How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Right because if all these places were never colonized they would have all joined hands across Asia or Africa and lived in harmony. The world happens. Wrongs cannot be made right. Blood money doesn't wash away the blood. There is no going back, only forward.

You have some nerve, I have to say,😡. Goes back to the assumption that people living there were savages who would have killed each other. British went to places that they could loot and benefit from. Simple

And, of course, all the colonizers of Africa were also drivers of the slave trade and then used the trade to justify colonization (because of course any non-European group that participated in the trade must be incapable of self-rule).

The colonizers of Africa, aided and abetted by Africans, were also drivers of the slave trade…
FTFY

Africans SOLD slaves.

Arabs bought them and sold them to the British.

The British bought them to resell them in the Colonies.

Quite a feat to ignore everyone in this chain but the British

Liberals like to ignore Africans and Arabs involved in the slave trade. The prefer to patronize Africans and Arabs as people who couldn't possibly be smart enough to be involved in any type of trade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this so hard for people to understand? Some of us are from former colonized nations. The Queen may not have personally undertook that colonization, but she didn't try to make any amends during her reign. A lot of people suffered immensely under the British. The Queen may have personally done good, engaged in charitable works, etc., but the reason she has so much money to do that charity in the first place is because of the type of dealings her family engaged in.

The same issue is here in the States. The reason why are a superpower at all is because we were able build the country on stolen land and free labor. We aggrandize some major slave owning racists, and it's only now in recent history that there's been some level of reckoning at least in public discourse.

I think this just points to peoples' discomfort with their own controversial histories. Is it enough to just own up to it? Or should something else be done to make amends? The UK has to decide itself what ought to be done, but in the US, we aren't even close to making any amends to indigenous people or to the descendants of slaves.

You sound like an Indian who should be grateful for all the opportunities your parents were given given in the States. If you want to leave and become a British citizen so that you can work for reparations against the British colonizers, feel free to do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is this so hard for people to understand? Some of us are from former colonized nations. The Queen may not have personally undertook that colonization, but she didn't try to make any amends during her reign. A lot of people suffered immensely under the British. The Queen may have personally done good, engaged in charitable works, etc., but the reason she has so much money to do that charity in the first place is because of the type of dealings her family engaged in.

The same issue is here in the States. The reason why are a superpower at all is because we were able build the country on stolen land and free labor. We aggrandize some major slave owning racists, and it's only now in recent history that there's been some level of reckoning at least in public discourse.

I think this just points to peoples' discomfort with their own controversial histories. Is it enough to just own up to it? Or should something else be done to make amends? The UK has to decide itself what ought to be done, but in the US, we aren't even close to making any amends to indigenous people or to the descendants of slaves.

I think you are a fool. Don't care if you are from a colonized nation. I am Irish-American and I know a thing or two about the british. Nonetheless it is wrong to lay any of this at the royal family. Attack the UK all you want but understand that during almost the entire period of colonization the royal family had no power. So go after the UK. But on the death of the queen you are wrong in yourt attack. Wait a couple of month but it should be directed at the british people as a whole. Even then the british people are not the same as they were then. That is why it is best left as a matter of history. Making amends is worthless. Will help no one. You live and move on. If you could go back in time and get the bastards that did things, great. But you can't. You live life from where you are today. Is the UK creating colonies today? No. In fact they spend a lot to help former colonies. Anyone that wants out can get it. You are lost in the past so your future is uncertain.

+1 - Whitehead born.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get that she arrived on the scene long after most of the damage had been inflicted, however,
How did she use her power and position to enact restorative justice?

She used her power and position to enact restorative justice just as Bill Clinton did. Do tell us how that is working out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get that she arrived on the scene long after most of the damage had been inflicted, however,
How did she use her power and position to enact restorative justice?

1 As PP pointed out she has no power and no voice.

2 What would you have her do? For whom?

Write an article - find a way to smuggle it past her gatekeepers - about what should be returned to other nations, for example. Antiquities come to mind.
Express sorrow and regret for all the people they murdered in the past maybe?

DP: You know the last snippy little American who tried to change the British royal family is now living in exile in Montecito and has to curtsey to her sister-in-law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right because if all these places were never colonized they would have all joined hands across Asia or Africa and lived in harmony. The world happens. Wrongs cannot be made right. Blood money doesn't wash away the blood. There is no going back, only forward.

You have some nerve, I have to say,😡. Goes back to the assumption that people living there were savages who would have killed each other. British went to places that they could loot and benefit from. Simple

And, of course, all the colonizers of Africa were also drivers of the slave trade and then used the trade to justify colonization (because of course any non-European group that participated in the trade must be incapable of self-rule).

The colonizers of Africa, aided and abetted by Africans, were also drivers of the slave trade…
FTFY

Africans SOLD slaves.

Arabs bought them and sold them to the British.

The British bought them to resell them in the Colonies.

Quite a feat to ignore everyone in this chain but the British

Liberals like to ignore Africans and Arabs involved in the slave trade. The prefer to patronize Africans and Arabs as people who couldn't possibly be smart enough to be involved in any type of trade.

Indeed

[Anonymous]

what is it about Queen Elizabeth that people are so impressed by other than that she was the Queen maybe that would draw some consensus if you explained why you feel it is necessary for our news to have 6 straight days of non-stop coverage - we could all learn something

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what is it about Queen Elizabeth that people are so impressed by other than that she was the Queen maybe that would draw some consensus if you explained why you feel it is necessary for our news to have 6 straight days of non-stop coverage - we could all learn something

Would you mind translating into your native tongue please?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes people understand where some of their wealth came from. They also acknowledge some jewels were gifts. Not all of their wealth just came from this and certainly not in recent years. Some was personal jewellery of the Queens obtained in her lifetime and others royal jewellery. They did give back priceless artifacts to African countries.

A lot of countries have gained wealth by dubious means throughout the years. People acknowledge and understand the past and what happened. They just don't hold onto the hate. People understand history is riddled with violence and unfairness.

Unfortunately because she is white their will be hatred. They won't see the good she did or what she gave as well. Yes she grew up in privilege but what does it help to hate those more fortunate.

Plenty of billionaires out there whose money is made off other people's misery. Do you buy diamonds today. People today love diamonds at the expense of others. Blood diamonds. It's so easy to be righteous when a lot of things are consumed from others suffering even animals. I bet you wear leather, the list goes on. Unfortunately life is not always fair. We understand the mistakes of the past, apologies have been made to indigenous people in commonwealth countries. If they still choose to hate, what can you do. So much in recent years has been given but the past can't be changed and seeing the Royal Family broke and dead is the only answer some people have to be happy which is simply a miserable way to live.

Omg so much gaslighting. Cry me a river. You realize all this happened in the recent past right? Most of this travesty less than a century old

I understand Winston Churchill was to blame for the famines in India during the war, although you wouldn't know it from reading this thread, I understand most countries were colonised in the 1700's. I understand some African countries restored their sovereignty during the Queens reign as will some Caribbean countries in the coming years. I understand slavery was not just about the Queen. I understand there are a lot of travesties in recent years.

Yes people understand. You can have your opinion. Worry about America. The Queen had a class and dignity that most people don't possess which is why she is being mourned worldwide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are really twisting yourselves up over an ‘apolitical sow pony’. If you really think Elizabeth II and her family are apolitical, have no opinion, voice none in the weekly meeting with the British Prime Minister, I have a bridge to sell you that will let you race over traffic from Capitol Hill to Georgetown!

From the previously posted NY Times “ The queen served as head of state in more than a dozen Commonwealth realms, more of which may now follow the example of Barbados, which decided “to fully leave our colonial past behind” and become a republic in 2021. The queen’s death could also aid a fresh campaign for Scottish independence, which she was understood to oppose. Though Commonwealth leaders decided in 2018 to fulfill the queen’s “sincere wish” and recognize Prince Charles as the next head of the Commonwealth…”

Oh please. Scotland could vote themselves out. But they didn’t. That’s on them at this point

What is a "sow pony"? Are you calling the late Queen of England a piggy/horse? Because that isn't very nice at all! I mean Camilla, maybe...

[Anonymous]

Britain stole 45 trillion from India. If you’re still harping about how colonization “saved” India, watch this.

https://youtu.be/x_jGPf764d0

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a prime example of what is wrong with the world. The royals may not have direct political power, but they do have authority indirectly through their relationships with those in power. They also have the hearts of the people who elect the politicians in office. I don't think anyone would force the Queen do anything she wasn't in favor of. For example, discriminating against staff for clerical roles by the Palace https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal.

Charles, the current King, sure as hell wasn't shy to use his influence when it came to lobbying for his interests:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/prince-charles-black-spider-memos-published-after-10-year-legal-battle

Who knew people in power used that to benefit themselves.

In other news, the sky is blue.

Well apparently, people here find the Queen to not be at fault despite her being the figure head of country that committed a number of attrocities. They would rather cast all of the blame on the political leaders as though these things occurred and the Queen never had any say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right because if all these places were never colonized they would have all joined hands across Asia or Africa and lived in harmony. The world happens. Wrongs cannot be made right. Blood money doesn't wash away the blood. There is no going back, only forward.

You have some nerve, I have to say,😡. Goes back to the assumption that people living there were savages who would have killed each other. British went to places that they could loot and benefit from. Simple

And, of course, all the colonizers of Africa were also drivers of the slave trade and then used the trade to justify colonization (because of course any non-European group that participated in the trade must be incapable of self-rule).

The colonizers of Africa, aided and abetted by Africans, were also drivers of the slave trade…
FTFY

Africans SOLD slaves.

Arabs bought them and sold them to the British.

The British bought them to resell them in the Colonies.

Quite a feat to ignore everyone in this chain but the British

Liberals like to ignore Africans and Arabs involved in the slave trade. The prefer to patronize Africans and Arabs as people who couldn't possibly be smart enough to be involved in any type of trade.

This is dumb. Slavery existed for ages. Western slavery based on race is different. Slavery, historically, was based on conquering nations and having ownership of the captured and profitting if it was one's desire. The Romans sold slave, as did the people you mentioned; however, the concept of slavery was very different than the brutalization that occured in the Americas.

[Anonymous]

Why Britain owes reparations to India and the rest of the world

https://youtu.be/f7CW7S0zxv4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a prime example of what is wrong with the world. The royals may not have direct political power, but they do have authority indirectly through their relationships with those in power. They also have the hearts of the people who elect the politicians in office. I don't think anyone would force the Queen do anything she wasn't in favor of. For example, discriminating against staff for clerical roles by the Palace https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal.

Charles, the current King, sure as hell wasn't shy to use his influence when it came to lobbying for his interests:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/prince-charles-black-spider-memos-published-after-10-year-legal-battle

Who knew people in power used that to benefit themselves.

In other news, the sky is blue.

Well apparently, people here find the Queen to not be at fault despite her being the figure head of country that committed a number of attrocities. They would rather cast all of the blame on the political leaders as though these things occurred and the Queen never had any say.

Must be galling to realize people prefer the Queen to your yammering about colonialism.