Ivana Trump has died at 73

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The whole family is so revoltingly cringe worthy
No class, no refined vocabu, just into boasting and showing off their money.
I cannot imagine a real old money person, like a titled member of British nobility doing that

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Anonymous wrote:Just speaking hypothetically a child born in the Sudetenland in 1938 could have been:

* born to Jewish parents who had assimilated ( like Madeline Albright's had) - all were later registered as Jewish and sent to the concentration camps
A very young child could have been hidden with neighbors or distant relatives ( it happened ) . Parents taken away and never returned

* born to Ethnic Germans living in Sudetenland who welcomed Nazis or maybe had a child with a German soldier and then, when Russians occupied, parents were executred as collaborators , leaving a young child ( placed with apartchiks )

or some combo of the above

Its also commonly known that the stasi regularly plumbed the orphanages for their loyal employees. The State would have no problem providing documents for purposes of travel

There were other ethnicities too.

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Anonymous wrote:As much as I dislike the family, I think she was an incredible woman. Smart, a good mother, and so much personality.

Curious: how was she a good mother? Would love to learn more to appreciate.

All three of her children are highly, highly dynamic and successful individuals, just like her. So she definitely did something right! Wonderful lady.

They work for their father because that's the only place they could get a job.

"Job". Haha. None of the lazy nitwit kids have ever worked a day in their life. Did the youngest even take the bar exam yet? She had not as of a year ago.

You’re insane. The kids are the opposite of lazy. They went to very good schools where hard work was expected.

That’s funny. 😂😂

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

Are you alleging that they are not actually mother & daughter?

Frankly, Ivana’s life trajectory sounds like that of a Russian spy.

I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.

+1. I can totally see her being a Cold War spy and I can totally see her lying about her age. Even in the 80s she looked older than Donald. I guess the question is, was Donald complicit or was he duped? It would seem he was complicit. She was never attractive. Donald was a born rich playboy. All due respect, he could have done much better.

So it was an arranged marriage?

Maybe.

I favor the idea she was a spy like the red-head Russia sent to infiltrate the GOP.


https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/ex-kgb-spy-covington-jack-barsky/

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Anonymous wrote:Just speaking hypothetically a child born in the Sudetenland in 1938 could have been:

* born to Jewish parents who had assimilated ( like Madeline Albright's had) - all were later registered as Jewish and sent to the concentration camps
A very young child could have been hidden with neighbors or distant relatives ( it happened ) . Parents taken away and never returned

* born to Ethnic Germans living in Sudetenland who welcomed Nazis or maybe had a child with a German soldier and then, when Russians occupied, parents were executred as collaborators , leaving a young child ( placed with apartchiks )

or some combo of the above

Its also commonly known that the stasi regularly plumbed the orphanages for their loyal employees. The State would have no problem providing documents for purposes of travel

This could explain why Ivanka is so into Judaism. She converted to friggin' Orthodox.

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I don’t believe it was an accident.

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What an accomplished woman she was.

When you marry for money, you earn every penny

Yowza! That is a statement.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding her premature aging, I think we have to remember that her horrible plastic surgery made her look disfigured, like a lopsided smooshed up face. She was so pretty before!

We have to remember who hounded her into the plastic surgery, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding her premature aging, I think we have to remember that her horrible plastic surgery made her look disfigured, like a lopsided smooshed up face. She was so pretty before!

Silicone and Botox do destroy the face, but its not her face that is the tell tale- its more her frail body carriage, stooped posture, the neck wrinkles that we all see in other women in their 80's like Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi. The body changes A LOT in that decade from 78-88 and no amount of plastic surgery will hide it.

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I understand Jeff's 48 hour rule, but in this case the wait was excruciatingly painful. We had Trumpsters praising the awful Trump children knowing full well that we were powerless to respond. They deliberately took advantage of Ivana's untimely and tragic death to goad the rest of us. Thank God it's over.

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Anonymous wrote:Just speaking hypothetically a child born in the Sudetenland in 1938 could have been:

* born to Jewish parents who had assimilated ( like Madeline Albright's had) - all were later registered as Jewish and sent to the concentration camps
A very young child could have been hidden with neighbors or distant relatives ( it happened ) . Parents taken away and never returned

* born to Ethnic Germans living in Sudetenland who welcomed Nazis or maybe had a child with a German soldier and then, when Russians occupied, parents were executred as collaborators , leaving a young child ( placed with apartchiks )

or some combo of the above

Its also commonly known that the stasi regularly plumbed the orphanages for their loyal employees. The State would have no problem providing documents for purposes of travel

This could explain why Ivanka is so into Judaism. She converted to friggin' Orthodox.

More to the point it would hypothetically explain why she was acceptable for marriage by the Kershners

normally I would say that is their business but as Trump has always been projecting about " obama's birth certificate" and going full fascist on immigration policy and he continues ot seek higher office , I think the Med examiner should retain a sample for mtDNA cross match and

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding her premature aging, I think we have to remember that her horrible plastic surgery made her look disfigured, like a lopsided smooshed up face. She was so pretty before!

Silicone and Botox do destroy the face, but its not her face that is the tell tale- its more her frail body carriage, stooped posture, the neck wrinkles that we all see in other women in their 80's like Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi. The body changes A LOT in that decade from 78-88 and no amount of plastic surgery will hide it.

+1 all so true (Nancy Reagan was another example)

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I was thinking of the slogan on the back of Melania's green jacket when I heard the news, but had to remember I always tell my dh not to go negative to other peoples' levels.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand Jeff's 48 hour rule, but in this case the wait was excruciatingly painful. We had Trumpsters praising the awful Trump children knowing full well that we were powerless to respond. They deliberately took advantage of Ivana's untimely and tragic death to goad the rest of us. Thank God it's over.

The suffering is real.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at her younger pictures…she was absolutely gorgeous. I think Ivanka is stunning too.

Blech.

You have got to be kidding. She is stunning, and so is Ivanka. Both have impeccable style.

LOL Ivanka's father has impeccable taste in plastic surgeons. That's about it. Those pictures of Ivan that are coming out now, literally look like Halloween costumes. That hair. That face.

I will say that listening to clips of interviews of her these last few days, she sounds like a down-to-earth, sensible and likeable person. But definitely not model material, ever.