Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

He is another example of an overinflated ego.

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

He is another example of an overinflated ego.

He’s still alive after 35 dives.

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

He is another example of an overinflated ego.

He put himself at risk for his own interest (and ego) of deep sea exploration but I believed him when he said he wouldn’t ask someone to go along with him. The footage of his sun that they ran during the interview sat one person - him. He wasn’t trying to fund his passion project with tourism to the deep.

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

He is another example of an overinflated ego.

He put himself at risk for his own interest (and ego) of deep sea exploration but I believed him when he said he wouldn’t ask someone to go along with him. The footage of his sun that they ran during the interview sat one person - him. He wasn’t trying to fund his passion project with tourism to the deep.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

Sure, but there are almost no vessels in the world that can reach this deep, and it would take them time to get there (middle of nowhere in the ocean). Also, since this imploded, it was likely pulverized to the size of a mug, so not much to find anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

What makes you think the mother had any say in this matter? Different culture.

The mother is white/British. She's not a subservient Pakistani woman - and btw if you think Pakistani women are subservient with respect to their baby boys lol you don't know our culture. Mama always wins re her kids and esp her son at this age.

The culture issue may not be Pakistani vs European culture as much as billionaire culture. We don't know how this guy was - he actually wasn't a billionaire, "only" worth hundreds of millions. We don't know if this was a family where daddy was like you live this life because of MY money, MY empire, we'll do things MY way - and everyone went with it because of course they liked their rich lifestyle.

The guy was 19 yrs old, not 9. I mean really. I know kids are taking longer to grow up these days but man, he was 19. He could’ve said no, my kids refuse to go everywhere with me. Not blaming him but let’s not act like he was a child.

Do you have a 19 year old? Because they aren't substantively that different than a 17 or 18 year old. The thing about adulthood is that it's a process. You don't magically transform the day you turn 18. He did not have enough life experience or brain development to properly assess the risk here. He trusted his dad to guide him.

I was scared of plenty of things at that age. My dad was my cheerleader, occasionally pushing me to do things I otherwise would not have. I don't blame the kid for trusting his dad. It's a sad story and my thoughts are with his mom and sister.

I was 19 once, I am nearing 50 now. At 19 I was not much different than I am today, maturity wise. I traveled throughout Europe with one other person, had a job, and was attending college. This was a different generation though. I didn’t listen to my parents but I was mature enough to make decent choices, I am a woman though. Maybe some people are much slower to mature.

Np, thankfully this board is anonymous because admitting you haven't grown much in 30 years is embarassing.

Glad I wasn’t the only one who was surprised by this post. I cannot imagine being boastful about being as mature at 50 as you were at 19.

I have certainly seen many folks who did peak in their late teens and never experienced much personal growth afterward, but then I spend decades working in the criminal justice system and family law courts and both are packed with such folks.

How old are you? Because if you’re not over about 45, you were coddled. Kids had to grow up faster then, life wasn’t politically correct, there was no safe space, you either made it or you didn’t. I have been working for close to 30 years now, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I’m 52 and started working part time at 12 and full time by 17. At 19 I was on my own and have been self supporting ever since. But I have grown and matured fathoms between 19 and 52.

Are you a male? Because apparently males are supposed to take eons longer to mature than females. I had to mature at 19 or I would have been homeless.

Arguing endlessly that you were as mature at 19 as you are now is just . . . sad. Ok, you win, I believe you!

It’s just irritating how we are sad about the 19 year old ‘boy’ dying. He’s not a boy.

You must be a real nice person.

I’m sad about any 19 year old young man or young woman dying, it’s a terrible waste of a life.

Being irritated that people are sad at the death of a teenager says something about you that isn’t good. Best wishes to you with that burden.

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I can’t stop thinking about this but what does implosion mean? I’m trying to visualize this and the pressure? What does it do to the sub and human body? Is it like a plane explosion mid air?

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Anonymous wrote:“WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12

If they knew that why did they send so many ships and planes? Or are they only realizing this in retrospect?

Perhaps putting in a show for the public, when everyone thought the situation was still survivable?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stop thinking about this but what does implosion mean? I’m trying to visualize this and the pressure? What does it do to the sub and human body? Is it like a plane explosion mid air?

It collapses inward like a trash compactor crushing a tin can.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

DP. Yeah, I’m not really understanding the whole “search area the size of Connecticut” thing. I get that it could have moved somewhat from where it was dropped but the idea that ocean currents would push it 150 miles across the ocean floor seems crazy. Maybe I’m just not understanding how strong the currents are at that depth?

They were searching a wide stretch of the *surface* of the ocean in case the sub came to the surface and became buoyant, in which case the strong waves (it was a windy week with swells up to 7 feet!) could have totally moved it far over the course of the past several days. They had no idea it was on the ocean floor until the unmanned sub made it to the titanic wreckage this am.

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Anonymous wrote:James Cameron was just on CNN - probably the most interesting person anyone has talked to the last four days. Had great insight.

So what did he say?

Anderson Cooper interviewed him for a good 15/20min. He said a lot of things but I didn’t run a transcript lol. I thought he had great insight to safety, how this submersible was made, his previous dives & design/production of his subs, his thoughts on the lack of safety and certification of this sub, and his thoughts on carbon fiber vs other materials, and a whole lot more. I thought it was interesting and didn’t seem like opinion but fact from someone who’s actually doing this.

He is another example of an overinflated ego.

Watch the interview and then tell me who you’d rather get in a submersible with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perspective:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/22/the-greek-shipwreck-was-a-horrific-tragedy-yet-it-didnt-get-the-attention-of-the-titanic-story

Standard Guardian crybabying.

Next they'll complain that people watched Netflix during a tsunami.

Migrant shipwrecks have been an ongoing disaster for many years. It sucks, it's in the news, and geopolitics has been a catastrophe for many decades, and no one here can fix that.

The sub was unique and interesting catastrophe.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t stop thinking about this but what does implosion mean? I’m trying to visualize this and the pressure? What does it do to the sub and human body? Is it like a plane explosion mid air?

It is the opposite of explosion. In an explosion, an source on the inside of a structure (usually an ignition) drives everything catastrophically out. In an implosion, a pressure source on the outside of a structure (here, water pressure) drives everything catastrophically in.

The end result of both, to the human body, is pulverization.

This is why having a vessel that could withstand water pressure of this intensity was such a high priority, and why having failed to assure that was such a glaring mistake. Almost suicidally in error.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what the obsession with the titanic is? Why do we need to keep revisiting the story and the wreckage after all that’s already been covered about it.

The same reason people are fascinated with the British royal family. Rich people in beautiful clothes with expensive jewels. Add in a little schadenfreude that rich powerful people have a disasterous end. Plus a compelling morality play about hubris and green, which has been a golf story since at least Icharus.