on China, I wonder what Putin will give Xi in exchange for weapons?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-considers-release-of-intelligence-on-chinas-potential-arms-transfer-to-russia-8e353933
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/23/wang-yi-meets-putin-in-sign-of-deepening-china-russia-ties

No doubt the Russian propagandists are already paving the way for Russians to serve their overlords!

“People say, ‘What do you mean, do you want to be like China?’ Yes! I very much want us to be like China. I dream of being like China.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/russia-information-war-latvia-exiled-media-tv-rain/101956932

You seem to be fond of nonsensical answers so what about this: would you like to tell more stories about babies tossed out of the incubators? Maybe in Congress? Why don't you find another daughter of an ambassador to cry at the podium?

I like songs. Do you like songs? Maybe we can all sing along together with Denis Maydanov?

It's got the full force of the Yenisei River
It's will is stronger than the Ural Mountains
It'll scatter our enemies into dust in an instant
It's ready to carry out the sentence
The US's air defense is no hinderance to it
It's not scared of sanctions
For the Saramat* there's only one pleasure
To trouble NATO's dreams
From Mother Russia, Saramats* are staring into the distance
At the United States

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/russia-information-war-latvia-exiled-media-tv-rain/101956932
* = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

As far as who's further down the track on the crazy train, at least the US hasn't transitioned from Mass Formation Psychosis into Mass Psychosis.

Take care, my friend.

Go to the UN and shake another glass vial at someone. Tell them it's anthrax or something.

Huh? The UN? Whoah there buddy, you completely misinterpreted the posts. Go re-read them. I don't think you're connecting dots. It's okay, you need a solid background of knowledge in order to analyze this stuff properly.

Denis Maydanov, the singer in the video, is a member of the Russian Parliament, the State Duma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Maidanov

Hmm. Think of the Russian State Duma as a collection of all Trumpers, all Majorie Greenes, and all Tuckers.

Now add into the mix the thugs with bloody hands: https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-chef-leaks-grisly-corpse-175617652.html

Who do you think will take control of the country when Putin is gone? Maybe Shoigu. Probably not. If opposition parties come to power in Russia, how long do you believe they can survive without bloody hands? Even then, do you believe that all members of the State Duma will throw up their hands and say 'you win'? What happens if the 'military patriots' decide to side with them?

You need to take your blinders off and understand that the rate of Russian losses (and possibly total losses) are surpassing both the U.S. Korean and Vietnam Wars. There were only three U.S. wars (Civil, WWI, WWII) that had more losses. You don't believe that is causing a cultural reaction in Russia? Do you believe that Russia will take up pacifism? What happens to all those thousands of nukes?

Wake up sunshine. You need to live in the real world. And anthrax has a vaccine. It's painful, but don't fret so much about that.

You don’t understand the difference between things said for public consumption, and reality.

You don't understand the difference between zinc Cargo 200 and the things said for public consumption. The Russian body count IS reality.

If I were Xi, I would fly over and look Putin in the eyes while asking him to turn over Russian submarine, nuclear, and hypersonic technologies. If Putin wavered, if I were Xi, I would remind him that this is a test of boundless friendship. If Putin refused, if I were Xi, I would remind him his main source of trade, foreign currency / money laundering, potential supply of weapons / ammo was coming from China. If I were Xi, I would immediately get on the plane and head home and leave him sitting at the table while he thought about how to explain the conversation to his inner circle (who Putin probably bragged about his relationship with China to).

Putin has no cards to play on China and could well become a vassal state if Putin has to fend off the wolves at home.

You really don't get it. Russia does death very well. It's not a country spooked by body count.

While we're on the subject, I note Ukraine has never made their losses public.

Then why is Russia lying to its people grossly understating the number of mobiks it's sent to die?

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

Your clear preference for grammatical perfection. Tell me, when your child's immigrant classmates make grammatical mistakes, do you correct them? What a little schoolmarm you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

If anyone here is scripted, it's more likely you with your ridiculous compendia of Russian-language news, badly translated, and clearly posted in an attempt to look smart. Rest easy, my dear. Most names you throw around to impress are unknown to anyone but TASS workers. I'd call it pearls before swine but they are more like coal lumps.

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

Your clear preference for grammatical perfection. Tell me, when your child's immigrant classmates make grammatical mistakes, do you correct them? What a little schoolmarm you are.

Oooh, the little vatnik is in a huff for being called out for "a random internets stranger"

No, I wouldn't do that to a child. But I would definitely do that to an obnoxious vatnik.

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

If anyone here is scripted, it's more likely you with your ridiculous compendia of Russian-language news, badly translated, and clearly posted in an attempt to look smart. Rest easy, my dear. Most names you throw around to impress are unknown to anyone but TASS workers. I'd call it pearls before swine but they are more like coal lumps.

Keep going, the more you say, the more you out yourself.

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Пу́тин — хуйло́

I'm sure you know what that means, кремлядь

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I'm sure you know what that means, кремлядь

LOL if you're so sure, why did you include the accents? Surely a Russian stooge would know what syllable is emphasized?

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

If anyone here is scripted, it's more likely you with your ridiculous compendia of Russian-language news, badly translated, and clearly posted in an attempt to look smart. Rest easy, my dear. Most names you throw around to impress are unknown to anyone but TASS workers. I'd call it pearls before swine but they are more like coal lumps.

Keep going, the more you say, the more you out yourself.

Please don't ever change. This world needs more predictable people like you.

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Didn’t take long for it to become some random Russians vs some random Ukrainians on this thread…

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

Lol. I'm the PP. You do realize you're confusing a discussion with different people, right? Never assume that the person answering is the person who posted last.

Also, it's clear you're not from the US, so give it up. Until you've spent your assignment time in the Russian Consulate or Embassy, you'll never be that good. Which reminds me...

IF ANYONE FROM THE WH IS READING THIS - WHY ARE THERE STILL 4 RUSSIAN CONSULATES OPEN? San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Houston?

IF YOU CLAIM RUSSIA IS BEING SANCTIONED - SHUT THEM DOWN!!!!! ALL THEY DO IS SPY ANYWAY!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t take long for it to become some random Russians vs some random Ukrainians on this thread…

I am neither. I am an American and I know world history.

I don't think Putin, or most Russians, have a good grasp of how much NATO is protecting Russia at this point in time. There is large coalition of former Warsaw Pact nations with some hard memories of what Russia did to them under the USSR.

These countries have the population, the power, and ability to significantly dismantle Russia in a conventional war. If these countries were not NATO members, they'd probably be actively participating in the war in Ukraine already, and would open up new fronts Russia would could not defend, given Russia’s failure to advance in Ukraine.

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When Ike was asked why he didn't get US involved in Hungarian Revolution, his response was that he did not want to start WWIII

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Anonymous wrote:I know it was the right thing to do but I am sad the talks are nowhere near and more people will die and suffer

What's there to talk about? Russia needs to leave Ukraine, end of story.

This approach will bring many more lost lives, is all I am saying

If you let your abuser continue to beat you, you will eventually be killed.
Better to at least try and fight, is all I’m saying.

This analogy can be correct or not depending on how much you associate a state and its citizens. Take an average person in eastern ukraine and ask them whether they would rather be alive under Russians or dead under Ukrainians.

Wow. What a loser attitude you have. You think people should roll over when an aggressor comes storming in to steal territory? Why is that the only choice you offer? How about they’d prefer to be alive with the Russian invaders gone back to their own country, paying reparations for the damage they inflicted.

I just don’t think all people are 100% behind their government, and many would choose to either escape the war altogether or to change governments as long as they can keep their lives and possessions.

No one in Donbas gives two shits if they are ruled by Ukraine or by Russia. Ukraine hasn't exactly been nice to them.

Ehh... the "not being nice to them" really only started in 2014 when Russia sent FSB operatives, mercenaries and others in to take over Donbas to stage a fake "separatist" movement in order to try and destabilize Ukraine after their corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got thrown out.

Really? So you think being forced to switch to a language you barely know is, I dunno, awesome?

Donbas never got on with the Maidan program. I know you want to paint a picture that this was a rosy place until big bad Russia got involved but the fact of the matter is east Ukraine always looked toward Russia and specifically did not appreciate the policy of forced Ukrainization. It honestly would not have killed Kiev to keep two languages going.

BS. Again, that "forced Ukrainization" stuff really wasn't even happening until the Russian invasion. And even Donbas voted heavily to separate from Russia during the 1990s breakup of the USSR and well after. That's a fact. And one could turn the same arguments right around at you - It's also a fact that the Russian occupiers are throwing away and burning Ukrainian school books in all of the territories they are occupying rather than bothering to try and keep two languages going. Along with forcibly deporting Ukrainian children to Russia for them to be russified rather than knowing their own culture and language.

I’ll trust actual people from Donbas and Luhansk I know over you, a random internets stranger.

I’ll trust actual russian propagandists I know over you, a random internets stranger.

Fixed it for you, russian stooge.

Before you accuse others of being a Russian stooge, you should fix your American grammar. Oops.

Nope. The lower case r was an slight, russian stooge. It's because your country is not worthy of capitalization. Also, we don't say "a random internets stranger" in America.

And yet I'm sure you look for, er, "diversity" in your child's ES and god knows where else. Admit it. You're really only comfortable around proper Americans.

Eh? What are you on about? Did you mix up your scripts again, Sergei?

If anyone here is scripted, it's more likely you with your ridiculous compendia of Russian-language news, badly translated, and clearly posted in an attempt to look smart. Rest easy, my dear. Most names you throw around to impress are unknown to anyone but TASS workers. I'd call it pearls before swine but they are more like coal lumps.

I'm not the same person you're arguing with (you mixed up posts again). I'm the one posting what you call the "ridiculous compendia".

Here's another one for you:

Putin delivered a notably short address to a crowd of tens of thousands.
“I've just been hearing from the highest military command that at this very moment there is an ongoing fight on our historical lands, for our people. It is led by similarly brave fighters to the ones standing beside us here right now,” he said, flanked by Russian soldiers.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/22/putin-says-russia-fighting-for-historical-lands-at-pro-war-rally-a80306

According to local journalists, on Christmas Day 2015, the priest was granted a personal meeting with President Vladimir Putin, who was visiting town.
“The destruction of the U.S.S.R. was a great deceit visited upon the Russians,” the priest continued. “There was no law by which the republics were dissolved. Everything that was built after 1990 is a lie. All this will soon come to light, and you will know it.”
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/23/at-a-young-russian-soldiers-funeral-denunciations-of-ukrainian-nazis-soviet-dissolution-a77038

He said the city is so overwhelmed that it is building a new crematorium, which he predicted would be kept busy for the next two to three years.
“Crematoriums are growing exponentially in Russia,” Yevsikov told The Insider, which estimates that the 33 crematoriums currently operating in Russia are unable to meet surging demand.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/27/putin-blasts-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-on-holocaust-remembrance-day-a80065

The point is that Putin really believes he can stitch the USSR back together again, not seeming to realize that armed conquest requires both capitulation and subjugation; neither of which is 'a thing' in Ukraine. This doubt is even spreading to ordinary Chinese, even on formerly pro-Russian blogs.

Russia is “crying without tears” and is tightly embracing its nuclear weapons because they are losing the war.
“He’s becoming as comical as Trump now,” another commenter said about Putin.
“Who you support and who you oppose all depends on who our enemy is. The United States is now our enemy. So do we support Russia or Ukraine?”
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/invincible-russia-putins-speech-discussed-on-chinese-social-media/

Since I wouldn't want anyone to believe I'm attempting to "look smart" by stringing together unrelated news articles, then perhaps you can explain this next one?

He said the city is so overwhelmed that it is building a new crematorium, which he predicted would be kept busy for the next two to three years.
“Crematoriums are growing exponentially in Russia,” Yevsikov told The Insider, which estimates that the 33 crematoriums currently operating in Russia are unable to meet surging demand.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/27/putin-blasts-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-on-holocaust-remembrance-day-a80065

“Near the local crematorium, there is a constant queue of up to 10 military vehicles. The occupiers use these trucks to bring dead Russian soldiers and mercenaries. Cremations are performed around the clock. Cremation services are not provided to civilians,”
"the Russian army had set up a mobile crematorium in occupied Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, to conceal its own losses."
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/02/15/crematorium-in-occupied-crimea-burns-killed-russian-soldiers-round-the-clock-general-staff/

"Russian forces have used at least five mobile crematoriums at the front line to burn bodies."
"According to Russia’s legislation, the family of every dead soldier receives payments. But if the body is missing – no payouts will be provided."
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/01/28/russia-hides-scale-of-its-losses-in-ukraine/?__cf_chl_rt_tk=YBY9owsa_JiTafDsQ1aY6iqfiH5I36Rzy2Eh1_pZPVE-1676458827-0-gaNycGzNEOU

How long do you think the Russian Government can keep this up? Forever? Ten years? One year? Less than that?

You need to wake up and stop supporting the current Russian Government.