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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
They’ve raped more Palestinian men than the women because they know men don’t ever speak out about such things |
Anonymous
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Perhaps I missed it, but did the scumbags challenging the reported death toll of 20K+ in Gaza use their anti-semitism bullhorn to impugn the integrity of 200 year old The Lancet and JHU, too? Maybe the bastards behind these findings need a good dose of Zionist doxxing, eh, Bibi bootlickers?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext |
Anonymous
An analysis by the New York Times today shows Israel used dozens of 2000 lb bombs in southern Gaza in the initial weeks of the war. This is when they had told people in the North to flee to the south. And then dropped 2000 lb bombs on them. https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/100000009208814/israel-gaza-bomb-civilians.html |
Anonymous
I’m neither you nor the poster you quoted, and I agree with you. I’m a nearly fully Ashkenazi Jewish (ancestors killed in holocaust, and some made it here eventually). I also converted decades ago to Islam. I’ve heard the perspectives from my parents’-side family. I’ve heard the perspective from my wife’s family. I have Jewish friends and Muslim friends. I’ve heard all the misconceptions from both sides about each other. I’ve been to the Middle East as well. I’ve studied the history heavily academically. You have to take all the issues in perspective and context and in relation to prior history, but also understand that the only way to break the current loop is to accept reality of where we are and that getting to peace means giving something up. The group with the most power has the most responsibility and ability to stop the cycle. Right now, that is Israel. We can even demonstrate this. If Palestinians simply take the higher road (which they should) and turn to peaceful protests, it won’t result in as much progress as we get if Israel takes the step to not retaliate, but instead to partner with Palestinians to (re)build functioning society. If only the Palestinians do anything, the result is that Israel will continue settling their lands in West Bank and maybe Gaza. If only Israel does anything and stops attacking and pulls out of half the settlements, there will be some continued clashes, but over a generation (or more?), Palestinians who are younger will see the partnership and not the fighting. We can’t litigate who has an historical right to the land from thousands of years ago. We can barely discuss the history of the last 200 years. |
Anonymous
Well said This forum has its share of fanatics who litigate Israel’s historical right to anything and everything and especially this war, which has turned out to be very brutal and ruthless. |
Anonymous
Cool story bro. Make wild accusations with no proof, and then give yourself fake cover by saying "you won't hear about it because it's suppressed / people are being bought off / they won't talk to it because of cultural issues" etc. |
Anonymous
Yet here we are litigating historical Arab rights to lands they lost to the Jews 75 years ago when they tried to exterminate the jews in 1948 and lost the war. Which in turn are also lands the Arabs lost to the British 106 years ago in 1917. |
Anonymous
I agree it’s foolish to litigate Israel’s right to exist. However, I do think it’s important for people to understand the history of the region and what the past 2-3 generations of Palestinians have gone through. I’m American so I have really no idea what Israelis are raised to believe but in school I was taught that post WWII Israel became the Jewish homeland without any mention of the fact that this land was already occupied. Yes, Jewish people have suffered horribly throughout history. But they aren’t the only ones hurting. I think this needs acknowledgement or there will never be peace. As it stands right now, Israel’s outsized response is putting its long term safety in jeopardy because there will be a new generation of Palestinians growing up to hate them for killing their brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers. |
Anonymous
From what I have read the Arabs were not trying to “exterminate” the Jews, but were fighting against the UN division of their land. I think this is an important distinction because the way you word it, it makes the Palestinians seem horrible / inhumane rather than a people with a reason for their response. Also, the Ottoman Empire lost the land to the British but the Palestinians were still living there. |
Anonymous
What are you saying? 20+ thousand have been killed, counted as being brought to the hospital and died there or to the morgue UNWRA has consistently had similar numbers. Yale professor says that figures are much higher since this excludes the number of people buried under rubble and the toll is increasing daily There is an outbreak of cholera, a famine |
Anonymous
In the case of the IDF soldier we only know about it because a gag order was lifted in 2021. It’s not unreasonable to assume more gag orders exist. It’s also reasonable to assume that rape is as underreported elsewhere in the world as it is in the United States. Which should just remind people: it is foolish to make blanket statements about the behavior of participants in this conflict in an effort to “win” a moral high ground which neither side is working hard to achieve. |
Anonymous
So the Jewish pogroms in Palestine between 1890-1920 were not trying to “exterminate” the Jews? |
Anonymous
When you find me a story of IFF raping and passing multiple Arab women around, cutting off their breasts, shooting them while raping them, we will talk about the moral high ground. Until then, you got nothing . |
Anonymous
So you’re good with rape, just not all rape. Thats fine but own your position. |
Anonymous
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I think there’s a difference between litigating Israel’s right to ongoing statehood (which no one should be doing at this point) and discussing the behavior of Israel the state in 2023.
Israel has a right to exist. That does not mean it has a right to exist without criticism and it does not mean it has a right to exist outside it’s internationally recognized borders— just like every other country in the UNGA. |