Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Oh great - the data people are here. Don’t you need to “fix” some data?

MCPS did that already and got us into this mess.

Nah - data people made a mistake too. We found it

[Anonymous]

great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

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Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

Yeah I was kind of surprised this hadn't come up before. Taylor seems to care more about how pretty the boundaries are then advancing the 4 factors. In fact he undermine the factors especially if it increases segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

So let me guess. Now all of the Save Wootton folks are going to rise up and try to partner with Brown Station ES peeps to take up their cause? Because they really care about black and brown kids? Y’all have lost me with your creative coalition building. What exactly is it that you believe in?

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Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

I’m sorry, did you say MCPS is segregating black and brown kids or the Save Wootton people are doing that? Did I misread what you wrote?

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Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

Sadly, one of many casualties of the rushed process.

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Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

So let me guess. Now all of the Save Wootton folks are going to rise up and try to partner with Brown Station ES peeps to take up their cause? Because they really care about black and brown kids? Y’all have lost me with your creative coalition building. What exactly is it that you believe in?

Not a guess, a GUARANTEE. Whatever it takes to stay on the Parkway!

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Because people didn’t pay impact taxes to fund a holding school.

Bingo...MCPS and superitendnt has an obligation to find a solution that provides maximum benefit to most students as defined by FAA factors. That is exactly what happened here.

Then why did he propose using Crown as a holding school if you are convinced it’s not a viable option? Certainly Taylor knew the financial status of MCPS with regard to renovating Magruder before he did so.

It was other people asking for that option (G) and was a terrible idea from the start. Proposing it doesn’t mean it was recommended either. There is only ONE recommendation

That’s why I wrote proposed. People on this and other threads keep claiming that Option G was never viable. So why did Taylor even propose it? If he knew the budget didn’t support renovation of Magruder, why was using Crown as a holding school for Magruder ever considered, much less proposed?

If Option H was always going to be the recommendation, why the smokescreen of the other options? To give an illusion of options when there really weren’t any?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Oh great - the data people are here. Don’t you need to “fix” some data?

MCPS did that already and got us into this mess.

Nah - data people made a mistake too. We found it

Please enlighten us.

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Why we have to drag racism on every issues we face.

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Anonymous wrote:Why we have to drag racism on every issues we face.

Because the trolls can’t answer the hard questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:great thoughtful perspective today from Brow Station ES. Basically Brown Station and Northwest High School are getting screwed by option H. https://moderatelymoco.com/brown-station-community-raises-segregation-concerns-over-mcps-boundary-proposal/ Increased FARMs, getting cut off from special programs, bussing longer distances. MCPS is segregating black and brown kids to Germantown.

This surprises you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Because people didn’t pay impact taxes to fund a holding school.

Shouldn’t have needed to pay them at all.

I guess you didn’t pay them for Woodward either?

Confused by the replies. Woodward was a land grant with stipulations on repaying impact taxes if not used as a school? Or is the PP not understanding the sitch with Wootton at Crown?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Because people didn’t pay impact taxes to fund a holding school.

Shouldn’t have needed to pay them at all.

I guess you didn’t pay them for Woodward either?

Confused by the replies. Woodward was a land grant with stipulations on repaying impact taxes if not used as a school? Or is the PP not understanding the sitch with Wootton at Crown?

Crown wasn’t “built with impact taxes.” It was built mostly with county and state money, with impact taxes playing a small role tied to development growth.

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Anonymous wrote:Truth bomb: When MCPS and Montgomery County itself are so low on funds because of so many compounding factors, it wouldn't matter if God herself opposed these options. Community opinion has absolutely no bearing when the money simply isn't there. And yes, I agree that it is appalling that we are in this spot but alas, here we are so let's please stop with the idea that it is "against the will of the people." Even if this is an indisputable fact (many would say it is not but that is besides the point), it literally does not matter.

So financial mismanagement and failure to follow the law don’t matter. Only money does?

Of course they do-that's not at all what I am saying here. To the extent that there is a "remedy" needed-it would be procedural and not impact the outcome. Financial mismanagement in the past is actually not relevant here.

It is highly relevant if that was the pre-determined reason for pushing Option H over all the other options. This is especially important as the chronology indicates MCPS planned to close Wootton far earlier than it disclosed publicly.

Financial mismanagement in the past IS the reason for Option H. I think all agree on that.

Maybe you just think that because past mistakes were made, another fiscally unsound decision should be made today? Sort of "Two wrongs make a right" logic?

Many of us think that the most fiscally sound decision should be made today, regardless of how we got here.

I don’t think anyone’s saying “two wrongs make a right.” The concern is more that Option H might just be baking in past mistakes instead of actually fixing them.

Saying this is the most fiscally sound option only works if that’s actually been shown. If the decision is being driven by the fact that Crown is already built, rather than a full, transparent look at alternatives, then it starts to feel like we’re just making the current plan work—not choosing the best one.

The real question is did MCPS actually compare all the options and show the data? Is the data MCPS shared flawed? (Some have analyzed the data and found that it is). Or are we just assuming this is the most cost-effective path because of where things already stand?

Crown is a sunk cost. We can't get that money back, so we have to make it work.

Bingo bango

Holding school makes it work too - and Taylor proposed that as an option. Why do that if the data didn’t support it?

Because people didn’t pay impact taxes to fund a holding school.

Shouldn’t have needed to pay them at all.

I guess you didn’t pay them for Woodward either?

Confused by the replies. Woodward was a land grant with stipulations on repaying impact taxes if not used as a school? Or is the PP not understanding the sitch with Wootton at Crown?

Development helped justify Crown, but taxpayers are footing most of the bill—not impact taxes.