Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is Joseph Ryan in this story? How is he related to Christine Banfield? AP?

Are you joking? If not, go read a news article. He’s the man that was lured to the home from a fetish website he frequented from an account created on Christine Banfield’s computer. They tried to set it up to make it look like he murdered her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is Joseph Ryan in this story? How is he related to Christine Banfield? AP?

The deceased for starters.

The Commonwealth has suggested it was a ruse by someone other than CB. Look up Mark Winger case. More detail may come out from hearing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is Joseph Ryan in this story? How is he related to Christine Banfield? AP?

Are you joking? If not, go read a news article. He’s the man that was lured to the home from a fetish website he frequented from an account created on Christine Banfield’s computer. They tried to set it up to make it look like he murdered her.

Oh sorry… wild.

I skimmed a few articles and that was not mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

I HOPE she thinks she should cooperate with the Commonwealth for a lesser sentence so they can nail that sociopath.

He really does think he's smarter than everyone else. I agree, even the photos ONLINE and her posts are clear.

Him paying her lawyer seems like a bit of a conflict, but I guess since not in same case is ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is Joseph Ryan in this story? How is he related to Christine Banfield? AP?

Are you joking? If not, go read a news article. He’s the man that was lured to the home from a fetish website he frequented from an account created on Christine Banfield’s computer. They tried to set it up to make it look like he murdered her.

Oh sorry… wild.

I skimmed a few articles and that was not mentioned.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/affairs-fetish-activity-alleged-at-hearing-for-au-pair-charged-in-reston-murder-fairfax-county-judge-denies-bond/ar-AA1iXH1m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Winger

[Anonymous]

Isn't this the first time we have heard prosecutors allege that BB also shot Joe? He did say on the 911 call that he shot Joe, so this fits in with that. If he and AP both shot Joe, why has only one of them been charged?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this the first time we have heard prosecutors allege that BB also shot Joe? He did say on the 911 call that he shot Joe, so this fits in with that. If he and AP both shot Joe, why has only one of them been charged?

Charged SO FAR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this the first time we have heard prosecutors allege that BB also shot Joe? He did say on the 911 call that he shot Joe, so this fits in with that. If he and AP both shot Joe, why has only one of them been charged?

Charged SO FAR.

Right, why not BB yet? Why do they think they have enough evidence against AP but not BB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

Not PP. But I was there.

BB pled to fifth to everything, even when asked if he was married to CB.

His lawyer came out before his testimony and said, "he's going to plead the fifth to everything". And he was following his lawyer's lead during the questioning. The prosecution used it to as hammer him with questions that laid out their version of events, while he kept repeating "I plead the fifth". Juliana's lawyer questioned the relevance of even having him testify, since he's a suspect and wouldn't provide anything other than a media spectacle. They argued that the prosecutor was trying to prejudice the jury pool by making a media spectacle. The judge agreed but also said that he can't take that into account. So he let the prosecution fire away.


Several witnesses were called.

1- Friend of JR who identified the body

2- Fire captain who arrived on scene.

3- Morgue doctor
- Confirmed two gunshots,
- (First shot) one in the right eye, which was considered "rapidly fatal"
- (Second shot) One in the chest which also hit the heart
- Both shots were considered rapidly fatal
- There was probability that JR could move and see after the first shot,

4- Major Crimes Detective
- Did an 8 hour interview with AP immediately after the shooting
- Only went to house 8 mos after the incident during arrest
- AP told him that she had shot JR during the interview

5- Gun Range Manager
- confirmed documents that showed BB and AP with to the gun range together 2 times
- and that BB later bought a glock from the gun range at separate date

6- BB testified
- Mostly pleaded the fifth. Even to basic questions. Lawyer was there advising him not to answer.

7- Detective came back for some further questions

Defense wasn't allowed to enter any evidence. Defense also has it's main argument shut-down by judge over "completeness of facts" rule.
Defense wanted to go into more detail regarding the detective's interview with AP, but the judge deemed that to be hearsay. Unless AP wanted to testify directly. She didn't speak during the entire hearing.

Facts established during the hearing by Juliana's lawyer:
- BB left house, went to nearby mcdonald's
- CB bought zoo tickets for Juliana and kid
- AP left the house with kid, forgot lunch, came back
- AP sees a man with a bag enter the front door of the house
- AP calls CB , no response
- AP calls BB, who calls CB, no response, then calls AP back
- BB arrives to house, they all go in through basement door
- BB goes upstairs to first floor, sounds like he was on first floor listening
- AP goes up after some time and finds BB,
- they both go up to top floor and BB enters first
- She hears them screaming at each other "put down the knife", "put down the gun"
- Flesh hitting sounds were mentioned at some point

Facts established by both (continuing timeline from above):
- Gunshot
- AP enters room,
- gets gun from master bathroom safe
- JR is on ground, moving
- AP shoots him when he moves



Facts established during the hearing by prosecution:
- first 911 call was played with "man's moaning" in the background
- AP told detective that she shot at JR when he moved on the ground
- BB and AP went to gun range together
- Entered several documents and photos, including gun range entry, BB's gun purchase, pics of the scene, pics of the master bedroom 8 mos with AP's things, pics of the master bedroom + master bathroom gun safe location
- The shooting happened in the master bedroom, and the gun safe was in the master bathroom closet.
- Also some of what i mentioned above was repeated by prosecution, mainly stuff at the end.

Judge:
- Said that since AP admitted to shooting JR, and the law presumes malice for second degree murder, there is enough probable cause to proceed with the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

Not PP. But I was there.

BB pled to fifth to everything, even when asked if he was married to CB.

His lawyer came out before his testimony and said, "he's going to plead the fifth to everything". And he was following his lawyer's lead during the questioning. The prosecution used it to as hammer him with questions that laid out their version of events, while he kept repeating "I plead the fifth". Juliana's lawyer questioned the relevance of even having him testify, since he's a suspect and wouldn't provide anything other than a media spectacle. They argued that the prosecutor was trying to prejudice the jury pool by making a media spectacle. The judge agreed but also said that he can't take that into account. So he let the prosecution fire away.


Several witnesses were called.

1- Friend of JR who identified the body

2- Fire captain who arrived on scene.

3- Morgue doctor
- Confirmed two gunshots,
- (First shot) one in the right eye, which was considered "rapidly fatal"
- (Second shot) One in the chest which also hit the heart
- Both shots were considered rapidly fatal
- There was probability that JR could move and see after the first shot,

4- Major Crimes Detective
- Did an 8 hour interview with AP immediately after the shooting
- Only went to house 8 mos after the incident during arrest
- AP told him that she had shot JR during the interview

5- Gun Range Manager
- confirmed documents that showed BB and AP with to the gun range together 2 times
- and that BB later bought a glock from the gun range at separate date

6- BB testified
- Mostly pleaded the fifth. Even to basic questions. Lawyer was there advising him not to answer.

7- Detective came back for some further questions

Defense wasn't allowed to enter any evidence. Defense also has it's main argument shut-down by judge over "completeness of facts" rule.
Defense wanted to go into more detail regarding the detective's interview with AP, but the judge deemed that to be hearsay. Unless AP wanted to testify directly. She didn't speak during the entire hearing.

Facts established during the hearing by Juliana's lawyer:
- BB left house, went to nearby mcdonald's
- CB bought zoo tickets for Juliana and kid
- AP left the house with kid, forgot lunch, came back
- AP sees a man with a bag enter the front door of the house
- AP calls CB , no response
- AP calls BB, who calls CB, no response, then calls AP back
- BB arrives to house, they all go in through basement door
- BB goes upstairs to first floor, sounds like he was on first floor listening
- AP goes up after some time and finds BB,
- they both go up to top floor and BB enters first
- She hears them screaming at each other "put down the knife", "put down the gun"
- Flesh hitting sounds were mentioned at some point

Facts established by both (continuing timeline from above):
- Gunshot
- AP enters room,
- gets gun from master bathroom safe
- JR is on ground, moving
- AP shoots him when he moves



Facts established during the hearing by prosecution:
- first 911 call was played with "man's moaning" in the background
- AP told detective that she shot at JR when he moved on the ground
- BB and AP went to gun range together
- Entered several documents and photos, including gun range entry, BB's gun purchase, pics of the scene, pics of the master bedroom 8 mos with AP's things, pics of the master bedroom + master bathroom gun safe location
- The shooting happened in the master bedroom, and the gun safe was in the master bathroom closet.
- Also some of what i mentioned above was repeated by prosecution, mainly stuff at the end.

Judge:
- Said that since AP admitted to shooting JR, and the law presumes malice for second degree murder, there is enough probable cause to proceed with the case.

WOW! Thank you so much.

So the shooting was IN the Master?? He stayed in the master with the AP where his wife was killed? So freaking bizarre.

[Anonymous]

"first 911 call was played with "man's moaning" in the background"

Well this debunks the thought that AP called 911 before entering the house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

Not PP. But I was there.

BB pled to fifth to everything, even when asked if he was married to CB.

His lawyer came out before his testimony and said, "he's going to plead the fifth to everything". And he was following his lawyer's lead during the questioning. The prosecution used it to as hammer him with questions that laid out their version of events, while he kept repeating "I plead the fifth". Juliana's lawyer questioned the relevance of even having him testify, since he's a suspect and wouldn't provide anything other than a media spectacle. They argued that the prosecutor was trying to prejudice the jury pool by making a media spectacle. The judge agreed but also said that he can't take that into account. So he let the prosecution fire away.


Several witnesses were called.

1- Friend of JR who identified the body

2- Fire captain who arrived on scene.

3- Morgue doctor
- Confirmed two gunshots,
- (First shot) one in the right eye, which was considered "rapidly fatal"
- (Second shot) One in the chest which also hit the heart
- Both shots were considered rapidly fatal
- There was probability that JR could move and see after the first shot,

4- Major Crimes Detective
- Did an 8 hour interview with AP immediately after the shooting
- Only went to house 8 mos after the incident during arrest
- AP told him that she had shot JR during the interview

5- Gun Range Manager
- confirmed documents that showed BB and AP with to the gun range together 2 times
- and that BB later bought a glock from the gun range at separate date

6- BB testified
- Mostly pleaded the fifth. Even to basic questions. Lawyer was there advising him not to answer.

7- Detective came back for some further questions

Defense wasn't allowed to enter any evidence. Defense also has it's main argument shut-down by judge over "completeness of facts" rule.
Defense wanted to go into more detail regarding the detective's interview with AP, but the judge deemed that to be hearsay. Unless AP wanted to testify directly. She didn't speak during the entire hearing.

Facts established during the hearing by Juliana's lawyer:
- BB left house, went to nearby mcdonald's
- CB bought zoo tickets for Juliana and kid
- AP left the house with kid, forgot lunch, came back
- AP sees a man with a bag enter the front door of the house
- AP calls CB , no response
- AP calls BB, who calls CB, no response, then calls AP back
- BB arrives to house, they all go in through basement door
- BB goes upstairs to first floor, sounds like he was on first floor listening
- AP goes up after some time and finds BB,
- they both go up to top floor and BB enters first
- She hears them screaming at each other "put down the knife", "put down the gun"
- Flesh hitting sounds were mentioned at some point

Facts established by both (continuing timeline from above):
- Gunshot
- AP enters room,
- gets gun from master bathroom safe
- JR is on ground, moving
- AP shoots him when he moves



Facts established during the hearing by prosecution:
- first 911 call was played with "man's moaning" in the background
- AP told detective that she shot at JR when he moved on the ground
- BB and AP went to gun range together
- Entered several documents and photos, including gun range entry, BB's gun purchase, pics of the scene, pics of the master bedroom 8 mos with AP's things, pics of the master bedroom + master bathroom gun safe location
- The shooting happened in the master bedroom, and the gun safe was in the master bathroom closet.
- Also some of what i mentioned above was repeated by prosecution, mainly stuff at the end.

Judge:
- Said that since AP admitted to shooting JR, and the law presumes malice for second degree murder, there is enough probable cause to proceed with the case.

Thank you, this is great!

So I'm guessing AP is charged because they have evidence that she shot JR when he was on the ground and not a threat whereas they need still need to determine if BB shot JR in self defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It says he pled the fifth when asked about a relationship with her? So bizarre. I mean there’s multiple photographic evidence and the police saw her things in his bedroom. Wonder what AP thought about him, essentially denying their relationship and not claiming his love for her in court lol.

Not PP. But I was there.

BB pled to fifth to everything, even when asked if he was married to CB.

His lawyer came out before his testimony and said, "he's going to plead the fifth to everything". And he was following his lawyer's lead during the questioning. The prosecution used it to as hammer him with questions that laid out their version of events, while he kept repeating "I plead the fifth". Juliana's lawyer questioned the relevance of even having him testify, since he's a suspect and wouldn't provide anything other than a media spectacle. They argued that the prosecutor was trying to prejudice the jury pool by making a media spectacle. The judge agreed but also said that he can't take that into account. So he let the prosecution fire away.


Several witnesses were called.

1- Friend of JR who identified the body

2- Fire captain who arrived on scene.

3- Morgue doctor
- Confirmed two gunshots,
- (First shot) one in the right eye, which was considered "rapidly fatal"
- (Second shot) One in the chest which also hit the heart
- Both shots were considered rapidly fatal
- There was probability that JR could move and see after the first shot,

4- Major Crimes Detective
- Did an 8 hour interview with AP immediately after the shooting
- Only went to house 8 mos after the incident during arrest
- AP told him that she had shot JR during the interview

5- Gun Range Manager
- confirmed documents that showed BB and AP with to the gun range together 2 times
- and that BB later bought a glock from the gun range at separate date

6- BB testified
- Mostly pleaded the fifth. Even to basic questions. Lawyer was there advising him not to answer.

7- Detective came back for some further questions

Defense wasn't allowed to enter any evidence. Defense also has it's main argument shut-down by judge over "completeness of facts" rule.
Defense wanted to go into more detail regarding the detective's interview with AP, but the judge deemed that to be hearsay. Unless AP wanted to testify directly. She didn't speak during the entire hearing.

Facts established during the hearing by Juliana's lawyer:
- BB left house, went to nearby mcdonald's
- CB bought zoo tickets for Juliana and kid
- AP left the house with kid, forgot lunch, came back
- AP sees a man with a bag enter the front door of the house
- AP calls CB , no response
- AP calls BB, who calls CB, no response, then calls AP back
- BB arrives to house, they all go in through basement door
- BB goes upstairs to first floor, sounds like he was on first floor listening
- AP goes up after some time and finds BB,
- they both go up to top floor and BB enters first
- She hears them screaming at each other "put down the knife", "put down the gun"
- Flesh hitting sounds were mentioned at some point

Facts established by both (continuing timeline from above):
- Gunshot
- AP enters room,
- gets gun from master bathroom safe
- JR is on ground, moving
- AP shoots him when he moves



Facts established during the hearing by prosecution:
- first 911 call was played with "man's moaning" in the background
- AP told detective that she shot at JR when he moved on the ground
- BB and AP went to gun range together
- Entered several documents and photos, including gun range entry, BB's gun purchase, pics of the scene, pics of the master bedroom 8 mos with AP's things, pics of the master bedroom + master bathroom gun safe location
- The shooting happened in the master bedroom, and the gun safe was in the master bathroom closet.
- Also some of what i mentioned above was repeated by prosecution, mainly stuff at the end.

Judge:
- Said that since AP admitted to shooting JR, and the law presumes malice for second degree murder, there is enough probable cause to proceed with the case.

PP here, forgot to mention one important detail that was mentioned.

- CB was fully naked and JR was fully clothed, holding a knife

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this the first time we have heard prosecutors allege that BB also shot Joe? He did say on the 911 call that he shot Joe, so this fits in with that. If he and AP both shot Joe, why has only one of them been charged?

No, per hearing last fall, VA claimed that per forensics, BB fired a shot that blinded JR, AP fired kill shot. Thus, she was charged. Should be in news articles from fall.