Anyone's child get off the waitlist?

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Anonymous wrote:UVAs waitlist is closed as of today.

Did UVA's ever even open this year?

We got an email from W&M a few days ago basically saying no waitlist movement this year.

Cool story, bro, but I asked about UVA.

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Some schools don’t even have waitlists. You can apply to those if you don’t like the idea of one.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid got off Tufts waitlist last week.

Welcome to Tufts! Our kid is going and we know several others who are going.

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Student from a family we are close with got off the CalTech waitlist around a week ago. Was committed to WashU in STL. They were very excited since they were dejected with how the process initially shook out as the kid is extremely talented but got waitlisted/rejected at all their top options.

Does UChicago not take into account legacy status for RD? Was really surprised to hear when this student was rejected from there despite his parent being an alum.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Is this true? Can you point to a source? I know early decision is supposed to be binding but didn’t see anything about being prohibited from putting down a deposit on two schools. I agree it’s better to make a decision and pick one but could see situations where it may be warranted.

https://www.collegesolutions.com/blog-articles/can-you-double-deposit

Yes, it's in the fine print on the final screen of the Common Application. So if you violate that and get caught, every school could potentially pull your acceptance. I wish colleges would do that. It's an ethical violation for a reason.



And when exactly would it be warranted? I'm really curious the mental gymnastics that would get you to that position.
I'm guessing similar mental gymnastics as to why kids lie on their college applications?

Schools will never enforce that provision for the same reason they will never enforce ED provisions- in both cases the provisions are anti competive cartel behavior that are better off as an unchallenged threat than getting overturned in court.

Whether or not ED and deposit rules are anticompetitive, no one is suing now over them, which they could do, so no one's going to sue because they want their $500 back after breaking the rules.

The deposit is liquidated damages - the school takes your $500 and moves on. They're not going to be able to figure out easily that you also had a deposit somewhere else vs. just got off waitlist. Enforcement isn't a good use of time.

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

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Villanova closed their waitlist.

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Case is “far better” than UVA in STEM. There, I said it!

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Anonymous wrote:The ONLY time I can see it as morally acceptable is if it's done way before May 1 (deadline for acceptances at most universities) and it's done at a school where an early deposit helps ensure better housing (or simply on campus housing freshman year at all). So unless you are accepted to several schools with this criteria (my 2 kids applied to 25 universities and only had 1 where this was the case), you can morally put the deposit down at one and then as soon as you decide where you will actually be attending (ie put the deposit at the other), then you pull your acceptance at first school. So really it's not a double deposit, because this would be done before May 1 deadline.

But really the need to secure better housing is the only ethical reason to do it that I can come up with. And any university that does this probably knows this happens, and also probably doesn't refund those deposits---all part of their game. And ethically, you are not going past the may 1 deadline with 2 acceptances, you'd pull one of them by May 1

**I really wish someone had told me this before my oldest went to college. He was accepted at an EA school that was probably his first choice, wanted to see if he got into his reach, so waited, didn't get in and finally accepted EA only to find out he got a shitty place in the housing preference list which we could have avoided with a $500 deposit. Now paying thousands extra in off campus housing even though he was admitted in early round. It is OK to do it in this sense and I will do so with my second kid if she gets the chance.

Yes---IMO, it is ethically ok to do in this sense. You might loose the Housing deposit, but at many schools it's the only way to get good housing. As long as you pull your acceptance by May 1/the same day you put a final deposit at your kid's final choice I think it's ethical. But for anything else, it's wrong and contributes to the huge WLs.

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Case is “far better” than UVA in STEM. There, I said it!

+1000 Only reason to choose UVA over Case for stem is finances. Academically there is no comparison

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Why consider a school other than UVA? For so many, the experience of meeting people from different parts of the country and living in a new area is an extremely positive one for growth and development. For the N. VA student, UVA really is "the 13th year of high school".

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Why consider a school other than UVA? For so many, the experience of meeting people from different parts of the country and living in a new area is an extremely positive one for growth and development. For the N. VA student, UVA really is "the 13th year of high school".

My DS doesn't even know the kids in his own school that got accepted to UVA too. I think there's only 6 of them too. That's not exactly the 13th year of HS>

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Why consider a school other than UVA? For so many, the experience of meeting people from different parts of the country and living in a new area is an extremely positive one for growth and development. For the N. VA student, UVA really is "the 13th year of high school".

Whether your kid "knows" them or not is not the issue. "the 13th year of HS" simply means that UVA is an environment that has a lot of kids from NoVA that are very similar to all the kids you went to HS with. Whether it's your HS or the neighboring one, there are a lot of kids from NoVA at UVA. Go out of state where there is a different blend of students and your kid will meet different people from different walks of life.


My DS doesn't even know the kids in his own school that got accepted to UVA too. I think there's only 6 of them too. That's not exactly the 13th year of HS>

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Why consider a school other than UVA? For so many, the experience of meeting people from different parts of the country and living in a new area is an extremely positive one for growth and development. For the N. VA student, UVA really is "the 13th year of high school".

My DS doesn't even know the kids in his own school that got accepted to UVA too. I think there's only 6 of them too. That's not exactly the 13th year of HS>

It isn't about knowing specific kids but instead about being exposed to different backgrounds, areas, traditions, etc. With the vast majority of those at UVA being from the same geographical area that is just not going to happen than it will at a school elsewhere. Nothing awful about that and I have had one attend and thrive at UVA but the logistics are what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:DD waitlisted at Case Western. She keeps getting emails asking if it's her first choice, and she says yes. Her stats are way higher than CW's averages, yet they put her on the waitlist. I suspect it's because she didn't visit the school. She was hoping to get accepted before visiting. She's already accepted UVA, but still would go to Case if they accepted her. This waitlist thing is strange.

If you’re a VA resident sticking with UVA is a no brainer.

Why is it a no brainer? Cost isn't everything.

UVA is a far better school. I also find it strange to consider Case for anything in comparison to UVA.

Why consider a school other than UVA? For so many, the experience of meeting people from different parts of the country and living in a new area is an extremely positive one for growth and development. For the N. VA student, UVA really is "the 13th year of high school".

This is what the parents of kids who aren't getting in are programmed to say.