Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

Very true.

Is it? So what happens if the war was to just end like that with America and the world ceasing to aid Ukraine? Who gets Ukraine, all its grain, its strategic importance as a nation on the world stage?

Let me guess. Russia. And then they get stronger and their influence grows and basically…they win.

Somehow I’m sure you are okay with that. Botnick.

Russia would get the Russian parts, and presumably Poland would occupy the Polish parts, same for Romania and Hungary and their ethnic parts. You would have a rump state left that would be a demilitarized borderlands. You could even go back to calling it the borderlands.

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Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Yes, because he's now ruling entirely by fear. He has ordered any oligarch in position of power who voices the least doubt, thrown out of windows or otherwise assassinated, to avoid a coup d'etat. His new laws restricting freedom of speech have pulled tons of people into jail, some of whom were sent to the front to fight. An entire generation of young men is being traumatized in Ukraine, because they are being forced to kill innocent people.

Russians hate Putin. But they've never had an uprising that turned out well for them in their history, so they're not about to mount a revolution now. But when Putin inevitably weakens, he will die and Russians won't mourn him.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

I think two weeks is too optimistic but yes I do think Russia could be defeated quickly if the US constraints were removed. The US is preventing Ukraine from attacking Russia directly. Remove those constraints and it will be on to Moscow for the Ukrainian military.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

I think two weeks is too optimistic but yes I do think Russia could be defeated quickly if the US constraints were removed. The US is preventing Ukraine from attacking Russia directly. Remove those constraints and it will be on to Moscow for the Ukrainian military.

You are truly delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

In that scenario, millions of Ukrainians are killed under Russia goal of genocide.

Why is this a good thing, comrade?

Russia has never said it wanted to exterminate Ukrainians, and their actions within occupied territories are not consistent with genocidal intent. But I understand you need to believe that.

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Does it? The Al-Saud is doing quite well. And America is delighted with it. Same with Al-Sabah, Al-Khalifah, Al-Maktoum.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s beyond farcical that anyone would suggest that Ukraine did this to themselves. Apart from the potential loss of life directly as well as the damage that floodwaters cause, that reservoir was the main source of water for most Ukrainian agriculture as well as part of the coolant for a nuclear power plant.

Nobody did this to anyone. The simplest explanation is that the old dam became compromised after months of bilateral shelling. This is the likeliest reason.

Only if you ignore evidence that Russia mined the dam quite openly months ago.

But you're just a troll, churning out posts all on the Political Threads because you have no friends and you're living in your parent's basement.

I don't consider the statements Zelensky made to be evidence.

What are the Russians currently saying? It’s a pretty safe bet to believe the opposite.

Literally everything Russia has ever said about this war has been a lie.

Yes, I see the North Stream story has been nothing but straight and clear. Lies are the stuff wars are made of.

It's been known for quite some time that Nordstream 2 was a Ukrainian job. You need to keep up, PP. NATO didn't like it when it happened, but it didn't want to haul Ukraine over the coals for this, despite the scramble over the winter for heating.

No, stop lying. The entire world was quite enthusiastically blaming Russia when it happened, calling it an act of international terrorism.

Then the Ukrainian link surfaced. And everyone is like...well..if that's so....I guess it's all right then. Let's don't talk about it.

Yeah, that is the way it works.

If Ukraine blew it up I am cool with it. I really do not care; and Europe is fine for energy.

Anything that degrades Russia is on the table. If Ukraine fired up gas chambers for Russians I may have pause, or not.

I don't agree with gas chambers, but with the overal NATO sentiment that despite the significant hardship created by Ukraine blowing up Nordstream 2, they worked to keep their alliance supportive of Ukraine. There were well-founded fears that had this been more widely known at the time, Germany and other countries would NOT have helped Ukraine as much as they did, fearing a backlash of their public opinion.

There is so much that goes on that we don't know about in this war: lots of internal disagreements, everyone spying on everyone else to keep them honest, keep tabs on Ukraine so it doesn't go on a rampage with the weapons we give them (and it's understandable they would want to), etc...

War is so messy and exhausting. All we see is the tip of the iceberg.

What's truly remarkable, coming out of this example publicized by the WaPo, is how solid our NATO alliance has been. Putin was correct to hope that it would crumble. It should have crumbled! It's a miracle it did not. Biden, Macron, Von der Leyen, the eastern block (apart from Hungary) etc, they are all ultra-committed to the union. Putin expected Macron to be a weak link, given the perennial French unwillingness to lick America's boots like other European leaders, but Macron has always prioritized European supremacy, and it's on those grounds he supports Ukraine. Zelensky being such a gifted communicator helped immeasurably, and that's not something Putin could have predicted. Z rose to the occasion in the most remarkable way, and has lobbied nearly every country in the world to get compassion, promises of support or at least, neutrality.

This could so easily have gone wrong. Putin miscalculated, but not by that much.

I agree with you that there is a ton we don't know and will never know about this war. It has been a battle stories. Not facts. Facts are messy, not black/white, sometimes the good guys behave abominably, sometimes the bad guys are not bad enough. It's all a story.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

In that scenario, millions of Ukrainians are killed under Russia goal of genocide.

Why is this a good thing, comrade?

Russia has never said it wanted to exterminate Ukrainians, and their actions within occupied territories are not consistent with genocidal intent. But I understand you need to believe that.

I am sure that Russia would prefer that Ukrainians simply accept their subservient status as part of the Russian empire. But given that Ukraine is not going to surrender, Russia believes that it has no choice but to commit genocide.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

I think two weeks is too optimistic but yes I do think Russia could be defeated quickly if the US constraints were removed. The US is preventing Ukraine from attacking Russia directly. Remove those constraints and it will be on to Moscow for the Ukrainian military.

You are truly delusional.

Yes it would be one or two days.

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Every regime of every type comes with an expiration date. What's your point?

When will the North Koreans be overthrowing their communist leadership?

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Yes, because he's now ruling entirely by fear. He has ordered any oligarch in position of power who voices the least doubt, thrown out of windows or otherwise assassinated, to avoid a coup d'etat. His new laws restricting freedom of speech have pulled tons of people into jail, some of whom were sent to the front to fight. An entire generation of young men is being traumatized in Ukraine, because they are being forced to kill innocent people.

Russians hate Putin. But they've never had an uprising that turned out well for them in their history, so they're not about to mount a revolution now. But when Putin inevitably weakens, he will die and Russians won't mourn him.

You are not entirely correct. The Russians have no special love for Putin but that's not the reason there won't be a revolution. The reason is that life in Russia is not so bad if you have a job, a place to live, a family and all the creature comforts. They don't care about political restrictions because most of them don't have an interest in politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

In that scenario, millions of Ukrainians are killed under Russia goal of genocide.

Why is this a good thing, comrade?

Russia has never said it wanted to exterminate Ukrainians, and their actions within occupied territories are not consistent with genocidal intent. But I understand you need to believe that.

I am sure that Russia would prefer that Ukrainians simply accept their subservient status as part of the Russian empire. But given that Ukraine is not going to surrender, Russia believes that it has no choice but to commit genocide.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

Rhetoric means nothing. I mean the US says it's all about democracy and human rights, but their international posture and choice of friends speaks otherwise, don't you think?

Look at actions, not words.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

^ bot spewing moral lowering propaganda designed to grind down and influence others to simply “give in” to the invasion. Fk off.

That's the truth, not propaganda. Without the Western weapons, money and materiel, the war would have been over quickly. I don't know why you argue with the obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

^ bot spewing moral lowering propaganda designed to grind down and influence others to simply “give in” to the invasion. Fk off.

That's the truth, not propaganda. Without the Western weapons, money and materiel, the war would have been over quickly. I don't know why you argue with the obvious.

Dp- Right… that’s right. I remember Russia taking Kiev in 3 days 😂