Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.

Exposure to teachings you don’t necessarily agree with is the point of education. The student is free to decide what it means to them. I certainly don’t take everything I’ve ever been taught as gospel but I am grateful for the exposure to knowledge, ideas and information. People have lost their minds. You don’t care to learn about AA history or don’t want your kids too because it’s too threatening. Then don’t. Your loss. It for gods sake what’s with banning an entire curriculum because you don’t like it.

Them

Such coddling is embarrassing. Intellectual pansies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.

Exposure to teachings you don’t necessarily agree with is the point of education. The student is free to decide what it means to them. I certainly don’t take everything I’ve ever been taught as gospel but I am grateful for the exposure to knowledge, ideas and information. People have lost their minds. You don’t care to learn about AA history or don’t want your kids too because it’s too threatening. Then don’t. Your loss. It for gods sake what’s with banning an entire curriculum because you don’t like it.

Them

Such coddling is embarrassing. Intellectual pansies.

Very funny coming from the censorship woke brigade.

So sorry that Florida found out the academic fraud this course was. Perhaps next time you can do a better job hiding the hate and the racism and the nonsense in the syllabus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.

Exposure to teachings you don’t necessarily agree with is the point of education. The student is free to decide what it means to them. I certainly don’t take everything I’ve ever been taught as gospel but I am grateful for the exposure to knowledge, ideas and information. People have lost their minds. You don’t care to learn about AA history or don’t want your kids too because it’s too threatening. Then don’t. Your loss. It for gods sake what’s with banning an entire curriculum because you don’t like it.

Them

Such coddling is embarrassing. Intellectual pansies.

As far as I can tell, schools in Florida already teach AA history classes. This is a new pilot class from College Board. They will revise it many times, like all of their classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

+1

The syllabus is transparent. It's not AA Studies but woke propaganda posing as AA Studies.

Wokes must think AAs are dumb and won't notice being hijacked.

Yet another commenter who can only articulate their distaste by describing the class as "woke." Please elaborate on what specifically you disagree should be presented and why? Still waiting and pages of comments and all that most can say is they don't want "wokeness* taught. Still haven't got any explanation as to what it is specifically that is so upsetting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.

Exposure to teachings you don’t necessarily agree with is the point of education. The student is free to decide what it means to them. I certainly don’t take everything I’ve ever been taught as gospel but I am grateful for the exposure to knowledge, ideas and information. People have lost their minds. You don’t care to learn about AA history or don’t want your kids too because it’s too threatening. Then don’t. Your loss. It for gods sake what’s with banning an entire curriculum because you don’t like it.

Them

Such coddling is embarrassing. Intellectual pansies.

Very funny coming from the censorship woke brigade.

So sorry that Florida found out the academic fraud this course was. Perhaps next time you can do a better job hiding the hate and the racism and the nonsense in the syllabus.

Yet again you sound like a snowflake sheep as your only explanation is that you fear wokeness yet you can't articulate what it is or why you fear it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

+1

The syllabus is transparent. It's not AA Studies but woke propaganda posing as AA Studies.

Wokes must think AAs are dumb and won't notice being hijacked.

State exactly what in the syllabus you disagree with. Specific things. List them. And what your issue is in specific terms, not just saying something is woke, which means nothing.

[Anonymous]

So many commenters sound like Archie Bunker grunting from his armchair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is there an AP African-American Studies course?

Why is there an AP U.S. History course?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Are most things hard for you? Holy WTF left field nonsense are you spouting off about? Not germane is me being kind. Do you want a cookie for your idiotic and random injection of Germans, Jews and the Holocaust into a thread about AA AP history curriculum. Slow, clap, clap and a boop on your silly little shiny red ball clown nose.

This is the problem… too much but wha, wha, what about me. Your head will not explode, and history will not be erased just because some intellectually curious teenagers decide to sign up for an AP American History class that has nothing to do with the Holocaust or European history. The American civil rights movement wasn’t just fought by brave black people, brave non black Jews, white people and others believed in the cause and some lost their lives in the struggle. Why did these others stand up? These are stories discussed in AA history.

I’m sure these stories and others would be covered in the course. The writings of James Baldwin and his writings and struggles and as a gay black man in a racist homophobic America would no doubt make for a great lecture and discussion. A complex story no doubt. AA History is American history and it is rich, moving, varied and fascinating and barely touched upon outside of slavery, Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King.

As evidenced your post and others, most adults lack the background knowledge, intellectual capacity and curiosity to even try to understand what might actually be taught in such a class let alone fathom the benefits to be derived from such the study of such rich and complex course content.

The levels of knee jerk I won’t listen and you can’t make me… hands over ears fearful reactions are just bizarre to me.

I’d be thrilled to have a kid who was capable and interested in learning about AA history mostly because I think it’s is such interesting subject matter. I hated HS history but fell in love with it while at university precisely because of the opportunity to take classes like this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all Americans were responsible?

The generalization is ‘white people’ . There were plenty of white people who took part in the Underground Railroad, just like there were plenty of Germans that hid the Jews to protect them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

Truth has a liberal bias. Conservatism is based on myths.

That PP is not the only one who is unhappy with the current APUSH. Are you familiar with it?

What upsets you about APUSH? Be specific.

Right-wingers lost their minds because the AP US History curriculum was mildly but truthfully critical of Saint Ronald Reagan. The College Board caved and took out the language that triggered conservative snowflakes.

Can you detail that language please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all Americans were responsible?

The generalization is ‘white people’ . There were plenty of white people who took part in the Underground Railroad, just like there were plenty of Germans that hid the Jews to protect them.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all white people were responsible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all Americans were responsible?

The generalization is ‘white people’ . There were plenty of white people who took part in the Underground Railroad, just like there were plenty of Germans that hid the Jews to protect them.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all white people were responsible?

We already know that’s what’s being taught in colleges, and how white people are supposed to apologize for their privilege. Do I expect all Germans to apologize for the Holocaust? No. That’s ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many commenters sound like Archie Bunker grunting from his armchair.

+1 spitting out the word “woke” like it begins with an n and ends with an r.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all Americans were responsible?

The generalization is ‘white people’ . There were plenty of white people who took part in the Underground Railroad, just like there were plenty of Germans that hid the Jews to protect them.

Clearly not enough if you do the body count.