Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

As a Jew, I would not want the holocaust taught from the perspective of all Germans were responsible.

Where in the syllabus does it say that all Americans were responsible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Except I have. What have you been looking at?

Fox "News"

Same old tired line. Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.

If you look at the history of the United States actions towards black people, there really isn't much middle ground or moderation

It is not the first three sections that anyone is objecting to.

DP. What's objectionable about the fourth section, though? What's wrong with teaching about black queer studies or the reparations movement. Learning the argument for reparations doesn't mean you have to support it, it just means you've learned what some people think and why they think it. The same for black queer studies. You don't have to agree that that perspective is valid to understand and describe it. That's mostly what a college level humanities class is, in my experience.

Whatever you think of them the voices of Black scholars who support reparations or believe that colorblindness is a type of racism are part of the conversation and it's totally appropriate to ask students to engage with those voices, especially the ones doing college level work.

Everything, given context.

The course is titled AA Studies, not Woke Delusions.

You object to what? You still can't articulate anything more than a response that "woke" ° bad for reasons you can't seem to articulate any further than that. You object to discussion of the perceptions of black people who are queer or feminist because why? Because it's woke? And woke is bad? Because why? Please form a coherent argument because I'm here to listen, but you haven't remotely even tried.

[Anonymous]

Why can't it just be a college course? There is no other racial course at the high school level? The reasons they are giving are dumb but at the same time it would open up doors to many other classes that are not generalized enough for high school.

[Anonymous]

Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't it just be a college course? There is no other racial course at the high school level? The reasons they are giving are dumb but at the same time it would open up doors to many other classes that are not generalized enough for high school.

Do you know what an Advanced Placement course is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't it just be a college course? There is no other racial course at the high school level? The reasons they are giving are dumb but at the same time it would open up doors to many other classes that are not generalized enough for high school.

Do you know what an Advanced Placement course is?

At one time they were supposed to be the equivalent of college courses. That was a long time ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

Truth has a liberal bias. Conservatism is based on myths.

That PP is not the only one who is unhappy with the current APUSH. Are you familiar with it?

What upsets you about APUSH? Be specific.

Right-wingers lost their minds because the AP US History curriculum was mildly but truthfully critical of Saint Ronald Reagan. The College Board caved and took out the language that triggered conservative snowflakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

Truth has a liberal bias. Conservatism is based on myths.

That PP is not the only one who is unhappy with the current APUSH. Are you familiar with it?

What upsets you about APUSH? Be specific.

Right-wingers lost their minds because the AP US History curriculum was mildly but truthfully critical of Saint Ronald Reagan. The College Board caved and took out the language that triggered conservative snowflakes.

Moderates and some liberals don't like the current APUSH that is relentlessly negative. Negativity is not "honesty" or "accuracy", it's political and it's depressing and counter-productive.

[Anonymous]

Let’s stop paying for this racist clap trap !!!!

No more!

[Anonymous]

Amazing to see people referring to it as "woke" and "racist clap trap" and everything else despite not even having seen the syllabus.

You people are really something. Right wing media has you trained to bark on command.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Conservatives are fearful people. They think if you have any kind of contact with something or someone they dislike that this exposure will harm you. You can show this in all sorts of situations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

Why?

DP. There is supposed to be a push-pull compromise between conservative and liberal ideology, between right and left, in order to have an effective exchange of ideas and real learning. But higher education has swung too far left and some media/Main Street has swung too far right. It's good that the dialogue is beginning to happen in education, with pushback and compromise. Like sausage, watching the process isn't pretty. But hopefully the end result will be worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank God that DeSantis is saying no to this crap.

+1

The syllabus is transparent. It's not AA Studies but woke propaganda posing as AA Studies.

Wokes must think AAs are dumb and won't notice being hijacked.