Ethics of MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past decade our school is gone from capacity to 20 something percent over capacity. It's really overcrowded. I wish more people would on enroll. They're just not building all these new schools like Woodward fast enough to deal with all the growth. I saw an ad from Blair the other day saying he wanted to build 30,000 more affordable housing units. All I could think about was do we have schools for all those new students?

During the pandemic, our W school brought in a bunch of portables. I guess because of the projected enrollment. They have sat empty for two years.

W's get all the resources.

You do realize each portable costs about $80,000 plus the cost of installation? And you do realize that portables have a history of growing mold that affects the health of teachers and students?

Such a waste. The money would have been better used fixing the HVAC in the school.

The HVAC has nothing to do with portables. The portables are about space and $80K isn't bad for the price.

MCPS is wasting over $80K a unit that isn't even in use? I hope that's reported to the Maryland IG.

Did they use it at one point?

What point would that have been? No need during FY21 because of online learning then hybrid learning the last quarter. They are not being used this year. So no, they have not been used for the two years they have been in place.

BTW the HVAC system is notoriously breaking down. Some classrooms are saunas while others are freezing. The lack of air filtration isn’t great when COVID is a problem in the school. Classes have about 32 students per class so more teachers (including substitutes when teachers are in quarantine) are all things money would be better spent on.

Saying they weren't used as schools were virtual is silly. Come MS and HS, 30+ students is normal at every school. If you want lower numbers in K-3rd, you need to go to a title one or focus school.

30+ students maybe normal in MCPS, however it’s not a best practice in teaching. Teachers are burning out and it’s impossible to meet the individual needs of students at 30+ students. This is especially true given gaps in learning many students have from online learning. MCPS is wasting tons of money instead of focusing on decreasing class sizes and services for students.

Agreed. Just because MCPS is forcing such large class sizes, does not mean it’s best for students. It’s actually terrible.

And also agree that MCPS wastes an incredible amount of money on initiatives that have very little benefit for students.

In order to reduce class sizes, they'd have to bring in more portables or build more schools. But, agree much more can be done.

So the PP who was claiming enrollment was declining has been dismissed as another kook?

The proof of declining enrollment has already been sited in this thread. The discussion moved on to MCPS unethical waste of funds.

It's declining so much they can't build new schools fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth! Sorry but your crazy fictions don't line up with reality the rest of us are living.

Huh? 12 pages and every single point was well-cited. You two clowns were the only two that based their entire narrative on your own fabricated reality!

If you mean just personal anecdoes that are impossible to prove one way or the other sure.

But what about BOCCE!!!!

My kid loves Bocce!

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past decade our school is gone from capacity to 20 something percent over capacity. It's really overcrowded. I wish more people would on enroll. They're just not building all these new schools like Woodward fast enough to deal with all the growth. I saw an ad from Blair the other day saying he wanted to build 30,000 more affordable housing units. All I could think about was do we have schools for all those new students?

During the pandemic, our W school brought in a bunch of portables. I guess because of the projected enrollment. They have sat empty for two years.

W's get all the resources.

You do realize each portable costs about $80,000 plus the cost of installation? And you do realize that portables have a history of growing mold that affects the health of teachers and students?

Such a waste. The money would have been better used fixing the HVAC in the school.

The HVAC has nothing to do with portables. The portables are about space and $80K isn't bad for the price.

MCPS is wasting over $80K a unit that isn't even in use? I hope that's reported to the Maryland IG.

Did they use it at one point?

What point would that have been? No need during FY21 because of online learning then hybrid learning the last quarter. They are not being used this year. So no, they have not been used for the two years they have been in place.

BTW the HVAC system is notoriously breaking down. Some classrooms are saunas while others are freezing. The lack of air filtration isn’t great when COVID is a problem in the school. Classes have about 32 students per class so more teachers (including substitutes when teachers are in quarantine) are all things money would be better spent on.

Saying they weren't used as schools were virtual is silly. Come MS and HS, 30+ students is normal at every school. If you want lower numbers in K-3rd, you need to go to a title one or focus school.

30+ students maybe normal in MCPS, however it’s not a best practice in teaching. Teachers are burning out and it’s impossible to meet the individual needs of students at 30+ students. This is especially true given gaps in learning many students have from online learning. MCPS is wasting tons of money instead of focusing on decreasing class sizes and services for students.

Agreed. Just because MCPS is forcing such large class sizes, does not mean it’s best for students. It’s actually terrible.

And also agree that MCPS wastes an incredible amount of money on initiatives that have very little benefit for students.

In order to reduce class sizes, they'd have to bring in more portables or build more schools. But, agree much more can be done.

So the PP who was claiming enrollment was declining has been dismissed as another kook?

The proof of declining enrollment has already been sited in this thread. The discussion moved on to MCPS unethical waste of funds.

It's declining so much they can't build new schools fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth! Sorry but your crazy fictions don't line up with reality the rest of us are living.

Huh? 12 pages and every single point was well-cited. You two clowns were the only two that based their entire narrative on your own fabricated reality!

If you mean just personal anecdoes that are impossible to prove one way or the other sure.

But what about BOCCE!!!!

My kid loves Bocce!

Mine did too! Best investment evah!

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Anonymous wrote:The MCPS enrollment figures did drop, so not sure why anyone argues about that? The other person cited a SY 2010-11 figure of 144,000? And in 2019 it was 165,267, but then in Sep 7, 2020 dropped to 162,656 and the official Fall 2020 dropped again to 160,564 Students.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-enrollment-down-more-than-2000-students-through-first-week-of-school/

The answer about the class size issue is "it depends." Over half are over-utilized and 19 schools are under-utilized (meaning enrollment numbers are below 80% of the school’s program capacity). This report explains it well:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/01_Introduction.pdf

But I don't think that utilization is the big story here. My question is about who got bigger slices of pie. What's interesting is that some schools lined up for capital improvement are officially under capacity (Poolesville, for example) and some that are crumbling (Ex. Wootton) are kicked to the curb. Ex. Poolesville is way out in the middle of nowhere, is currently underutilized, yet is increasing its seat capacity while Watkins Mill, Springbrook, Magruder, BCC are all 300 over utilization according to this document:
https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/Archive_MP20_EntireBook.pdf

Why? No idea.

So they've gone up like 30% over the past decade but dropped briefly during a pandemic? Umm okay - sounds like your arguing semantics to confuse people into buying into a false narrative here.

The trend over the past couple of years is decreasing enrollment. People have lost faith in MCPS. What is your source to show enrollment will be going up?

The few families I knew that left during DL have now returned. It seems like you're just trying to spin this into something that it isn't.

And the few families I know left and are happy with private. MCPS said people who left during online learning would come back this year but the reality is that numbers declined further.

The date of the county published shows enrollment next year is on the rise. So it looks like people are returning at least most of them.

Please provide the link and enrollment numbers.

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MCPS prioritized PR and spin over teaching students. Why else would they have trolls trying to dispute any complaints about the school system?

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past decade our school is gone from capacity to 20 something percent over capacity. It's really overcrowded. I wish more people would on enroll. They're just not building all these new schools like Woodward fast enough to deal with all the growth. I saw an ad from Blair the other day saying he wanted to build 30,000 more affordable housing units. All I could think about was do we have schools for all those new students?

During the pandemic, our W school brought in a bunch of portables. I guess because of the projected enrollment. They have sat empty for two years.

W's get all the resources.

You do realize each portable costs about $80,000 plus the cost of installation? And you do realize that portables have a history of growing mold that affects the health of teachers and students?

Such a waste. The money would have been better used fixing the HVAC in the school.

The HVAC has nothing to do with portables. The portables are about space and $80K isn't bad for the price.

MCPS is wasting over $80K a unit that isn't even in use? I hope that's reported to the Maryland IG.

Did they use it at one point?

What point would that have been? No need during FY21 because of online learning then hybrid learning the last quarter. They are not being used this year. So no, they have not been used for the two years they have been in place.

BTW the HVAC system is notoriously breaking down. Some classrooms are saunas while others are freezing. The lack of air filtration isn’t great when COVID is a problem in the school. Classes have about 32 students per class so more teachers (including substitutes when teachers are in quarantine) are all things money would be better spent on.

Saying they weren't used as schools were virtual is silly. Come MS and HS, 30+ students is normal at every school. If you want lower numbers in K-3rd, you need to go to a title one or focus school.

30+ students maybe normal in MCPS, however it’s not a best practice in teaching. Teachers are burning out and it’s impossible to meet the individual needs of students at 30+ students. This is especially true given gaps in learning many students have from online learning. MCPS is wasting tons of money instead of focusing on decreasing class sizes and services for students.

Agreed. Just because MCPS is forcing such large class sizes, does not mean it’s best for students. It’s actually terrible.

And also agree that MCPS wastes an incredible amount of money on initiatives that have very little benefit for students.

In order to reduce class sizes, they'd have to bring in more portables or build more schools. But, agree much more can be done.

So the PP who was claiming enrollment was declining has been dismissed as another kook?

The proof of declining enrollment has already been sited in this thread. The discussion moved on to MCPS unethical waste of funds.

It's declining so much they can't build new schools fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth! Sorry but your crazy fictions don't line up with reality the rest of us are living.

Huh? 12 pages and every single point was well-cited. You two clowns were the only two that based their entire narrative on your own fabricated reality!

If you mean just personal anecdoes that are impossible to prove one way or the other sure.

But what about BOCCE!!!!

My kid loves Bocce!

Mine did too! Best investment evah!

Go buy them a set.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past decade our school is gone from capacity to 20 something percent over capacity. It's really overcrowded. I wish more people would on enroll. They're just not building all these new schools like Woodward fast enough to deal with all the growth. I saw an ad from Blair the other day saying he wanted to build 30,000 more affordable housing units. All I could think about was do we have schools for all those new students?

During the pandemic, our W school brought in a bunch of portables. I guess because of the projected enrollment. They have sat empty for two years.

W's get all the resources.

You do realize each portable costs about $80,000 plus the cost of installation? And you do realize that portables have a history of growing mold that affects the health of teachers and students?

Such a waste. The money would have been better used fixing the HVAC in the school.

The HVAC has nothing to do with portables. The portables are about space and $80K isn't bad for the price.

MCPS is wasting over $80K a unit that isn't even in use? I hope that's reported to the Maryland IG.

Did they use it at one point?

What point would that have been? No need during FY21 because of online learning then hybrid learning the last quarter. They are not being used this year. So no, they have not been used for the two years they have been in place.

BTW the HVAC system is notoriously breaking down. Some classrooms are saunas while others are freezing. The lack of air filtration isn’t great when COVID is a problem in the school. Classes have about 32 students per class so more teachers (including substitutes when teachers are in quarantine) are all things money would be better spent on.

Saying they weren't used as schools were virtual is silly. Come MS and HS, 30+ students is normal at every school. If you want lower numbers in K-3rd, you need to go to a title one or focus school.

30+ students maybe normal in MCPS, however it’s not a best practice in teaching. Teachers are burning out and it’s impossible to meet the individual needs of students at 30+ students. This is especially true given gaps in learning many students have from online learning. MCPS is wasting tons of money instead of focusing on decreasing class sizes and services for students.

Agreed. Just because MCPS is forcing such large class sizes, does not mean it’s best for students. It’s actually terrible.

And also agree that MCPS wastes an incredible amount of money on initiatives that have very little benefit for students.

In order to reduce class sizes, they'd have to bring in more portables or build more schools. But, agree much more can be done.

So the PP who was claiming enrollment was declining has been dismissed as another kook?

The proof of declining enrollment has already been sited in this thread. The discussion moved on to MCPS unethical waste of funds.

It's declining so much they can't build new schools fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth! Sorry but your crazy fictions don't line up with reality the rest of us are living.

Huh? 12 pages and every single point was well-cited. You two clowns were the only two that based their entire narrative on your own fabricated reality!

If you mean just personal anecdoes that are impossible to prove one way or the other sure.

But what about BOCCE!!!!

My kid loves Bocce!

Mine did too! Best investment evah!

Yeah! It's the MCPS million dollah club baby!!! And that's how much they spent for your bocce games!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past decade our school is gone from capacity to 20 something percent over capacity. It's really overcrowded. I wish more people would on enroll. They're just not building all these new schools like Woodward fast enough to deal with all the growth. I saw an ad from Blair the other day saying he wanted to build 30,000 more affordable housing units. All I could think about was do we have schools for all those new students?

During the pandemic, our W school brought in a bunch of portables. I guess because of the projected enrollment. They have sat empty for two years.

W's get all the resources.

You do realize each portable costs about $80,000 plus the cost of installation? And you do realize that portables have a history of growing mold that affects the health of teachers and students?

Such a waste. The money would have been better used fixing the HVAC in the school.

The HVAC has nothing to do with portables. The portables are about space and $80K isn't bad for the price.

MCPS is wasting over $80K a unit that isn't even in use? I hope that's reported to the Maryland IG.

Did they use it at one point?

What point would that have been? No need during FY21 because of online learning then hybrid learning the last quarter. They are not being used this year. So no, they have not been used for the two years they have been in place.

BTW the HVAC system is notoriously breaking down. Some classrooms are saunas while others are freezing. The lack of air filtration isn’t great when COVID is a problem in the school. Classes have about 32 students per class so more teachers (including substitutes when teachers are in quarantine) are all things money would be better spent on.

Saying they weren't used as schools were virtual is silly. Come MS and HS, 30+ students is normal at every school. If you want lower numbers in K-3rd, you need to go to a title one or focus school.

30+ students maybe normal in MCPS, however it’s not a best practice in teaching. Teachers are burning out and it’s impossible to meet the individual needs of students at 30+ students. This is especially true given gaps in learning many students have from online learning. MCPS is wasting tons of money instead of focusing on decreasing class sizes and services for students.

Agreed. Just because MCPS is forcing such large class sizes, does not mean it’s best for students. It’s actually terrible.

And also agree that MCPS wastes an incredible amount of money on initiatives that have very little benefit for students.

In order to reduce class sizes, they'd have to bring in more portables or build more schools. But, agree much more can be done.

So the PP who was claiming enrollment was declining has been dismissed as another kook?

The proof of declining enrollment has already been sited in this thread. The discussion moved on to MCPS unethical waste of funds.

It's declining so much they can't build new schools fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth! Sorry but your crazy fictions don't line up with reality the rest of us are living.

Huh? 12 pages and every single point was well-cited. You two clowns were the only two that based their entire narrative on your own fabricated reality!

If you mean just personal anecdoes that are impossible to prove one way or the other sure.

But what about BOCCE!!!!

My kid loves Bocce!

Mine did too! Best investment evah!

Yeah! It's the MCPS million dollah club baby!!! And that's how much they spent for your bocce games!!!

Bocce sets for all 160k kids that's a deal!

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(Er. Only 40 schools.) But 160K is a bargain!!!!

[Anonymous]

Ethics in MCPS - my personal experience:

Staff withholding examples of my child’s work even when specifically requested.

Teacher sending home a writing assignment that was supposed to be an in class test.

No penalties for turning in work late and no clear record keeping for assignments turned in late.

At IEP meetings - Staff referring to documents not provided with 5 days notice nor present so team can review. Staff admitting to not measuring child’s progress by the measurement standards in IEP. No teacher reports or work examples to review to discuss child’s progress.

IEP modified outside of a team meeting.

No follow up by MCPS administrators to bring school in compliance.

No concerns for child’s lack of progress due to a lack of implementation of the IEP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(Er. Only 40 schools.) But 160K is a bargain!!!!

but but but Bocce-GHAZI!!!!