FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

[Anonymous]

So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Once you start talking about providing 7th and 8th graders with options to attend KAA or not, you're really admitting the overcrowding at other schools, or the negative impact of these oh-so-long commutes to Westfield and Oakton, isn't that severe.

It's fun to watch these people trip over themselves undermining the arguments they make for why spending so much money on a new school was the best use of FCPS's capital resources.

Using your logic above is like saying offering grandfathering in any capacity means that no changes were really necessary anywhere. You're looking for a "gotcha" but you're not doing a good job of finding one.
Now I happen to agree that they should not be given a choice, but I understand the people suggesting it to try quiet the parents who only care about their kids right now (which lets be honest is all of us) and not what is best in the long term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Once you start talking about providing 7th and 8th graders with options to attend KAA or not, you're really admitting the overcrowding at other schools, or the negative impact of these oh-so-long commutes to Westfield and Oakton, isn't that severe.

It's fun to watch these people trip over themselves undermining the arguments they make for why spending so much money on a new school was the best use of FCPS's capital resources.

Using your logic above is like saying offering grandfathering in any capacity means that no changes were really necessary anywhere. You're looking for a "gotcha" but you're not doing a good job of finding one.
Now I happen to agree that they should not be given a choice, but I understand the people suggesting it to try quiet the parents who only care about their kids right now (which lets be honest is all of us) and not what is best in the long term.

Oh, I think you are responding to the Nextdoor poster who screams constantly about this school. There is nothing you can do about her. She claims there are no overcrowded schools.

[Anonymous]

I’m in Fox Mill and Option A seems nuts unless we start going to Hughes instead of Carson.
The split feeder from Carson to SLHS was awful for my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crossfield parent here - I'm excited about the possibility of KAA. I really hope the parents who are organizing don't tip the scales to scenario B. They are just a vocal minority. Everyone I know with elementary-aged kids wants to go to KAA because it's a much shorter commute and keeps kids with their middle school friends.

Fingers crossed that the XFLD PTO does not get their way!!

Just because you say the majority of crossfield parents want KAA doesn't make it true. Where did you get that data?

Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

Option D carves out Navy island only. That may be a vocal group but loudest voices are going to be from Crossfield. They get moved to the new high school in option D.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

[Anonymous]

Option C & D also pull the cutout of Crossfield that attends Hughes and South Lakes into KAA, which is an odd choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Once you start talking about providing 7th and 8th graders with options to attend KAA or not, you're really admitting the overcrowding at other schools, or the negative impact of these oh-so-long commutes to Westfield and Oakton, isn't that severe.

It's fun to watch these people trip over themselves undermining the arguments they make for why spending so much money on a new school was the best use of FCPS's capital resources.

Using your logic above is like saying offering grandfathering in any capacity means that no changes were really necessary anywhere. You're looking for a "gotcha" but you're not doing a good job of finding one.
Now I happen to agree that they should not be given a choice, but I understand the people suggesting it to try quiet the parents who only care about their kids right now (which lets be honest is all of us) and not what is best in the long term.

There's an obvious difference between grandfathering existing students at a school and giving kids who haven't even started attending high school an option to pick between two schools. Especially when one of the schools is a new school, and they should be aiming to get it up and running with as few uncertainties as possible about the size of their initial classes.

Honestly, this all reeks of a superintendent and school board unsure of their own footing and trying to appease people at every step because they've lost sight of whatever it is they thought they were trying to accomplish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Once you start talking about providing 7th and 8th graders with options to attend KAA or not, you're really admitting the overcrowding at other schools, or the negative impact of these oh-so-long commutes to Westfield and Oakton, isn't that severe.

It's fun to watch these people trip over themselves undermining the arguments they make for why spending so much money on a new school was the best use of FCPS's capital resources.

Using your logic above is like saying offering grandfathering in any capacity means that no changes were really necessary anywhere. You're looking for a "gotcha" but you're not doing a good job of finding one.
Now I happen to agree that they should not be given a choice, but I understand the people suggesting it to try quiet the parents who only care about their kids right now (which lets be honest is all of us) and not what is best in the long term.

Oh, I think you are responding to the Nextdoor poster who screams constantly about this school. There is nothing you can do about her. She claims there are no overcrowded schools.

Nope, different poster. It's funny how you think there's only one person questioning FCPS's haphazard decisions and approaches these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Fox Mill and Floris were selected by South Lakes PTSA and Stu Gibson to address demographics of South Lakes. Those ESes are about 100% MC/UMCs. If the UMC Restonians who returned to South Lakes after the demographics fix and the new "for IB" Herndonians continue to go to South Lakes, South Lakes will be fine. If not, South Lakes will end up back the way it was prior to the SLHS redistricting.

I am fully aware of that. But it was long time ago. Meren is not Stu Gibson and South Lakes PTSA has been quiet so far.

It would be rather ironic if this RD that intended One Fairfaxing FCPS ends up blowing up the SLHS redistricting...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Fox Mill and Floris were selected by South Lakes PTSA and Stu Gibson to address demographics of South Lakes. Those ESes are about 100% MC/UMCs. If the UMC Restonians who returned to South Lakes after the demographics fix and the new "for IB" Herndonians continue to go to South Lakes, South Lakes will be fine. If not, South Lakes will end up back the way it was prior to the SLHS redistricting.

I am fully aware of that. But it was long time ago. Meren is not Stu Gibson and South Lakes PTSA has been quiet so far.

It would be rather ironic if this RD that intended One Fairfaxing FCPS ends up blowing up the SLHS redistricting...

The proposal to move Bren Mar Park from Edison to Annandale undoes half of the 2011 boundary change that moved part of Annandale to Woodson and Edison.

I don't think moving Fox Mill or the Floris part of South Lakes to KAA would blow up the 2008 South Lakes redistricting. Times have changed, South Lakes has more kids now, and they get hundreds of motivated kids from Herndon now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option C & D also pull the cutout of Crossfield that attends Hughes and South Lakes into KAA, which is an odd choice.

I really feel like that small Fox Mill Woods neighborhood should go to Hunters Woods instead of Crossfield. That way they would be in a true school pyramid with all their neighbors. People from there have posted many times that they are a "Reston" and not affiliated with Oakton or Herndon.