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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
Actually to be precise, the position I have taken is that Israelis do rape Palestinian women— which again, verifiably true. I have not taken a position on other atrocities because I can take my own advice about waiting for facts before making blanket statements. |
Anonymous
What came first: Palestinian child rapes in Israeli prison, or 10/7? Why were the IDF raping Palestinian boys in the first place and have these rapists been arrested? I thought they were better than Hamas. Why are they doing animalistic acts? |
Anonymous
That’s one of many. The sad part is Israel didn’t need to do that. The people they detained were from the West Bank, not resisting, not at war, already in a weak position due to being kids. Those boys posed no threat to Israeli officials so why rape them or even detain them indefinitely in the first place ? How smart of Israel to release 1,000 of these prisoners lately from the West Bank . Israel is so great at self preservation . They sure know how to keep themselves safe with wise decisions. |
Anonymous
You're quoting things that in many cases have already been debunked. Most of the graphic stories of rape and mutilation come from Zaka, an organization with no coroner credentials staffed by poorly trained, extremely religious volunteers who depend on fundraising, which in turn depends on good stories. The leader of Zaka was known as Israel's Jeffrey Epstein for his predatory sexual habits he visited on both girls and boys. Many stories they told turned out to be outright falsehood. Forty beheaded babies, dead babies on a laundry line - remember that for each of these stories, multiple people in positions of authority stood up and said "I saw it with my own eyes", only to later retract and to say that in fact they didn't. Pregnant woman in Be'eri with her stomach cut open and fetus stabbed: according to the official records of the dead, no one in Be'eri was pregnant. Two teenage sisters raped and killed next to each other: there are no sibling pairs in Be'eri who match this description. The only pair of twin sisters, 12-year olds, were killed by Israeli tank shells. Women raped with "all of their internal organs removed"? Like, ALL of them? How long would that even take? On and on. "In an October 12 interview with the Israeli Foreign Ministry-funded i24 channel, Landau claimed that upon entering a home in Kibbutz Beeri, “we see a pregnant lady lying on the floor, and then we turn her around and see that the stomach is cut open, wide open. The unborn baby, still connected with an umbilical cord, was stabbed with a knife. And the mother was shot in the head. And you use your imagination, trying to figure out what came first.” Landau appears to have crafted this testimony based on a rumor that an anonymous military source spread online two days prior. According to the source, the supposedly pregnant victim was 30 years old. This alone discredited Landau’s claim, because the only female victims recorded in or around Beeri were 44-year-old Rinat Segev Even and 22-year-old Tair Bira — and neither were pregnant. In fact, no pregnant women were registered among those killed on October 7. Kibbutz Beeri tacitly denied Landau’s claims in a December 3 statement to the Israeli paper Haaretz, declaring, “the story of the pregnant woman reported by ZAKA is not relevant to Beeri.” As one source involved in examining the bodies explained to the outlet, “the volunteers are not pathology experts and have no professional tools to identify the murdered person and his age, or to declare the manner in which he was slaughtered.” For their part, Israeli police assert they have no record of the incident. Landau’s almost absurdly graphic fable was nevertheless amplified by the Israeli military’s official social media account, which claimed to possess photos of the crime that it could not publish over concerns they risked violating Twitter/X’s terms of use. Despite Israel’s eagerness to exhibit the atrocities of October 7 no matter how grisly, the photos do not seem to have materialized in any forum. " In a desperate bid to validate Landau’s dubious claims, an Israeli social media user created a video combining the ZAKA volunteer’s testimony with footage of a Mexican drug cartel torturing a prisoner to death. The fake video quickly went viral in Hebrew social media circles, even attracting the attention of Israeli President Isaac Herzog’s wife. In a November 22 op-ed for Newsweek, Israeli First Lady Michal Herzog asserted that “a Hamas video from a kibbutz shows terrorists torturing a pregnant woman and removing her fetus.” Of course, no such video existed. The only source was Landau, the master storyteller from ZAKA. Meanwhile, Landau insisted that he “saw 20 children shot, burned and piled together in two piles.” He added that the children’s hands had been tied before they were supposedly burned by Hamas militants. Yet this was an absolute impossibility, as a total of 13 children were killed during the October 7 attack—and the most found in a single location was 3. And as The Grayzone previously revealed, the largest pile of burned Israeli bodies in Kibbutz Beeri were scorched after the Israeli military decided to deliberately shell a home filled with 13 Israeli captives. Landau then told i24 that he stepped into a neighboring house and witnessed yet another gut-wrenching atrocity: “In the living room we see two parents, mother and father, with hands tied behind their backs. Lying by their side were two small children, with their hands also tied behind their back. They were all burned to death. The terrorists were sitting at the table and eating while they torched them to death.” The bogus testimony quickly reverberated on Washington’s Capitol Hill, where it was repeated almost word-for-word by Secretary of State Blinken during an October 31 Senate hearing. As explained above, there is simply no record of any children killed in the manner Landau described, or any dead matching the ages of 6 and 7 which he claimed. (Blinken said they were 6 and 8). The closest match among all those killed on October 7 was Eitan and Alin Kapshitter, who were 5 and 8 years old, respectively. They were not killed in a house, however, but in a car when their parents tragically drove into the crossfire of Israeli and Hamas forces by mistake. As Landau’s macabre tales generated international headlines, his colleague at ZAKA, Simcha Dizingoff, spouted off a few made-for-foreign-media-consumption stories of his own. Describing an October 11 visit to Kfar Aza, Dizingoff told The Guardian that he saw “a woman, naked from the waist down, [who] had been bent over a bed and then shot in the back of the head. When the team tried to move her, a live grenade rolled out of her clenched hand.” Considering the Israeli army had already cleared the kibbutz by October 11, his account raised serious questions. How did the army’s bomb disposal experts miss a live grenade in the hand of a naked woman splayed out over a bed? And why has Israel’s newly formed “Civil Commission on Oct 7th Crimes by Hamas against Women and Children,” which is frantically searching for any shred of evidence implicating Hamas in mass rape, so far failed to mention this shocking incident? Yet Dizingoff’s feverish imagination kept churning, as he claimed to have seen “one child, aged about six, had been killed by a knife plunged into his skull.” The official record of deaths from Kfar Aza shows that no child younger than 14 was killed in the kibbutz, making Dizingoff’s version of events virtually impossible. As with the graphic fables spun by Landau, Dizengoff provided no documentation to back up his claims — no cellphone photos, forensic evidence, or even corroborating testimony. As cynical as the ZAKA fabrications may seem, they were entirely consistent with the ethos of the organization and its founder: a serial sex abuser who funneled millions from donors into his own decadent pursuits. You must realize when the tales of atrocity porn are told and retold, that you're being told this story because the source wants to get a certain reaction out of you. |
Anonymous
| Same as pALeSTiNIAn bABies!!! Eleventy Thousand chILdreN!!! Killed by IDF bombing! Waaah! |
Anonymous
Except these numbers were confirmed by IDF itself plus a plethora of international organizations plus prior wars when these counts were only a hundred or so off the official UN count. |
Anonymous
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It's apparently not enough for IDF to kill Palestinians that are still breathing.
They are also razing cemeteries in Gaza. You do that to a people when you want to erase their memory, their culture, their civilization. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/14/world/middleeast/gaza-cemeteries-damage-israel.html Israeli ground forces have damaged or destroyed at least six cemeteries during their advance into the northern Gaza Strip, most of them in recent weeks, according to an analysis of new satellite imagery and video footage by The New York Times. In Gaza City’s Shajaiye neighborhood, where heavy combat raged in recent days, Israeli forces razed part of the Tunisian cemetery to set up a temporary military position. A satellite image from Sunday shows armored vehicles and earthen fortifications on what were intact graves days earlier. The Israeli military did not respond to questions by The Times about its reason for razing the cemetery and whether it has taken any precautions to protect religious sites in Gaza. The laws of armed conflict consider the intentional destruction of religious sites without military necessity a possible war crime. Azerbaijan is doing it in Artsakh as we speak, which it cleansed from Armenians using Israeli weapons. |
Anonymous
someone who understands that historical facts go beyond one person’s vacation to the Middle East. Do you even hear yourself? You took a vacay to the region, no one cares. |
Anonymous
“Believe women. Except Jewish women!” I guess it is easy to ignore Jewish women when you just can’t figure out why they won’t just sit down and die already. Sick, sick individual. |
Anonymous
The link has “Palestine” in it. Thus it is not trustworthy and any reasonable individual would have little interest in reading the propaganda within. Until the Jerusalem Post and/or Times of Israel report on such horrifying claims I will not waste my time on such claims. |
Anonymous
The IDF are heroes, and if we had a reasonable leadership in this country people like you blatantly slandering such heroes would be arrested and tried for your crimes. |
Anonymous
| Mummerings from Qatar that female hostages in Hamas captivity have been sexually abused and have to be freed since it has been three months due to potential pregnancy. Degenerate monsters Hamas. No wonder they didn’t want to free the women |
Anonymous
Oh my goodness gracious. Lovely Jewish women just continuing to be abused as the United States and rest of the world turns a blind eye and refuses to support Israel. Israel needs to realize that if the world finds even their humanitarian mission into Gaza distasteful, they need to just peel off the bandaid and destroy Gaza. Until Hamas and Hamas civilians are gone, the Jewish people will never be safe!. |
Anonymous
lol an IDF captain blew up a building in Gaza as a bday present to his 2- year old daughter, and then he up and done got killed. Poetic justice for the hero, ya think? |
Anonymous
You believe that it should be a crime in the United States to post verified facts— published by the governments in question— about the conduct of foreign militaries? |