Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Oh, that’s right!

Hamas drew first blood in this “Nothing before 10/7 matters or even happened, you stupid gentile!” alternate universe.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Well, and let’s be clear, Jews have suffered at the hands of Arabs for centuries. So if we’re going to get caught up in who did what and proportional response, Arabs or Palestinians do not have a leg to stand on.

But fortunately for the Palestinians most people on the world know very little about history, know even less about Jewish history in the Levant region and the Middle East more broadly, and also hate Jews. Nothing Israel says, shows, does - or Jews for that matter - will be enough.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Oh, that’s right!

Hamas drew first blood in this “Nothing before 10/7 matters or even happened, you stupid gentile!” alternate universe.


Sorry - are you saying Israelis have raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered Palestinians before 10/7? Or even after? Israelis are now in a war with Gaza - deaths happen in war. Because of Hamas. Beyond bizarre that you can't acknowledge this.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Oh, that’s right!

Hamas drew first blood in this “Nothing before 10/7 matters or even happened, you stupid gentile!” alternate universe.


I bet you're a big #MeToo supporter, amirite? Except when it comes to Jewish women and girls, of course.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Well, and let’s be clear, Jews have suffered at the hands of Arabs for centuries. So if we’re going to get caught up in who did what and proportional response, Arabs or Palestinians do not have a leg to stand on.

But fortunately for the Palestinians most people on the world know very little about history, know even less about Jewish history in the Levant region and the Middle East more broadly, and also hate Jews. Nothing Israel says, shows, does - or Jews for that matter - will be enough.


And so the solution is the killing of at least 8,000 children?

Is Israel the good guys or not? If you’re the good guys, act like it. If you’re the bad guys— or want to be judged by the standards of the bad guys— stop demanding everyone look at 8,000 dead children and say “yeah that’s fine” because it can’t be done.

And a lot of the people refusing to say “yeah that’s fine” about 8,000 dead children? Are Jewish. And they’re being arrested standing up and saying 8,000 dead children isn’t ok. Don’t come out with this nonsense that Jewish people “can’t do enough” when there are people like this saying you’re wrong

https://www.commondreams.org/news/chained-to-white-house-fence-jewish-elders-chant-cease-fire-not-genocide
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Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.


No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.


I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.


Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.


It hasn’t been true for decades that Israel can “only” defend itself with active U.S backing. It is certainly easier for them to do so without, for example, the UNSC passing resolutions calling for ceasefire but it is not “only”. So no, I am still not calling for Israel’s “self destruction”.

I am saying the U.S. public does not support the war as it is being carried out right now. They don’t support the indiscriminate killing of civilians, shooting hostages, starving children. So the U.S. needs to change how it approaches assisting Israel. Perhaps conditioning aid, perhaps giving less cover at the UN, perhaps working more closely with those groups actually seeking a peaceful solution. None of that “destroys” Israel and all of it reflects the values of the U.S.


Unfortunately, the weirdo you're trying to reason with is an Islamophobic bigot whose Zionist worldview doesn't share common values with America. Their schtick is that Hamas is solely responsible for the 14,000+ dead innocent civilians in Gaza (the IDF's numbers, not mine) over the past 10-11 weeks; after 10/7, apparently everyone's prior memory was erased and Israel was literally free to do whatever it wanted in the name of "defending itself".

And if not Hamas, then YOU are apparently responsible for not calling for Hamas to surrender from your current location. Because let's face it, Haniyeh and Sinwar are just waiting for you to make that call.

This weirdo, and those like them, value Jewish life above all others, and if they had an ounce of integrity, they would just cop to that. Frankly, they'd be respected by more people for at least being truthful.

They are a segment of worldwide Jewry, but certainly not all. Like most communities, there's an evolved, significant segment of worldwide Jewry who believe in living in peace with others is important, who believe that their place in the world is not intrinsically more important than that of others, and who don't use serially deceptive tactics to malign others at every turn in the road. You can't connect with them because they don't dwell here, sharing their peaceful views.

But this segment you're trying to reason with? They think they're better than everyone else - by birthright. They terrorize the Palestinians today because we enable them to use our global superpower status and our $$$ as unaccountable, malignant regional bullies. They think their fairytale mandate from god forever anointed them chosen, and they don't give a rip about human rights, compassion, or the right to live free of terror for anyone other than Jews. Look at the smug disposition of Israel's leader, FFS. Zero regard for cooperation on the global stage. Just a smug POS terrorist

And of course, anyone who dares to state the obvious is anti-semitic to them.

It's a waste of time. There's no reasoning with crazy.




Pidgin, you back? I thought you only posted at night.


Good golly, this Pidgin character is living absolutely rent free in your dome. Have you consulted with a capable therapist yet?


Good golly, Pidgin. I did get under your antisemitic skin. Mission accomplished.

Pidgin character

1. Comments on posters “mastery of the English language” and calls it Pidgin
2. Uses “shill list” here and there
3. Wants to deport dual citizens
4. Uses antisemitic tropes that misinterpret “chosen people, “light upon nations” and “the promised land” to fit his narrative
5. Constantly talks about the world Jewry aka cabal
6. Uses the word Zionism as an accustom and equates it to Nazism
7. States that Israelis are bloodthirsty

Has the weirdest way with words, hyper emotional, tangential, and caustic

and so on

Did I forget something from your playbook?
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.


The bolded is not true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officer-who-raped-palestinian-was-not-dismissed-for-earlier-sexual-offenses/


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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Well, and let’s be clear, Jews have suffered at the hands of Arabs for centuries. So if we’re going to get caught up in who did what and proportional response, Arabs or Palestinians do not have a leg to stand on.

But fortunately for the Palestinians most people on the world know very little about history, know even less about Jewish history in the Levant region and the Middle East more broadly, and also hate Jews. Nothing Israel says, shows, does - or Jews for that matter - will be enough.


And so the solution is the killing of at least 8,000 children?

Is Israel the good guys or not? If you’re the good guys, act like it. If you’re the bad guys— or want to be judged by the standards of the bad guys— stop demanding everyone look at 8,000 dead children and say “yeah that’s fine” because it can’t be done.

And a lot of the people refusing to say “yeah that’s fine” about 8,000 dead children? Are Jewish. And they’re being arrested standing up and saying 8,000 dead children isn’t ok. Don’t come out with this nonsense that Jewish people “can’t do enough” when there are people like this saying you’re wrong

https://www.commondreams.org/news/chained-to-white-house-fence-jewish-elders-chant-cease-fire-not-genocide


DP. Once again: Hamas tortured, mutilated, raped, and murdered many women, men, and children. They are fully within their rights to fight back. Where's your condemnation for Hamas?
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.


The bolded is not true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officer-who-raped-palestinian-was-not-dismissed-for-earlier-sexual-offenses/


Well, look at you! You found one IDF soldier who raped one Palestinian woman - almost six years ago. Bravo? Now tell us all about the dozens of Israeli women Hamas brutally mutilated, raped and/or murdered. Read this (if you dare) and then get back to us, you utter moron.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.


The bolded is not true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officer-who-raped-palestinian-was-not-dismissed-for-earlier-sexual-offenses/


Well, look at you! You found one IDF soldier who raped one Palestinian woman - almost six years ago. Bravo? Now tell us all about the dozens of Israeli women Hamas brutally mutilated, raped and/or murdered. Read this (if you dare) and then get back to us, you utter moron.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181


You didn’t read the article did you?


“The officer was found to have raped one Palestinian woman, who had come to him to receive a permit to work in Israel, on at least two occasions. He also repeatedly sexually harassed her, trying to get her to have sex with other people as well.

The military court, based in part on audio recordings that the woman made, determined that in the first instance of rape, the officer had forced her to have sex with him and then made her clean up the floor afterwards, before giving her the work permit.

A few days later, he called her and told her that he had rescinded the permit and again forced her to have sex with him in order to get it back.

In both cases, the Palestinian woman refused his demands for sex, and in both cases, he threatened to take away her work permit if she told anyone about the rape.

He was also convicted of receiving a bribe by forcing another Palestinian woman to have sex with him multiple times in exchange for a work permit. Despite the clear power imbalance, this was not deemed to have been rape as the victim did not explicitly refuse his demands for sex.”

So tell me, you believe one Israeli soldier raping and coercing at least two Palestinian women is fine. What is the number at which rape becomes unacceptable to you?

What is the number of civilian casualties before indiscriminate bombing becomes unacceptable to you?

Because it seems from your attitude the answer is — the limit does not exist so long as the victims are Palestinians. So just say so. Don’t play games that you suddenly care about rape or the abuse of children.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


Well, and let’s be clear, Jews have suffered at the hands of Arabs for centuries. So if we’re going to get caught up in who did what and proportional response, Arabs or Palestinians do not have a leg to stand on.

But fortunately for the Palestinians most people on the world know very little about history, know even less about Jewish history in the Levant region and the Middle East more broadly, and also hate Jews. Nothing Israel says, shows, does - or Jews for that matter - will be enough.


And so the solution is the killing of at least 8,000 children?

Is Israel the good guys or not? If you’re the good guys, act like it. If you’re the bad guys— or want to be judged by the standards of the bad guys— stop demanding everyone look at 8,000 dead children and say “yeah that’s fine” because it can’t be done.

And a lot of the people refusing to say “yeah that’s fine” about 8,000 dead children? Are Jewish. And they’re being arrested standing up and saying 8,000 dead children isn’t ok. Don’t come out with this nonsense that Jewish people “can’t do enough” when there are people like this saying you’re wrong

https://www.commondreams.org/news/chained-to-white-house-fence-jewish-elders-chant-cease-fire-not-genocide


DP. Once again: Hamas tortured, mutilated, raped, and murdered many women, men, and children. They are fully within their rights to fight back. Where's your condemnation for Hamas?


None of those 8,000 children— especially the premature babies who weren’t even born on October 7th— did anything. They didn’t torture anyone. They didn’t rape anyone. They didn’t mutilate anyone. Their deaths are not “fighting back” against anyone. They are a tragedy as profound as the civilians deaths on October 7th, there are just so many more of them.
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
DP


It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.


The bolded is not true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officer-who-raped-palestinian-was-not-dismissed-for-earlier-sexual-offenses/


Well, look at you! You found one IDF soldier who raped one Palestinian woman - almost six years ago. Bravo? Now tell us all about the dozens of Israeli women Hamas brutally mutilated, raped and/or murdered. Read this (if you dare) and then get back to us, you utter moron.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181


You didn’t read the article did you?


“The officer was found to have raped one Palestinian woman, who had come to him to receive a permit to work in Israel, on at least two occasions. He also repeatedly sexually harassed her, trying to get her to have sex with other people as well.

The military court, based in part on audio recordings that the woman made, determined that in the first instance of rape, the officer had forced her to have sex with him and then made her clean up the floor afterwards, before giving her the work permit.

A few days later, he called her and told her that he had rescinded the permit and again forced her to have sex with him in order to get it back.

In both cases, the Palestinian woman refused his demands for sex, and in both cases, he threatened to take away her work permit if she told anyone about the rape.

He was also convicted of receiving a bribe by forcing another Palestinian woman to have sex with him multiple times in exchange for a work permit. Despite the clear power imbalance, this was not deemed to have been rape as the victim did not explicitly refuse his demands for sex.”

So tell me, you believe one Israeli soldier raping and coercing at least two Palestinian women is fine. What is the number at which rape becomes unacceptable to you?

What is the number of civilian casualties before indiscriminate bombing becomes unacceptable to you?

Because it seems from your attitude the answer is — the limit does not exist so long as the victims are Palestinians. So just say so. Don’t play games that you suddenly care about rape or the abuse of children.



What the soldier did was horrible. But! he was caught and brought to justice. The rapes of Israeli women by Hamas animals was celebrated in Gaza. None of the terrorists would have bet face justice unless Israel brought it upon them. In fact, WB pays the terrorists salary for life and to their families when the terrorist
are “martyred”
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Anonymous wrote:did anyone see the new survey that shows 72% of palestinians support Hamas's actions on Oct 7? https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html


If the IDF hurt one of my children, I regret to say that I'd probably do more than support Hamas. After the IDF has killed and mutilated, displaced, and starved so many Palestinians, I'm surprised that number is as low as 72%.


Yes. This. Israel’s outsized response is only servicing to make Jews less safe worldwide. If you think IDF’s response has been justified based on 1200 deaths and 250 kidnapped victims, just imagine what the Palestinians want to do to Israelis for 20x that amount of suffering.


Wow. What both of you numbskulls conveniently ignore is the FACT that Hamas brutally mutilated, tortured, raped, and murdered, children and other innocent civilians FIRST. Why is it so easy for you to totally twist this narrative? Do you know how insane you sound?
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It is a mistake to try to assign a “first” in this conflict. You are correct that Hamas carried out a brutal attack on October 7th, but they didn’t spring into existence on October 6th.

https://prospect.org/world/2023-10-20-west-bank-settlements-conflict-gaza/

A very interesting article written by an Israeli author.


That's behind a firewall. At any rate, regardless of Jewish settlements, etc. - Israelis have NOT tortured and raped Palestinian women and children. Hamas are monsters. I hope they're eradicated from the face of the earth.


The bolded is not true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officer-who-raped-palestinian-was-not-dismissed-for-earlier-sexual-offenses/


Well, look at you! You found one IDF soldier who raped one Palestinian woman - almost six years ago. Bravo? Now tell us all about the dozens of Israeli women Hamas brutally mutilated, raped and/or murdered. Read this (if you dare) and then get back to us, you utter moron.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181


You didn’t read the article did you?


“The officer was found to have raped one Palestinian woman, who had come to him to receive a permit to work in Israel, on at least two occasions. He also repeatedly sexually harassed her, trying to get her to have sex with other people as well.

The military court, based in part on audio recordings that the woman made, determined that in the first instance of rape, the officer had forced her to have sex with him and then made her clean up the floor afterwards, before giving her the work permit.

A few days later, he called her and told her that he had rescinded the permit and again forced her to have sex with him in order to get it back.

In both cases, the Palestinian woman refused his demands for sex, and in both cases, he threatened to take away her work permit if she told anyone about the rape.

He was also convicted of receiving a bribe by forcing another Palestinian woman to have sex with him multiple times in exchange for a work permit. Despite the clear power imbalance, this was not deemed to have been rape as the victim did not explicitly refuse his demands for sex.”

So tell me, you believe one Israeli soldier raping and coercing at least two Palestinian women is fine. What is the number at which rape becomes unacceptable to you?

What is the number of civilian casualties before indiscriminate bombing becomes unacceptable to you?

Because it seems from your attitude the answer is — the limit does not exist so long as the victims are Palestinians. So just say so. Don’t play games that you suddenly care about rape or the abuse of children.



What the soldier did was horrible. But! he was caught and brought to justice. The rapes of Israeli women by Hamas animals was celebrated in Gaza. None of the terrorists would have bet face justice unless Israel brought it upon them. In fact, WB pays the terrorists salary for life and to their families when the terrorist
are “martyred”


In your last three posts you’ve gone from “Israelis do NOT rape Palestinians” to “it only ever happened once” to “it’s fine when the Israelis do because this particular individual went to jail”. Do you think his is the only such case?

Rape isn’t justified. Period. It’s barbaric when Hamas does it and it’s barbaric when the Israelis do it. The difference is that one is a group globally recognized as terrorists and one is a country absolutely insisting they care about civilians and then behaving counter to those statements.

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