5yo hit and killed in Brookland last night

[Anonymous]

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People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t sound like the child was hit in the crosswalk in front of the driver’s stop sign. It sounds like he stopped, no pedestrians were at the intersection, he proceeded through the intersection, and she entered the crosswalk on the opposite side of the intersection from where the driver had stopped, just as he was about to cross it. The poor child must hhave had some speed if she was unable to stop. Very tragic for all involved. I will pray for her parents and the driver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Neighbors whole where there disagree with police statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Neighbors whole where there disagree with police statement.

Neighbors who actually witnessed the incident and spoken out about it - where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t sound like the child was hit in the crosswalk in front of the driver’s stop sign. It sounds like he stopped, no pedestrians were at the intersection, he proceeded through the intersection, and she entered the crosswalk on the opposite side of the intersection from where the driver had stopped, just as he was about to cross it. The poor child must hhave had some speed if she was unable to stop. Very tragic for all involved. I will pray for her parents and the driver.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A five year old on a scooter or bike should be on the sidewalk or right next to a parent. Unless the van was driving on the sidewalk, I don't know why you would assume it was the driver's fault.

The child was in a crosswalk. There's no way for a driver to kill her unless they ran the stop sign. Even if the child got out ahead of her parents, an attentive driver who stopped at the sign would STILL have been able to stop.

Not necessarily. Just a few days ago I stopped at a 4 way stop, stopped and had eyes on every single pedestrian, and was going slowly forward while looking around and a kid (probably middle schoolers? Old enough to know better) somehow hurtled himself across the crosswalk directly in front of my car. I don’t even remember if I managed to hit the brake or if he ran away, but I remember he had the deer in the headlights look and I am still shaken. I followed all laws and was being very careful and still almost killed a kid.

And anyone who has hit a deer can tell you that you can do everything right, morally and legally, and still hit something or someone who hurtles into the path of a moving vehicle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t sound like the child was hit in the crosswalk in front of the driver’s stop sign. It sounds like he stopped, no pedestrians were at the intersection, he proceeded through the intersection, and she entered the crosswalk on the opposite side of the intersection from where the driver had stopped, just as he was about to cross it. The poor child must hhave had some speed if she was unable to stop. Very tragic for all involved. I will pray for her parents and the driver.

5 year olds don’t bike that fast. She was almost certainly in the crosswalk, and the driver did not look/did not see her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A five year old on a scooter or bike should be on the sidewalk or right next to a parent. Unless the van was driving on the sidewalk, I don't know why you would assume it was the driver's fault.

The child was in a crosswalk. There's no way for a driver to kill her unless they ran the stop sign. Even if the child got out ahead of her parents, an attentive driver who stopped at the sign would STILL have been able to stop.

Not necessarily. Just a few days ago I stopped at a 4 way stop, stopped and had eyes on every single pedestrian, and was going slowly forward while looking around and a kid (probably middle schoolers? Old enough to know better) somehow hurtled himself across the crosswalk directly in front of my car. I don’t even remember if I managed to hit the brake or if he ran away, but I remember he had the deer in the headlights look and I am still shaken. I followed all laws and was being very careful and still almost killed a kid.

And anyone who has hit a deer can tell you that you can do everything right, morally and legally, and still hit something or someone who hurtles into the path of a moving vehicle.

she was 5 - she wasn’t “hurtling” anywhere. and the driver was crossing a crosswalk, where he should have been expecting and looking for pedestrians/bikers. this scenario is nothing at all like hitting a deer. we don’t have all the facts, but it is FAR from established that the driver was not at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Based on how quickly the definitive statement about the driver having come to a complete stop was issued, I had wondered about dash cam and/or other video.

Eye with see statements are notoriously inaccurate. It’s good that there is video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Based on how quickly the definitive statement about the driver having come to a complete stop was issued, I had wondered about dash cam and/or other video.

Eye with see statements are notoriously inaccurate. It’s good that there is video.

sure. and even if the driver came to a complete stop, that does not absolve him of fault. you’re supposed to make sure nobody is in the crosswalk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t sound like the child was hit in the crosswalk in front of the driver’s stop sign. It sounds like he stopped, no pedestrians were at the intersection, he proceeded through the intersection, and she entered the crosswalk on the opposite side of the intersection from where the driver had stopped, just as he was about to cross it. The poor child must hhave had some speed if she was unable to stop. Very tragic for all involved. I will pray for her parents and the driver.

5 year olds don’t bike that fast. She was almost certainly in the crosswalk, and the driver did not look/did not see her.

I heard there is a hill/slope there. A five year old could very easily pick up too much speed and not be adept or experienced enough to slow down or stop in time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A five year old on a scooter or bike should be on the sidewalk or right next to a parent. Unless the van was driving on the sidewalk, I don't know why you would assume it was the driver's fault.

The child was in a crosswalk. There's no way for a driver to kill her unless they ran the stop sign. Even if the child got out ahead of her parents, an attentive driver who stopped at the sign would STILL have been able to stop.

Not necessarily. Just a few days ago I stopped at a 4 way stop, stopped and had eyes on every single pedestrian, and was going slowly forward while looking around and a kid (probably middle schoolers? Old enough to know better) somehow hurtled himself across the crosswalk directly in front of my car. I don’t even remember if I managed to hit the brake or if he ran away, but I remember he had the deer in the headlights look and I am still shaken. I followed all laws and was being very careful and still almost killed a kid.

And anyone who has hit a deer can tell you that you can do everything right, morally and legally, and still hit something or someone who hurtles into the path of a moving vehicle.

No the case here. He didn’t realize he hit her until he was fully thru the intersection.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Based on how quickly the definitive statement about the driver having come to a complete stop was issued, I had wondered about dash cam and/or other video.

Eye with see statements are notoriously inaccurate. It’s good that there is video.

sure. and even if the driver came to a complete stop, that does not absolve him of fault. you’re supposed to make sure nobody is in the crosswalk.

There wasn't anyone in the crosswalk when the car accelerated into motion. The kid was on a bike which increased its velocity to speeds it wouldn't have been able to obtain on its own feet. On top of that - no one has mentioned that area of 14th Street is at the crest of elevation marking the difference between downtown and the upper neighborhoods. It's a slow-rising hill you easily see when you're riding North from downtown. Which would have made the bike faster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Based on how quickly the definitive statement about the driver having come to a complete stop was issued, I had wondered about dash cam and/or other video.

Eye with see statements are notoriously inaccurate. It’s good that there is video.

sure. and even if the driver came to a complete stop, that does not absolve him of fault. you’re supposed to make sure nobody is in the crosswalk.

There wasn't anyone in the crosswalk when the car accelerated into motion. The kid was on a bike which increased its velocity to speeds it wouldn't have been able to obtain on its own feet. On top of that - no one has mentioned that area of 14th Street is at the crest of elevation marking the difference between downtown and the upper neighborhoods. It's a slow-rising hill you easily see when you're riding North from downtown. Which would have made the bike faster.

But he didn’t see her approaching the crosswalk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are angry with the driver for things he did not do.

Of course we are. He did not drive his vehicle in a safe manner and that lead to the death of a 5 year old girl.

According to the police, you are wrong.

the police aren’t the final fact finders.

Actually they are. They were able to release a quick, definitive statement because vehicles of that order have dash cams. The child rushed into an intersection after the vehicle, which had come to a complete stop, was already in motion.

Ask the parent if they were monitoring the child appropriately or texting on their phone at the time. I'm sure their phone records would be illuminating.

Based on how quickly the definitive statement about the driver having come to a complete stop was issued, I had wondered about dash cam and/or other video.

Eye with see statements are notoriously inaccurate. It’s good that there is video.

sure. and even if the driver came to a complete stop, that does not absolve him of fault. you’re supposed to make sure nobody is in the crosswalk.

There wasn't anyone in the crosswalk when the car accelerated into motion. The kid was on a bike which increased its velocity to speeds it wouldn't have been able to obtain on its own feet. On top of that - no one has mentioned that area of 14th Street is at the crest of elevation marking the difference between downtown and the upper neighborhoods. It's a slow-rising hill you easily see when you're riding North from downtown. Which would have made the bike faster.

But he didn’t see her approaching the crosswalk?

Do drivers have to yield for people just approaching crosswalks? That's a whole new level of insanity.