Did MCPS do a sneaky thing for the magnet lotteries?

[Anonymous]

Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

I am not understanding if this is evidence of transparency or lack of transparency? Seems to me that at the minimum it is evidence of poor communication. Is the CogAT for placement or something else? They are so transparent that no one knows what methodology they will use this year. The problem for MCPS is that it is easy for people to infer bad intent because they are continually so sloppy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

Wow, thank you for sharing. Very helpful document.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

I am not understanding if this is evidence of transparency or lack of transparency? Seems to me that at the minimum it is evidence of poor communication. Is the CogAT for placement or something else? They are so transparent that no one knows what methodology they will use this year. The problem for MCPS is that it is easy for people to infer bad intent because they are continually so sloppy.

Even if they were to explain you'd fail to grasp it and just complain so I understand why they don't bother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

Wow, thank you for sharing. Very helpful document.

I get why they test 3rd, 5th and 8th but what's with testing 7th graders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

I am not understanding if this is evidence of transparency or lack of transparency? Seems to me that at the minimum it is evidence of poor communication. Is the CogAT for placement or something else? They are so transparent that no one knows what methodology they will use this year. The problem for MCPS is that it is easy for people to infer bad intent because they are continually so sloppy.

Even if they were to explain you'd fail to grasp it and just complain so I understand why they don't bother.

So you can certainly explain to me in detail how they are using CogAT this year and what other criteria are going to applied and how in detail?

You seem to have a problem insulting people but this will be a 3rd year in a row that MCPS has used a different process and the idea that it is well documented is just untrue. Otherwise it would not be a surprise to people that they are administering CogAT this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if a student “prepped” which means that they were prepared for enriched learning then that means that they should not receive enriched learning? I’m not sure I’m understanding the argument here.

BTW, my kid went to CES with no “prep” and we don’t know anyone who did.

It's like this: The point of a "GT" program is to identify kids who are gifted. Those who learn differently, not just those who have been exposed to more material by the same age. I'm not a fan of the "cram school" accusations on this thread, because they reek of racist dog whistles, but even without those dog whistles, MCPS is not in the business (nor should they be) of getting into an arms race with parents, in which parents rush to expose kids to more and more material outside of school and school just picks up where RSM left off.

If MCPS truly wants to have a "gifted" program, they have to figure out how to identify kids who learn differently.

Now, in reality, any GT program is going to have a mix of truly gifted kids and just above average hard workers. But the previous system was leaving a lot of talent behind because it was set up in a way to be nearly inaccessible to certain communities. That's what MCPS is trying to address now, with some success.

Agree but that seems unfathomable to some. Personally what MCPS has done prior to the lottery seemed moderate and reasonable to me, but I'm also not a fan of how the lottery has panned out. Even more talented kids are being left out.

I'm the PP and I don't know anyone who thinks the "85% lottery" is a good plan. But I also think it would be a mistake to look at that plan as anything but the best of bad options in a pandemic. MCPS could not administer the CoGAT in a virtual learning environment. Not only would cheating be rampant, but the test company forbids it.

So...what do you do when one of the only aptitude-based tests is off the table? How do you find the gifted kid whose MAP scores aren't great because their school didn't get to the entire curriculum that year and they don't have access to outside enrichment? You kind of toss it all up in the air and hope it works out. It's not a great situation, but taking kids based solely on MAP scores also isn't a great solution.

Hopefully this year is more normal, and MCPS continues to figure out how to best serve the actual goal of gifted programs, which is to identify kids who need a different kind of instruction and/or who would not have a peer group in their home school.

For most people, I think the obvious solution has always been to create more seats. 2% of 4th and 5th graders are in CES. There are even fewer seats for MS magnets. Why have this level of rationing when as you admit, prior and current options are "leaving talent behind"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

Wow, thank you for sharing. Very helpful document.

I get why they test 3rd, 5th and 8th but what's with testing 7th graders?

I'm assuming it has something to do with this: "All Grade 2 students are screened for gifted and talented identification during the second semester of the school year. Students in grades 3, 5 and 7 who are new to Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) or who have been recommended for re-screening are also screened each school year."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/enriched/about/faq.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

Wow, thank you for sharing. Very helpful document.

I get why they test 3rd, 5th and 8th but what's with testing 7th graders?

I'm assuming it has something to do with this: "All Grade 2 students are screened for gifted and talented identification during the second semester of the school year. Students in grades 3, 5 and 7 who are new to Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) or who have been recommended for re-screening are also screened each school year."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/enriched/about/faq.aspx

So are they testing to have Cogat as a criterion for magnet selection or just GT identification for kids new to the system?

[Anonymous]

I get why they test 3rd, 5th and 8th but what's with testing 7th graders?

I'm assuming it has something to do with this: "All Grade 2 students are screened for gifted and talented identification during the second semester of the school year. Students in grades 3, 5 and 7 who are new to Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) or who have been recommended for re-screening are also screened each school year."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/enriched/about/faq.aspx


So are they testing to have Cogat as a criterion for magnet selection or just GT identification for kids new to the system?

Well, I'm going to assume that it's for magnet because of its use in 3, 5, and 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is distressing is that it's politically correct on this board and in MCPS in general to say racist things about Asian Americans cheating and taking advantage of the system but not about other minority groups. It's really painful to see how our neighbors think.

Yeah, right. Look at all those Blacks and Hispanics enrolled into A+ CogAt prep Saturday school to take advantage of the system.
STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparency is not MCPS’s skill set. They will do whatever they can to reach their predetermined goal. MCPS doesn’t care how they impact individual students with their duplicitous agendas.

It's funny I found the information that was on their website in the past thorough and helpful. It seems like a lot of people just jump to these conclusions without ever trying to find answers for themselves.

Speaking of which (NP), it looks like CogAT for Grade 5 select students is November 8-19, 2021.
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=001338515728546311657:vstdz3h-7gq&q=https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/calendar/0455.21_2021_22_Calendar_Web.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjDhKGRi6LzAhWlElkFHf6dAJ4QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw2n6YWnLouhn6gP-vZapG-5

I am not understanding if this is evidence of transparency or lack of transparency? Seems to me that at the minimum it is evidence of poor communication. Is the CogAT for placement or something else? They are so transparent that no one knows what methodology they will use this year. The problem for MCPS is that it is easy for people to infer bad intent because they are continually so sloppy.

Even if they were to explain you'd fail to grasp it and just complain so I understand why they don't bother.

So you can certainly explain to me in detail how they are using CogAT this year and what other criteria are going to applied and how in detail?

You seem to have a problem insulting people but this will be a 3rd year in a row that MCPS has used a different process and the idea that it is well documented is just untrue. Otherwise it would not be a surprise to people that they are administering CogAT this year.

It sounds like they're using the pre-pandemic process. This would make perfect sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is distressing is that it's politically correct on this board and in MCPS in general to say racist things about Asian Americans cheating and taking advantage of the system but not about other minority groups. It's really painful to see how our neighbors think.

Yeah, right. Look at all those Blacks and Hispanics enrolled into A+ CogAt prep Saturday school to take advantage of the system.
STFU.

So much anger and hate! Please chill.