What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

DP. Those aren't common acronyms, or if they are, they aren't common on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

I was going to say the same. The Savage Lundy Trail post-fire honestly doesn't look like a nice place to hike even aside from the heat.

And yet, there seems to be nothing or controversial going on. They aren't shutting down the park, they aren't holding news conferences about how bizarre everything is, they aren't telling everyone that they need to wait for the toxicology report to draw conclusions. He had a long hike in the heat and died of hear exhaustion. Tragic, but simple. And its being talked about and reported on simply.

I am someone that finds it ENTIRELY plausible that the cali family died of heat, but the way they are approaching the scene and the media just makes it seem clear that there is something there that is making it NOT seem like the most obvious explanation (heat) is not the explanation.

Because this guy complained of symptoms. They found him before he was dead! They gave him CPR! They could see right away what it was.

If he had gone missing, and they hadn't found the body for several days, it would be a completely different scenario.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is "WS"?

Please read the f&&king thread. WS is WebSleuths - a forum targeted towards missing and murdered cases. FA is Familly Annihilation - when one spouse decides to kill his or her entire family.

NP here - but you are an absolute jerk. 127 pages to this thread! Why can't you just answer the question, nicely.

Because its been asked multiple times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A hiker died this week in Utah's Mount Zion Park. Very similar conditions to this family - he was hiking for 9 miles, the weather was over 95F, and he suffered from heat exhaustion. An interesting point made was that the body shuts down when the internal temperature hits 103F. Its very likely that this CA family, which was hiking in temps nearly 10 degrees higher, suffered the same fate.

A hiker has died of suspected heat stroke in Zion National Park in Utah amid 95 degree heat, park officials have announced.

John Henry Wolfe, from Milwaukee, had reached the end of a strenuous nine mile canyon trail on Monday when he started complaining about exhaustion, a statement from the National Park Service said.
https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/08/31/prc-hiker-dies-from-apparent-heat-exhaustion-in-zion-national-park/#.YTEU_d8pDZs

The Subway hike where this hiker died is in no way similar to where this family was found. Nothing like it at all really.

The California hike sounds worse - exposed switchbacks, 109 degrees. Either way, a 9-mile hike in 90+ degrees is a bad idea for most people.

I was going to say the same. The Savage Lundy Trail post-fire honestly doesn't look like a nice place to hike even aside from the heat.

And yet, there seems to be nothing or controversial going on. They aren't shutting down the park, they aren't holding news conferences about how bizarre everything is, they aren't telling everyone that they need to wait for the toxicology report to draw conclusions. He had a long hike in the heat and died of hear exhaustion. Tragic, but simple. And its being talked about and reported on simply.

I am someone that finds it ENTIRELY plausible that the cali family died of heat, but the way they are approaching the scene and the media just makes it seem clear that there is something there that is making it NOT seem like the most obvious explanation (heat) is not the explanation.

Because this guy complained of symptoms. They found him before he was dead! They gave him CPR! They could see right away what it was.

If he had gone missing, and they hadn't found the body for several days, it would be a completely different scenario.

The man who was missing for almost a month after a run in the hot weather was also determined to be heat related. There were no mysterious hazards.

[Anonymous]

The best thing to do for now is to wait for the experts' conclusion to come out, if there will be one, and to avoid the trail until it's declared safe. Speculating, obviously, won't help this family or anyone else. And the comments about FA could be terrible to read for their family members or friends who might stumble upon this thread.

[Anonymous]

If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

We have lots of national parks in this country and they are not safe places. People die at the parks every year, from many different foreseeable causes, or sometimes unforeseeable, such as this family.

Have you ever been to a national park?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

Because national parks are empty almost year round and the point of parks is to preserve nature and wildlife - not to put in underground wiring across 52 million uninhabited acres in the U.S.

Think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

There are over 81,000 square miles of national parks in the US. That's a lot of emergency phones.

[Anonymous]

If you're so worried about not having cell service in a national park:

a) Don't go

b) Get a better carrier (different carriers have different area strengths)

c) Buy a SAT phone which will allow you to link up to the satellite network and call from anywhere

d) Buy a iPhone 13 which will have the same capabilities as a SAT phone

[Anonymous]

Is hiking some trendy fad with liberal yuppies? This couple was clearly very into it — to the point of risking their health/life for it. And just now NYT shared a story on their main social media accounts reviewing hiking boots.

What’s the allure? I’m not anti nature but hiking is pretty boring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

There are over 81,000 square miles of national parks in the US. That's a lot of emergency phones.

I really hope this person suggesting phones every half mile is joking. I can't believe anyone would think like this about our national land.

[Anonymous]

The husband sounds loaded. It sounds like he had a portfolio of California real estate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is hiking some trendy fad with liberal yuppies? This couple was clearly very into it — to the point of risking their health/life for it. And just now NYT shared a story on their main social media accounts reviewing hiking boots.

What’s the allure? I’m not anti nature but hiking is pretty boring.

Yes. But poor conservatives do it too - they just call it 'deer stalking'.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If cell phones don’t work, why doesn’t a national park have emergency phones at least every half mile?

We just pissed away $2 trillion in Afghanistan but our national parks sound dangerous and underfunded.

There are over 81,000 square miles of national parks in the US. That's a lot of emergency phones.

Sq/miles != trails. The average college campus seems to put emergency phones every 50 ft.