APS COVID Tests for Spring Break - What percentage do you estimate are going straight in the trash?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

[Anonymous]

You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

I still care and worry about kids getting COVID, diabetes, etc. Seems nothing will convince you otherwise anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

Could be because of lack of physical activity and access to nutritious food when school were closed.

[Anonymous]

Correlation is not causation is what they drum into your head if you get an education on research and do these things for a living.

Why? Because otherwise you really just don’t know and many times the “obvious” conclusion does not turn out to be correct. Sorry that’s so upsetting.

If a definitive connection is made, the next question would be how much is the elevated risk. Then parents can do something with that information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

Why is posting information that points out the research isn’t definitive on this topic so threatening? Shouldn’t that be good news?

Of course most of us want to avoid covid infection for ourselves and our kids and take various precautions that make sense for us. And it’s also possible to live in a world where a person is not completely hysterical about the thought of an infection happening either. Both things can be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

Could be because of lack of physical activity and access to nutritious food when school were closed.

Yup.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/experts-criticize-cdc-report-on-covid-19-and-diabetes-risk-in-kids

Worth further study but the study they did was crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

Could be because of lack of physical activity and access to nutritious food when school were closed.

Okay, but I'm pretty sure it's being caused by the masks. Or by the books about gender identity.

The kids had covid and then they got diabetes. If the diabetes was caused by lack of food and exercise, you should also be seeing it in kids who never had covid. That was not what the study showed. But I'm sure they wanted to mute the message that covid had serious risks for kids so mission accomplished I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

Could be because of lack of physical activity and access to nutritious food when school were closed.

Moron. Kids are not getting type 2 after covid. They’re being diagnosed with type 1. This is not at all shocking. Type 1 is an autoimmune condition triggered by ANY virus. But go on with you’re uniformed spouting of “facts”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're right. These are not controlled study. It's a total mystery HOW IT IT POSSIBLE that these kids are suddenly, for some reason, after having contracted covid, also contracting pediatric diabetes, whereas before the pandemic there was not a similar number of kids getting pediatric diabetes out of nowhere. IT IS A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA SEALED WITH SHERLOCK HOLMES'S COCAINE. How could this be happening? Is it dogs?

You're totally right. Everything is fine.

Could be because of lack of physical activity and access to nutritious food when school were closed.

Moron. Kids are not getting type 2 after covid. They’re being diagnosed with type 1. This is not at all shocking. Type 1 is an autoimmune condition triggered by ANY virus. But go on with you’re uniformed spouting of “facts”

So this was one of the issues with the CDC study. They pooled all types of diabetes together.

“In reaction to the report, several public health experts have highlighted the study’s limitations: The analysis did not account for childhood obesity, other underlying conditions, medications, race or ethnicity, and it pooled all types of diabetes together.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

Why is posting information that points out the research isn’t definitive on this topic so threatening? Shouldn’t that be good news?

Of course most of us want to avoid covid infection for ourselves and our kids and take various precautions that make sense for us. And it’s also possible to live in a world where a person is not completely hysterical about the thought of an infection happening either. Both things can be true.

I’m not threatened by it, however, using this to justify allowing kids to become infected when we still don’t know the full scope of long-term effects is problematic. As the article states, we should still reduce the risk of infecting children. And yes one can still be proactively cautious yet not hysterical. For example, my kids are masking indoors during this current surge. Why not mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading COVID?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

Why is posting information that points out the research isn’t definitive on this topic so threatening? Shouldn’t that be good news?

Of course most of us want to avoid covid infection for ourselves and our kids and take various precautions that make sense for us. And it’s also possible to live in a world where a person is not completely hysterical about the thought of an infection happening either. Both things can be true.

I’m not threatened by it, however, using this to justify allowing kids to become infected when we still don’t know the full scope of long-term effects is problematic. As the article states, we should still reduce the risk of infecting children. And yes one can still be proactively cautious yet not hysterical. For example, my kids are masking indoors during this current surge. Why not mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading COVID?

Not everyone shares your risk assessment point of view. Not everyone is valuing the trade offs regarding various risks in the same way you are. Not everyone is making the same decisions about how to reduce risks in their own lives as you are. This does not mean they are morons or covid deniers or Trumpsters or anti-maskers or mouth breathers. Reasonable people really can disagree on this topic. The time period of mandating everyone behave exactly the way you would like them to behave is over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

Why is posting information that points out the research isn’t definitive on this topic so threatening? Shouldn’t that be good news?

Of course most of us want to avoid covid infection for ourselves and our kids and take various precautions that make sense for us. And it’s also possible to live in a world where a person is not completely hysterical about the thought of an infection happening either. Both things can be true.

I’m not threatened by it, however, using this to justify allowing kids to become infected when we still don’t know the full scope of long-term effects is problematic. As the article states, we should still reduce the risk of infecting children. And yes one can still be proactively cautious yet not hysterical. For example, my kids are masking indoors during this current surge. Why not mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading COVID?

Not everyone shares your risk assessment point of view. Not everyone is valuing the trade offs regarding various risks in the same way you are. Not everyone is making the same decisions about how to reduce risks in their own lives as you are. This does not mean they are morons or covid deniers or Trumpsters or anti-maskers or mouth breathers. Reasonable people really can disagree on this topic. The time period of mandating everyone behave exactly the way you would like them to behave is over.

Right. Some people have chosen not to be cautious at all right now, and that's part of why Arlington's numbers are so high and why some APS kindergarteners are watching movies in class instead of learning. If you care about school, now might be a good time to consider encouraging your family to take additional precautions so that this surge ends as quickly as possible. End of year testing for SOLs and AP exams is coming up, and various end of year social celebrations that kids usually really enjoy, and there's going to be considerable disruption if a bunch of teachers and kids are missing out because they have covid.

I mean, you do you, but since you care about school so much, it seems like those disruptions are things you would want to avoid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids in APS and things don’t seem to be falling apart at all.

Interesting.

I know tons of APS families down with COVID. It’s spreading like crazy out there!

+1

Highest levels aside from the omicron winter wave.

And? COVID will be here forever, and everyone will get it. We've all had it and are done with any of this nonsense testing or restrictions. Living normal and not even thinking about it.

And it's super disruptive if tons of teachers and kids are out sick. Do you shrug at a norovirus outbreak? Just resign yourself to puking for three days? I'm not gojng to stick my head in the sand and have my family catch covid and spend a week or more feeling awful. We should all be outside as much as possible and masking inside with well fitting N95s/KN95s. There's a wave right now. Let's take sensible measures.

Serious question. Do you think the masking helped in January? I know your answer will be yes. My answer would be probably some but also not as much as you think it did. I've seen how little kids wear masks. I've also seen what the high school kids do on the weekends and how much the mask is around their chins.

You all think we have way more control than we really do. That we could just mask harder and this would stop happening to us collectively. No. The wave is going to come and go. If you personally really want to do everything possible to make sure you and your family don't get it during this wave, which will go on regardless and would be happening even if there was still an APS mask mandate, wear an N95 at all times and put the fear of god in your children and tell them not to eat snack in class and hope that they actually wear their mask correctly all day. That's really the best you're going to be able to do anymore. Also, don't go inside unmasked with anyone. Those are all things within your control.

I do think masks help. I also think it would help if adults would tell their kids that there is a wave and we expect it to last 3-4 weeks. During that time we should all mask up properly and do what we can to keep others healthy. It won't last forever. Let's buckle down for a few weeks.

For teens there are important events like AP tests, senior activities, sports matches, etc, and we want everyone to stay healthy so they can attend. You should wear a mask so you stay healthy and can attend and so your friends can too. The same goes for younger students too. My elementary students are masking up so they can go to their dance recital, birthday parties and soccer games. Unlike January the weather is good now. We can all open windows and be outside as much as possible.

I'm not some extremist who thinks we should all stay home and close schools. But I also think it's ridiculous that we ignore a wave that is making many people sick right now. Kids and teens take their cues from adults and right now many adults are sending a shitty message that masks don't matter. Change the message.

How do you know people haven't said these things to their kids and the kids still don't wear their masks?

Not being snarky. Going mask optional just made it really difficult to force the younger kids to wear the masks. There was a lot behind the group norming and uniformity of everyone is wearing it.

We had a school assembly and those parents weren't wearing masks either. It's a pretty darn good correlation between parents and kids.

Oh. Because I wear a mask indoors and I have a child with glasses who has hated masking the entire time and her teacher told me when I asked that she was liberally not wearing her mask during the day ("forgetting" after snack or recess) or putting it under her nose but the teacher can't say anything to her.

But keep judging. Says a lot about you that you have "those parents" all sorted out and know who each child's parents are though.

So your read of what I said is that I was specifically talking about you and your special snowflake? Perhaps in addition to working on your parenting skills, you should also work on your reading comprehension.

It's clear many parents are not sending the message that masking is important. Read this thread if you want evidence.

It's an example that should make you realize, gee maybe I don't have all the information about everyone's situation. Wow, I think I know all the things and I tend to make a lot of assumptions and judge people. Maybe I should think twice about that.

That kind of a-ha moment.

I have more than enough information to know that masking is important and that we're in a surge that should last for a few weeks. I also don't buy into some notion that we should throw our hands in the air and give up completely on trying to prevent spread because of a few special snowflakes. So what's your point because I don't see one.

Dear god some of you will just never stop. You know all the things about all the people all the time and how everyone should behave. Insufferable.

Calling the kid with the glasses a snowflake a couple times is also obnoxious and not as funny as you think it is.

Have you really never heard of science? We know how covid is transmitted. One kid with glasses doesn't change the science, nor whether the community should try to stop the spread to keep people healthy.

We've also been wearing masks for more than a year now. If you can't sort how to wear a mask with glasses, then you haven't tried very hard. Signed, glasses wearer.

So the science says with good vaccines and anti virals in play and a community with low hospitalization and death rates, children in school need to mask to as near zero as covid as we can get?

I think that's what you say, not what science says. CDC doesn't even say kids need to mask in a medium transmission County. CDC says if you are at high risk for severe illness, talk to your health care provider about whether you should wear a mask.

But wait, I know. CDC doesn't follow the science. You do.

It makes zero sense for kids to go unmasked to school during a period of high or substantial transmission, like we are having now. It’s great that hospitals aren’t full but we’re essentially intentionally infecting kids with this virus now. That is not a great public health strategy and I think the CDC really messed up and got it wrong, giving into political pressure regarding masks. We could have done more to keep kids safe and healthy, especially just as more information comes out about long-term effects of COVID infection on children.

What is the more information? I would be interested to see any controlled studies. Not just media coverage of anecdotes. The only controlled studies I have seen say it’s rare in kids and resolves. But would genuinely be interested to see additional info.

Increased pediatric diabetes in children post-COVID is one example.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Not controlled studies. This explains why problematic.

https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/can-covid-19-cause-diabetes-in-children

What you posted isn’t even that reassuring, nor does it minimize possible long-term consequences of pediatric COVID. From your source.

“It has been suggested that the virus that causes COVID‑19 can directly attack beta cells, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin. What happens after the virus infects beta cells isn't completely understood yet.

If your child had COVID‑19, it's important to monitor their health for any potential lasting effects and to contact their pediatrician with any concerns.

Lastly, Dr. Adhikari encourages parents to continue to take steps to reduce the risk of COVID‑19 infection.”

Why is posting information that points out the research isn’t definitive on this topic so threatening? Shouldn’t that be good news?

Of course most of us want to avoid covid infection for ourselves and our kids and take various precautions that make sense for us. And it’s also possible to live in a world where a person is not completely hysterical about the thought of an infection happening either. Both things can be true.

I’m not threatened by it, however, using this to justify allowing kids to become infected when we still don’t know the full scope of long-term effects is problematic. As the article states, we should still reduce the risk of infecting children. And yes one can still be proactively cautious yet not hysterical. For example, my kids are masking indoors during this current surge. Why not mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading COVID?

Not everyone shares your risk assessment point of view. Not everyone is valuing the trade offs regarding various risks in the same way you are. Not everyone is making the same decisions about how to reduce risks in their own lives as you are. This does not mean they are morons or covid deniers or Trumpsters or anti-maskers or mouth breathers. Reasonable people really can disagree on this topic. The time period of mandating everyone behave exactly the way you would like them to behave is over.

Right. Some people have chosen not to be cautious at all right now, and that's part of why Arlington's numbers are so high and why some APS kindergarteners are watching movies in class instead of learning. If you care about school, now might be a good time to consider encouraging your family to take additional precautions so that this surge ends as quickly as possible. End of year testing for SOLs and AP exams is coming up, and various end of year social celebrations that kids usually really enjoy, and there's going to be considerable disruption if a bunch of teachers and kids are missing out because they have covid.

I mean, you do you, but since you care about school so much, it seems like those disruptions are things you would want to avoid.

Are you still believing this crap? If only people masked harder?

Our numbers are the same as places that haven't masked in over a year and the same as places that masked harder than here (although those places are difficult to find because of mask fanatics like yourself).

The only reason kids are watching movies in class in Arlington is because of the hysterical reaction to the pandemic. My relatives in Texas are actually having classes in school.

If you want to mask forever (which is what you're pushing, considering COVID is never going away), then you're free to do so yourself. You can keep all the rituals you want.