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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
This topic seems to be an uncomfortably obsessive matter for you. You’ve been referencing another poster over and over again, but the topic isn’t “Discussion of Other Posters”. Perhaps a mental health break would be of benefit? |
Anonymous
The IDF has no rules of engagement. What does it matter if your soldiers rape a few of the 20,000 people you have killed? The Einsatzgruppen did the same thing. |
Anonymous
You’re also fortunate most people don’t know Jewish history like the genesis of communism and ten million Russians mostly Christians robbed and executed mostly by the Jews/Bolsheviks. After communism, came Zionism and millions in the Middle East killed . 1 million kids in Iraq died after the Gulf War from starvation and another million after 2003. All wars Israel is proudly the source and beneficiary of |
Anonymous
WOW. I didn't think you could find any more utterly non-comparable scenarios to be outraged about, but here we are. You are actually, with a straight face, trying to draw an analogy between the one example, above, and the multiple, absolutely horrific instances of MUTILATION, TORTURE, RAPE, and MURDER of Israeli women by Hamas terrorists. It's clearly useless trying to have a conversation with someone who is not a serious person - or an honest one. And you clearly didn't read the BBC article. I would post a long excerpt here, as you did, but it's so completely horrific and graphic that I won't. |
Anonymous
Still no condemnation for Hamas. We see you. |
Anonymous
Are you ok? |
Anonymous
Exactly. Who can forget images of Palestinians celebrating and cheering ecstatically after the Oct. 7th Hamas atrocities? Oh wait, the PP can forget that. |
Anonymous
Actually this was my first post. You are speaking to multiple people. The difference is that with IDF it was one off, bad seed, but with your “resistance fighters” it’s a systemic prevailing MO. |
Anonymous
Yup, you’re a POS, and none too bright to boot. |
Anonymous
DP. You are talking to several different posters. And it is absolutely disgusting that you refuse to acknowledge what horrific atrocities Hamas perpetrated on Jewish women and girls. It wasn't JUST rape, though that's bad enough. Here's just a sampling. Now please shut up with your ONE example of an IDF soldier coercing a woman into having sex with him in return for a work permit. As if there's ANY comparison at all. 
In the video, the woman known as Witness S mimes the attackers picking up and passing the victim from one to another. "She was alive," the witness says. "She was bleeding from her back." She goes on to detail how the men cut off parts of the victim's body during the assault. "They sliced her breast and threw it on the street," she says. "They were playing with it." The victim was passed to another man in uniform, she continues. "He penetrated her, and shot her in the head before he finished. He didn't even pick up his pants; he shoots and ejaculates." One man we spoke to from the festival site said he heard the "noises and screams of people being murdered, raped, decapitated". To our question about how he could be sure - without seeing it - that the screams he heard indicated sexual assault rather than other kinds of violence, he said he believed while listening at the time that it could only have been rape. A statement he made through a support organisation describes it as "inhuman". "Some women were raped before they were dead, some raped while injured, and some were already dead when the terrorists raped their lifeless bodies," his statement says. "I desperately wanted to help, but there was nothing I could do." Multiple photographs from the sites after the attack show the bodies of women naked from the waist down, or with their underwear ripped to one side, legs splayed, with signs of trauma to their genitals and legs. "It really feels like Hamas learned how to weaponise women's bodies from ISIS [the Islamic State group] in Iraq, from cases in Bosnia," said Dr Cochav Elkayam-Levy, a legal expert at the Davis Institute of International Relations at Hebrew University. "It brings me chills just to know the details that they knew about what to do to women: cut their organs, mutilate their genitals, rape. It's horrifying to know this." "I spoke with at least three girls who are now hospitalised for a very hard psychiatric situation because of the rapes they watched," Minister May Golan told me. "They pretended to be dead and they watched it, and heard everything. And they can't deal with it." Israel's police chief Yaacov Shabtai said that many survivors of the attacks were finding it difficult to talk and that he thought some of them would never testify about what they saw or experienced. "Eighteen young men and women have been hospitalised in mental health hospitals because they could no longer function," he said. Others are reportedly suicidal. One of those working with the teams around survivors told the BBC that some had already killed themselves. Much of the evidence has come from the volunteer body-collectors deployed after the attacks, and those who handled the bodies once they arrived at the Shura army base for identification. One of the body-collectors volunteering with the religious organisation Zaka described to me signs of torture and mutilation which included, he said, a pregnant woman whose womb had been ripped open before she was killed, and her foetus stabbed while it was inside her. "One was sexually terrorised with a knife stuck in her vagina and all her internal organs removed," his statement says. At the festival site, he says small shelters were "filled with piles of women. Their clothing was torn on the upper part, but their bottoms were completely naked. Piles and piles of women. […] When you took a closer look at their heads, you saw a single shot straight to the brain of each." Hundreds of bodies were collected from the attack sites by volunteers. "For the first five days, we still had terrorists on the ground in Israel," May Golan said. "And there were hundreds, hundreds of bodies everywhere. They were burned, they were without organs, they were butchered completely." "This was a mass casualty event," police spokesman Dean Elsdunne told journalists at a briefing. Teams here told us they'd seen clear evidence of rape and sexual violence on the bodies coming in, including broken pelvises from sustained violent abuse. "We see women of all ages," one of the reservists on the forensic team, Captain Maayan, told the BBC. "We see rape victims. We see women who have been through violation. We have pathologists and we see the bruises, we learn about the cuts and tears, and we know they have been sexually abused." I ask her what proportion of the bodies she's handled show signs of this. "Abundant," she said. "Abundant amount of women and girls of all ages." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 |
Anonymous
I have read the bbc article and other reporting. It is horrific, you are correct. And yet the statement “Israelis don’t rape Palestinian women” remains untrue. Rape by the IDF doesn’t justify more rape by Hamas. Just as rape by Hamas doesn’t justify the killing of Palestinian children. Perpetuating a cycle of evil doesn’t make either side “good”. That’s why at the end of Apartheid they didn’t put the white South Africans into Bantustans and at the end of WWII there were trials, not more mass killings. |
Anonymous
The poster I responded to if you read back categorically stated that “Israelis do NOT rape Palestinian women”. This is simply untrue. |
Anonymous
You are equating what this IDF soldier did to what Hamas did. They are not equivalent. I don’t understand why you don’t see that? Are there men in Israel who are rapists? Of course there are. There are taoist’s everywhere. Hello, US Coastguard? What Hamas did was an act of war, using rape as an act of war. |
Anonymous
I am not “equating” anything. I am saying that the statement “Israelis do NOT rape Palestinian women” is untrue. Making broad false statements about one side of a conflict is foolish. It doesn’t make Hamas any “better” to admit Israeli have committed offenses against Palestinians. |
Anonymous
Just a reminder this is the statement categorically denying Israelis have tortured and raped Palestinian women which is precisely what the Israeli justice system says has taken place. |