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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


You need to look at a boundary map. Miner borders both Wheatley and JOW's boundaries in places. The fact a street is in between does not mean the zone is non-contiguous. Are you aware that Miner's boundary extends to 13th street? So it is, in fact, on the other side of the Starburst from itself?
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


It would me more akin to the at-risk set aside or boundary re-drawing than to a cluster, no? Proximity preference only gets you anything to the extent there are OOB spots available, and it comes after sibling preferences. Plus it doesn't disrupt everyone else who currently attends Maury.
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Anonymous wrote:To me it's clear something needs to be done to lower the at risk percentage at Miner. I understand the objections to the cluster, but you can make similar objections to any proposal.

It feels like a lot of people are basically arguing for the status quo, which means Miner remains a school with a lot of at risk kids who it ultimately fails.

It feels like no matter what is proposed, it will be rejected as infeasible, and nothing will change.


How about DC actually figure out how to teach at-risk kids? Moving them from one school to another is NOT an instructional strategy!!! The status quo id terrible but moving kids around does ZERO to fix it.


Are you a Maury parent? Then you are a DCPS parent. If you don't think DC does a good job educating the 46% of DCPS students who are at risk, then why do you live here and send your kid to a DSPS school? Especially one that feeds to a MS and HS that are majority at risk.

Maury parents want it both ways. Please leave us alone to run our school with a 12% at risk percentage and don't you dare interfere in any way, but also the fact that DCPS, the school system we participate in and pay taxes into, is crap at educating at risk kids (heck we can't even handle the 12% at risk kids at our school and are demanding more resources to handle them in upper grades when the non-at-risk families bail for charters or private anyway because, again, our MS/HS feed is majority at risk) is someone else's problem, please deal with it but not in a way that impacts our school at all.

This is the reality of being in DCPS. You don't want to deal with at risk kids, high percentages of SpEd kids, administrative challenges, etc.? MOVE. And before you cry "But Ward 3!!!" at me, guess what -- Ward 3 has problems, too. Go talk to families with kids at Deal, Hardy, and JR about behavior, discipline, drug use, etc. We have friends with kids at Deal and JR who simply do not use the bathroom at school because it feels dangerous to them. These are inner-city schools. They have the problems of inner city schools.

As for Brent and LT, I would absolutely support at risk set asides for them and exploring cluster options. An LT-JOW cluster does have certain synergies, though I understand why Maury-Miner was selected first because of the more dramatic differences in demographics. I don't know that Brent lends itself as well to a cluster. Maybe with Van Ness, though being on either side of the freeway makes that less appealing, IMO. I actually think some kind of program that unites Brent with Amidon-Bowen could be beneficial -- the Jefferson Middle triangle is weirdly disjointed geographically, and finding ways to build community across the triangle could have real benefits for Jefferson as well as the participating elementary schools.


No. Watkins parent here. I am completely against half-baked experiments that will inevitably cause a functioning school - that mere years ago NOBODY WOULD ATTEND - to turn it into another Peabody/Watkins cluster, with its abysmal 30% IB buy-in (propped up almost entirely by Peabody). That is not good for the DCPS educational landscape, as a whole. It is not good for the Hill, as a whole, which people are already increasingly nervous to invest in due to spiking crime. Taking a successful school and blowing it up to make your own stats look good is incredibly short sighted.


How are you a Watkins parent if you don't realize that 30% reflects the IB population Watkins, not Peabody?


No it doesn't. DCPS lumps Peabody and Watkins together when reporting IB percentages, so Watkins is actually lower than 30%.


No. Watkins is 30% and Peabody is 75%, they are reported separately. Honestly, Peabody only being 75% is pretty shocking and shows how fast the Cluster has deteriorated in terms of IB buy-in.


Could you please link to where they are reported separately? The SY2122_Public School Enrollments per DCPS Boundary data set I found reports them together at about 49% boundary participation -- so your numbers make sense, I would just love to find that data! DC makes it so hard.


https://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Watkins+Elementary+School+(Capitol+Hill+Cluster)

https://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/301


The "in-boundary" number? I think that is the percentage of students at the school who are in boundary, not the boundary participation rate (the percentage of students in the boundary who go to the school).


Think that's here:
https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary
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People are getting confused so to be clear:

The DCPS profiles list an IB percentage. This number is the percent of currently enrolled students who are IB for the school.

But people are conflating this with the IB buy-in rate, which is the percent of eligible IB students within the boundary who attend the zone. Generally this is unknowable, at least for the general public. You can figure out what the buy-in rate is for kids attending public schools within the boundary (so you can figure out what percent of kids attending DCPS or public charters in the zone are going to IB schools versus other DCPS or charters) by looking at the data released on attendance patterns in DC public schools.

However, even that number does not account for the people IB who choose to homeschool or send their kids to private. There may be somewhere inside DC government where someone compiles this data, since the government does have to make sure that kids are enrolled in school of some kind starting at K, but to my knowledge it is not released. And I doubt it is cross-checked against lottery and attendance patterns that would produce an "in-bound participation rate" that truly accounted for every IB, school-age child.
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Anonymous wrote:To me it's clear something needs to be done to lower the at risk percentage at Miner. I understand the objections to the cluster, but you can make similar objections to any proposal.

It feels like a lot of people are basically arguing for the status quo, which means Miner remains a school with a lot of at risk kids who it ultimately fails.

It feels like no matter what is proposed, it will be rejected as infeasible, and nothing will change.


How about DC actually figure out how to teach at-risk kids? Moving them from one school to another is NOT an instructional strategy!!! The status quo id terrible but moving kids around does ZERO to fix it.


Are you a Maury parent? Then you are a DCPS parent. If you don't think DC does a good job educating the 46% of DCPS students who are at risk, then why do you live here and send your kid to a DSPS school? Especially one that feeds to a MS and HS that are majority at risk.

Maury parents want it both ways. Please leave us alone to run our school with a 12% at risk percentage and don't you dare interfere in any way, but also the fact that DCPS, the school system we participate in and pay taxes into, is crap at educating at risk kids (heck we can't even handle the 12% at risk kids at our school and are demanding more resources to handle them in upper grades when the non-at-risk families bail for charters or private anyway because, again, our MS/HS feed is majority at risk) is someone else's problem, please deal with it but not in a way that impacts our school at all.

This is the reality of being in DCPS. You don't want to deal with at risk kids, high percentages of SpEd kids, administrative challenges, etc.? MOVE. And before you cry "But Ward 3!!!" at me, guess what -- Ward 3 has problems, too. Go talk to families with kids at Deal, Hardy, and JR about behavior, discipline, drug use, etc. We have friends with kids at Deal and JR who simply do not use the bathroom at school because it feels dangerous to them. These are inner-city schools. They have the problems of inner city schools.

As for Brent and LT, I would absolutely support at risk set asides for them and exploring cluster options. An LT-JOW cluster does have certain synergies, though I understand why Maury-Miner was selected first because of the more dramatic differences in demographics. I don't know that Brent lends itself as well to a cluster. Maybe with Van Ness, though being on either side of the freeway makes that less appealing, IMO. I actually think some kind of program that unites Brent with Amidon-Bowen could be beneficial -- the Jefferson Middle triangle is weirdly disjointed geographically, and finding ways to build community across the triangle could have real benefits for Jefferson as well as the participating elementary schools.


No. Watkins parent here. I am completely against half-baked experiments that will inevitably cause a functioning school - that mere years ago NOBODY WOULD ATTEND - to turn it into another Peabody/Watkins cluster, with its abysmal 30% IB buy-in (propped up almost entirely by Peabody). That is not good for the DCPS educational landscape, as a whole. It is not good for the Hill, as a whole, which people are already increasingly nervous to invest in due to spiking crime. Taking a successful school and blowing it up to make your own stats look good is incredibly short sighted.


How are you a Watkins parent if you don't realize that 30% reflects the IB population Watkins, not Peabody?


No it doesn't. DCPS lumps Peabody and Watkins together when reporting IB percentages, so Watkins is actually lower than 30%.


No. Watkins is 30% and Peabody is 75%, they are reported separately. Honestly, Peabody only being 75% is pretty shocking and shows how fast the Cluster has deteriorated in terms of IB buy-in.


Could you please link to where they are reported separately? The SY2122_Public School Enrollments per DCPS Boundary data set I found reports them together at about 49% boundary participation -- so your numbers make sense, I would just love to find that data! DC makes it so hard.


https://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Watkins+Elementary+School+(Capitol+Hill+Cluster)

https://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/301


The "in-boundary" number? I think that is the percentage of students at the school who are in boundary, not the boundary participation rate (the percentage of students in the boundary who go to the school).


Think that's here:
https://dme.dc.gov/page/sy2021-22-public-school-enrollments-dcps-boundary


Yes, but this one reports Peabody and Watkins together.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


No, you don't seem to understand how proximity preference works. Not everyone in the Miner zone is more than .5 a mile from Browne at all. Browne is only a few blocks from part of the Miner zone. And certainly not everyone is closer to Maury and Payne than Browne.

You're also totally wrong about JOW and Wheatley's zones not being contiguous with Miner's.

Do you actually live on the Hill?
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Anonymous wrote:People are getting confused so to be clear:

The DCPS profiles list an IB percentage. This number is the percent of currently enrolled students who are IB for the school.

But people are conflating this with the IB buy-in rate, which is the percent of eligible IB students within the boundary who attend the zone. Generally this is unknowable, at least for the general public. You can figure out what the buy-in rate is for kids attending public schools within the boundary (so you can figure out what percent of kids attending DCPS or public charters in the zone are going to IB schools versus other DCPS or charters) by looking at the data released on attendance patterns in DC public schools.

However, even that number does not account for the people IB who choose to homeschool or send their kids to private. There may be somewhere inside DC government where someone compiles this data, since the government does have to make sure that kids are enrolled in school of some kind starting at K, but to my knowledge it is not released. And I doubt it is cross-checked against lottery and attendance patterns that would produce an "in-bound participation rate" that truly accounted for every IB, school-age child.


The boundary participation rates are in a publicly available dataset (someone just linked it).
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


It would me more akin to the at-risk set aside or boundary re-drawing than to a cluster, no? Proximity preference only gets you anything to the extent there are OOB spots available, and it comes after sibling preferences. Plus it doesn't disrupt everyone else who currently attends Maury.


Regardless, no way are the rezoning Miner kids for JOW, Wheatley, or Browne (it simply isn't happening, they will not zone kids to a school that is that far away across major commuting arteries and intersections when they could instead zone them to neighborhood schools), so if you close Miner and rezone it, assume a significant percentage of Miner IB kids would not have Maury as their by-right school.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


No, you don't seem to understand how proximity preference works. Not everyone in the Miner zone is more than .5 a mile from Browne at all. Browne is only a few blocks from part of the Miner zone. And certainly not everyone is closer to Maury and Payne than Browne.

You're also totally wrong about JOW and Wheatley's zones not being contiguous with Miner's.

Do you actually live on the Hill?


Browne is directly next to 2RY. Right by where the SWS swing space was. Right at the end of the Streetcar line. Very accessible to much of the Miner zone.
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Anonymous wrote:People are getting confused so to be clear:

The DCPS profiles list an IB percentage. This number is the percent of currently enrolled students who are IB for the school.

But people are conflating this with the IB buy-in rate, which is the percent of eligible IB students within the boundary who attend the zone. Generally this is unknowable, at least for the general public. You can figure out what the buy-in rate is for kids attending public schools within the boundary (so you can figure out what percent of kids attending DCPS or public charters in the zone are going to IB schools versus other DCPS or charters) by looking at the data released on attendance patterns in DC public schools.

However, even that number does not account for the people IB who choose to homeschool or send their kids to private. There may be somewhere inside DC government where someone compiles this data, since the government does have to make sure that kids are enrolled in school of some kind starting at K, but to my knowledge it is not released. And I doubt it is cross-checked against lottery and attendance patterns that would produce an "in-bound participation rate" that truly accounted for every IB, school-age child.


The boundary participation rates are in a publicly available dataset (someone just linked it).


Ah, I see it now, turns out they do provide the number of grade-eligible kids living in zone. I don't think that used to be the case but it's great it's now provided. Thanks for the correction.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


It would me more akin to the at-risk set aside or boundary re-drawing than to a cluster, no? Proximity preference only gets you anything to the extent there are OOB spots available, and it comes after sibling preferences. Plus it doesn't disrupt everyone else who currently attends Maury.


Regardless, no way are the rezoning Miner kids for JOW, Wheatley, or Browne (it simply isn't happening, they will not zone kids to a school that is that far away across major commuting arteries and intersections when they could instead zone them to neighborhood schools), so if you close Miner and rezone it, assume a significant percentage of Miner IB kids would not have Maury as their by-right school.


They have drawn boundaries to end at H and Benning over here, but all across the city there are tons and tons of school boundaries that cross very busy roads and dangerous intersections. I don't know why you think that's such an obstacle here.
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Anonymous wrote:People are getting confused so to be clear:

The DCPS profiles list an IB percentage. This number is the percent of currently enrolled students who are IB for the school.

But people are conflating this with the IB buy-in rate, which is the percent of eligible IB students within the boundary who attend the zone. Generally this is unknowable, at least for the general public. You can figure out what the buy-in rate is for kids attending public schools within the boundary (so you can figure out what percent of kids attending DCPS or public charters in the zone are going to IB schools versus other DCPS or charters) by looking at the data released on attendance patterns in DC public schools.

However, even that number does not account for the people IB who choose to homeschool or send their kids to private. There may be somewhere inside DC government where someone compiles this data, since the government does have to make sure that kids are enrolled in school of some kind starting at K, but to my knowledge it is not released. And I doubt it is cross-checked against lottery and attendance patterns that would produce an "in-bound participation rate" that truly accounted for every IB, school-age child.


The boundary participation rates are in a publicly available dataset (someone just linked it).


Ah, I see it now, turns out they do provide the number of grade-eligible kids living in zone. I don't think that used to be the case but it's great it's now provided. Thanks for the correction.


That makes sense -- I've never looked at previous years', so that may well be the case.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


No, you don't seem to understand how proximity preference works. Not everyone in the Miner zone is more than .5 a mile from Browne at all. Browne is only a few blocks from part of the Miner zone. And certainly not everyone is closer to Maury and Payne than Browne.

You're also totally wrong about JOW and Wheatley's zones not being contiguous with Miner's.

Do you actually live on the Hill?


It's true there is a small amount of Miner's zone that is adjacent to both JOW and Wheatley -- there's a little job in the zone that actually goes north of H up to Florida and touches both JOW and Wheatley zones that way. If Miner were closed and rezoned, that would likely be handed to JOW, not Wheatley, as Wheatley is in Ward 5, is a PK-8 campus (not actually an elementary) and feeds to Dunbar).

As a practical matter, this little jog of the Miner zone contains very few actual students as it is largely comprised of commercial buildings along H and Florida, as well as a large senior citizens housing complex.

Browne is also in Ward 5, and like Wheatley is a PK-8 campus. Browne also has a whopping 73% at risk students, so the odds of DCPS assigning any of the IB at risk kids at Miner to Browne is very low. Same with Wheatley.

If Miner were closed and rezoned, the vast majority of the zone would go to LT, Maury, and Payne.
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Let Basis take over Miner and run it as an IB elementary. I am dead serious.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should dig into the data on Miner in the OSSE report card. The performance is absolutely abysmal for at-risk students compared to city averages. Something is deeply failing at Miner. I honestly think the school needs to be closed and students rezoned in balance to all the surrounding schools (Maury, LT, Payne). Or fire everyone there and replace it with a turnaround admin and staff.


This is actually a much better idea, but it would need to be (at least) Browne as well, and likely one of Wheatley or JOW. If you utilized all 5/6 schools, you could absorb the kids and everyone could have reasonable commutes. The issue is that for contiguous boundaries to remain (which, despite other ideas on this thread, is clearly a baseline requirement), you'd rezone a small chunk to LT, a tiny chunk to JOW or Wheatley, a reasonable chunk to Maury, a small chunk to Payne and then a sizeable chunk to Browne, which I doubt anyone would perceive as an upgrade. You could reasonably split the 2 housing projects between Maury and Browne, which might help lighten the load on any one school.


I see the argument for closing Miner and re-zoning, but there is no way to make part of the Miner zone belong to JOW or Wheatley and have their zones be contiguous, especially Wheatley. They are not only on the other side of H/Benning, they are also across Bladensberg/Starburst. I also assume there would be issues with Browne because while technically they could have a contiguous zone that incorporated Miner, it would be divided not only by Benning but by the large commercial center on Benning that lacks walkable through streets. I don't know how kids IB for Miner get to Browne on foot, which I think is pretty much required for neighborhood schools.

In any case, even if you assigned any part of Miner boundaries to LT/JOW/Wheatley/Browne, everyone in the Miner zone would get proximity preference for Maury or Payne. So if you object to a Miner-Maury cluster, consider that closing and re-zoning Miner would essentially get you that outcome anyway.


It would me more akin to the at-risk set aside or boundary re-drawing than to a cluster, no? Proximity preference only gets you anything to the extent there are OOB spots available, and it comes after sibling preferences. Plus it doesn't disrupt everyone else who currently attends Maury.


Regardless, no way are the rezoning Miner kids for JOW, Wheatley, or Browne (it simply isn't happening, they will not zone kids to a school that is that far away across major commuting arteries and intersections when they could instead zone them to neighborhood schools), so if you close Miner and rezone it, assume a significant percentage of Miner IB kids would not have Maury as their by-right school.


They have drawn boundaries to end at H and Benning over here, but all across the city there are tons and tons of school boundaries that cross very busy roads and dangerous intersections. I don't know why you think that's such an obstacle here.


They won't zone Ward 6 residents to Ward 5 schools.

You also have to look at feeds. Closing Miner, there would a focus on keeping students within their existing feeds, which would mean shifting most kids to Maury and Payne. I think they'd have no choice but to assign at least part of the west end of the zone to LT because it's simply not possible for Maury and Payne to absorb all those students (I expect Maury would need an expansion to do it, and it would likely mean trailers in the interim). But LT at least feeds to Eastern. Wheatley and Browne both contain middle schools and feed to Dunbar, which is in NW -- it's actually kind of insane that Wheatley and Browne feed there already but at least you have the Ward excuse. With Miner kids it would make no sense at all.
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