CTCL schools

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all. You just have weird chip from being hurt so badly.

Who could possibly be hurt, and by what?

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

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I went to a NESCAC school and DC went to a CTCL school. He had a far better experience than I did.

he didn't get into a NESCAC school, that's why. or he did and you couldn't afford it

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

Your kid didn't get into better schools. And you know it. That's why your kid "chose" it.

I just don't get this. Why does it matter to you?

Sometimes finances choose the college. Both my VA cousins got into Duke yet their parents indicated that they could only attend if Duke offered them the difference between Duke and UVA. That didn't happen, so go Cavs for them.

I have one DC with the stats for a couple of Ivies and top NESCACs. After this DC saw what happened to senior friends this cycle, my guess is that a number of CTCL-type schools will be on DC's list. I have another DC where some CTCLs may still be reaches when that DC gets to app time. I don't blow off the latter kid just because the former kid might get into "better schools." Fit is fit.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

+1

I went to a NESCAC school and DC went to a CTCL school. He had a far better experience than I did.

he didn't get into a NESCAC school, that's why. or he did and you couldn't afford it

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Anonymous wrote:Embarrassed on behalf of the "CTCL" boosters. Just say you went to Denison or wherever. No one even knows what CTCL is.

Please provide a cite of someone who has used that term.

Are you... are you serious? Check the title of this thread. Check the first page of this thread -- "We had a good experience with a CTCL school." "CTCL families tend to be secure."

A quick two-second search yields a separate thread devoted to CTCL schools. This person in a different thread even says they have a "CTCL BA". This kind of language is rampant on DCUM but no one in real life knows or cares what CTCL is.

It's all fair and well to promote or speak about your experiences at your small LAC, but for God's sakes just use the college name. Don't resort to strange branding ploys in an attempt to make it seem more special than it is.

But people on DCUM do know what it means, and in the context of the thread you linked to, using the CTCL abbreviation was informative, wasn't it?:

CTCL BA, Ivy MPA - 125K until I had to step out of work force due to family needs
NESCAC BA, T15 law school - 900K + bonus (not a practicing attorney)

No, it would have been equally (if not moreso) informative to say that they went to a liberal arts college. Just say that. Enough with this nonsense.

CTCL tells you it's one of 44 schools. LAC tells you it's one of hundreds. Using CTCL is more informative.

So in essence your argument is that these supposed CTCL schools are better than the other non-CTCL LAC's? Superior? Arrogant and elitist.

Huh? No, my argument is that specifying which group of schools you're talking about is more helpful than using a generic term.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all. You just have weird chip from being hurt so badly.

Who could possibly be hurt, and by what?

Apparently by an innocuous marketing terms no one cares about . Why that let to the online equivalent of a murder room, I don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:Embarrassed on behalf of the "CTCL" boosters. Just say you went to Denison or wherever. No one even knows what CTCL is.

Please provide a cite of someone who has used that term.

Are you... are you serious? Check the title of this thread. Check the first page of this thread -- "We had a good experience with a CTCL school." "CTCL families tend to be secure."

A quick two-second search yields a separate thread devoted to CTCL schools. This person in a different thread even says they have a "CTCL BA". This kind of language is rampant on DCUM but no one in real life knows or cares what CTCL is.

It's all fair and well to promote or speak about your experiences at your small LAC, but for God's sakes just use the college name. Don't resort to strange branding ploys in an attempt to make it seem more special than it is.

But people on DCUM do know what it means, and in the context of the thread you linked to, using the CTCL abbreviation was informative, wasn't it?:

CTCL BA, Ivy MPA - 125K until I had to step out of work force due to family needs
NESCAC BA, T15 law school - 900K + bonus (not a practicing attorney)

No, it would have been equally (if not moreso) informative to say that they went to a liberal arts college. Just say that. Enough with this nonsense.

CTCL tells you it's one of 44 schools. LAC tells you it's one of hundreds. Using CTCL is more informative.

So in essence your argument is that these supposed CTCL schools are better than the other non-CTCL LAC's? Superior? Arrogant and elitist.

Huh? No, my argument is that specifying which group of schools you're talking about is more helpful than using a generic term.

And you're saying that "CTCL schools" are different from other LACs how?

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Anonymous wrote:Embarrassed on behalf of the "CTCL" boosters. Just say you went to Denison or wherever. No one even knows what CTCL is.

Please provide a cite of someone who has used that term.

Are you... are you serious? Check the title of this thread. Check the first page of this thread -- "We had a good experience with a CTCL school." "CTCL families tend to be secure."

A quick two-second search yields a separate thread devoted to CTCL schools. This person in a different thread even says they have a "CTCL BA". This kind of language is rampant on DCUM but no one in real life knows or cares what CTCL is.

It's all fair and well to promote or speak about your experiences at your small LAC, but for God's sakes just use the college name. Don't resort to strange branding ploys in an attempt to make it seem more special than it is.

But people on DCUM do know what it means, and in the context of the thread you linked to, using the CTCL abbreviation was informative, wasn't it?:

CTCL BA, Ivy MPA - 125K until I had to step out of work force due to family needs
NESCAC BA, T15 law school - 900K + bonus (not a practicing attorney)

No, it would have been equally (if not moreso) informative to say that they went to a liberal arts college. Just say that. Enough with this nonsense.

CTCL tells you it's one of 44 schools. LAC tells you it's one of hundreds. Using CTCL is more informative.

So in essence your argument is that these supposed CTCL schools are better than the other non-CTCL LAC's? Superior? Arrogant and elitist.

Huh? No, my argument is that specifying which group of schools you're talking about is more helpful than using a generic term.

And you're saying that "CTCL schools" are different from other LACs how?

They are a subset of schools as identified by Loren Pope over three decades ago. People who are familiar with his work will know the subset of LACs. Those who do not and still want to know might have to use Google.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

Your kid didn't get into better schools. And you know it. That's why your kid "chose" it.

I just don't get this. Why does it matter to you?

Sometimes finances choose the college. Both my VA cousins got into Duke yet their parents indicated that they could only attend if Duke offered them the difference between Duke and UVA. That didn't happen, so go Cavs for them.

I have one DC with the stats for a couple of Ivies and top NESCACs. After this DC saw what happened to senior friends this cycle, my guess is that a number of CTCL-type schools will be on DC's list. I have another DC where some CTCLs may still be reaches when that DC gets to app time. I don't blow off the latter kid just because the former kid might get into "better schools." Fit is fit.

It matters because it’s a dishonest response. Had the poster’s kid got into one of the NESCAC schools visited, the kid would’ve ended up there and the poster wouldn’t be posting how glad they were that the kid went to a CTCL school. Instead they’d be on a thread about that NESCAC school praising it.

The Duke/UVA analogy is ridiculous. They are essentially peer institutions. Yes, Duke is higher ranked by US News and somewhat more selective, but Duke/UVA is not Bowdoin/Juniata for example. Not even close. It makes heaps of sense for in state VA students to turn down schools in Duke’s class for UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

+1

I went to a NESCAC school and DC went to a CTCL school. He had a far better experience than I did.

Would love to know which CTLCs your kids liked. I also went to a NESCAC and I think it would be too intense for my kid (rising Senior so we are trying to help with the list of schools). Some of the schools seem better than others.

DP. The CTCL college fairs are a nice way to compare and contrast the various schools. As others have suggested, the CTCL events present a healthy, low-stress outlook.

And all the schools have presentations from their fairs online, if you want to start differentiating between them.

https://ctcl.org/presentations/

We are fans of Juniata.

These presentations are helpful, thank you. The outlook on fit is refreshing.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

+1

I went to a NESCAC school and DC went to a CTCL school. He had a far better experience than I did.

Would love to know which CTLCs your kids liked. I also went to a NESCAC and I think it would be too intense for my kid (rising Senior so we are trying to help with the list of schools). Some of the schools seem better than others.

DP. The CTCL college fairs are a nice way to compare and contrast the various schools. As others have suggested, the CTCL events present a healthy, low-stress outlook.

And all the schools have presentations from their fairs online, if you want to start differentiating between them.

https://ctcl.org/presentations/

We are fans of Juniata.

These presentations are helpful, thank you. The outlook on fit is refreshing.

"Fit" is a polite way of saying "the kid will get into the school."

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

+1

I went to a NESCAC school and DC went to a CTCL school. He had a far better experience than I did.

Would love to know which CTLCs your kids liked. I also went to a NESCAC and I think it would be too intense for my kid (rising Senior so we are trying to help with the list of schools). Some of the schools seem better than others.

DP. The CTCL college fairs are a nice way to compare and contrast the various schools. As others have suggested, the CTCL events present a healthy, low-stress outlook.

And all the schools have presentations from their fairs online, if you want to start differentiating between them.

https://ctcl.org/presentations/

We are fans of Juniata.

These presentations are helpful, thank you. The outlook on fit is refreshing.

"Fit" is a polite way of saying "the kid will get into the school."

I really wish you'd find a different hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

Your kid didn't get into better schools. And you know it. That's why your kid "chose" it.

I just don't get this. Why does it matter to you?

Sometimes finances choose the college. Both my VA cousins got into Duke yet their parents indicated that they could only attend if Duke offered them the difference between Duke and UVA. That didn't happen, so go Cavs for them.

I have one DC with the stats for a couple of Ivies and top NESCACs. After this DC saw what happened to senior friends this cycle, my guess is that a number of CTCL-type schools will be on DC's list. I have another DC where some CTCLs may still be reaches when that DC gets to app time. I don't blow off the latter kid just because the former kid might get into "better schools." Fit is fit.

It matters because it’s a dishonest response. Had the poster’s kid got into one of the NESCAC schools visited, the kid would’ve ended up there and the poster wouldn’t be posting how glad they were that the kid went to a CTCL school. Instead they’d be on a thread about that NESCAC school praising it.

The Duke/UVA analogy is ridiculous. They are essentially peer institutions. Yes, Duke is higher ranked by US News and somewhat more selective, but Duke/UVA is not Bowdoin/Juniata for example. Not even close. It makes heaps of sense for in state VA students to turn down schools in Duke’s class for UVA.

Or perhaps they'd be on the CTCL thread saying how much they liked that college and were glad it was an option as a safety.

It seems like the haters' issue is that people who can't afford or whose kids can't get into a highly ranked LAC have the audacity to assert that their kids are getting a good educational experience at a lower ranked school. They think if your kid can't go to one of 10ish LACs then they don't deserve to have a LAC experience and should slink off in shame to a regional large state school and, really, probably not even bother with college because they are doomed to failure and their parents should cut them off for being so mediocre.

The issue isn't the CTCL label but that a group of lower-ranked LACs have to gall to share the positive things about their schools in a way that gets more attention than working individually. Juniata should just not let people know about their very high med school admissions rate. Wooster shouldn't tell people they have a unique approach to undergrad research. Because they can never be as awesome as Amherst or Williams they should just shut up and go out of business.

Are there crappy LACs out there who probably should go out of business, absolutely. There are a LOT of LACs to sort through so the CTCL list and the info in the book which emphasizes what are the factors you should be looking at for a good school are helpful in figuring out which ones might be worth your time and money. I realize that may not seem worthwhile to someone whose only qualification for picking where to apply is the US News list.

I really hope I don't know these people IRL and I feel very sorry for your children that all you care about is the ranking of the school one goes to.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

Your kid didn't get into better schools. And you know it. That's why your kid "chose" it.

I just don't get this. Why does it matter to you?

Sometimes finances choose the college. Both my VA cousins got into Duke yet their parents indicated that they could only attend if Duke offered them the difference between Duke and UVA. That didn't happen, so go Cavs for them.

I have one DC with the stats for a couple of Ivies and top NESCACs. After this DC saw what happened to senior friends this cycle, my guess is that a number of CTCL-type schools will be on DC's list. I have another DC where some CTCLs may still be reaches when that DC gets to app time. I don't blow off the latter kid just because the former kid might get into "better schools." Fit is fit.

It matters because it’s a dishonest response. Had the poster’s kid got into one of the NESCAC schools visited, the kid would’ve ended up there and the poster wouldn’t be posting how glad they were that the kid went to a CTCL school. Instead they’d be on a thread about that NESCAC school praising it.

The Duke/UVA analogy is ridiculous. They are essentially peer institutions. Yes, Duke is higher ranked by US News and somewhat more selective, but Duke/UVA is not Bowdoin/Juniata for example. Not even close. It makes heaps of sense for in state VA students to turn down schools in Duke’s class for UVA.

Or perhaps they'd be on the CTCL thread saying how much they liked that college and were glad it was an option as a safety.

It seems like the haters' issue is that people who can't afford or whose kids can't get into a highly ranked LAC have the audacity to assert that their kids are getting a good educational experience at a lower ranked school. They think if your kid can't go to one of 10ish LACs then they don't deserve to have a LAC experience and should slink off in shame to a regional large state school and, really, probably not even bother with college because they are doomed to failure and their parents should cut them off for being so mediocre.

The issue isn't the CTCL label but that a group of lower-ranked LACs have to gall to share the positive things about their schools in a way that gets more attention than working individually. Juniata should just not let people know about their very high med school admissions rate. Wooster shouldn't tell people they have a unique approach to undergrad research. Because they can never be as awesome as Amherst or Williams they should just shut up and go out of business.

Are there crappy LACs out there who probably should go out of business, absolutely. There are a LOT of LACs to sort through so the CTCL list and the info in the book which emphasizes what are the factors you should be looking at for a good school are helpful in figuring out which ones might be worth your time and money. I realize that may not seem worthwhile to someone whose only qualification for picking where to apply is the US News list.

I really hope I don't know these people IRL and I feel very sorry for your children that all you care about is the ranking of the school one goes to.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited a bunch of LACs. Some were NESCACs. Some were CTCL. some were other things. Among the colleges we saw, the CTCLs generally seemed warmer/more friendly and generally less selective/less anxious. The eye opener for me was that the CTCLs still seemed intellectual and focused on the world, even though the students weren't especially competitive. That's why I'm a fan.

"CTCL" does convey something informative. While I would not have chosen a CTCL for myself, I am really glad one of my kids did. My kid has learned a ton and received a lot of attention in a collaborative, low stress environment.

Your kid didn't get into better schools. And you know it. That's why your kid "chose" it.

I just don't get this. Why does it matter to you?

Sometimes finances choose the college. Both my VA cousins got into Duke yet their parents indicated that they could only attend if Duke offered them the difference between Duke and UVA. That didn't happen, so go Cavs for them.

I have one DC with the stats for a couple of Ivies and top NESCACs. After this DC saw what happened to senior friends this cycle, my guess is that a number of CTCL-type schools will be on DC's list. I have another DC where some CTCLs may still be reaches when that DC gets to app time. I don't blow off the latter kid just because the former kid might get into "better schools." Fit is fit.

It matters because it’s a dishonest response. Had the poster’s kid got into one of the NESCAC schools visited, the kid would’ve ended up there and the poster wouldn’t be posting how glad they were that the kid went to a CTCL school. Instead they’d be on a thread about that NESCAC school praising it.

The Duke/UVA analogy is ridiculous. They are essentially peer institutions. Yes, Duke is higher ranked by US News and somewhat more selective, but Duke/UVA is not Bowdoin/Juniata for example. Not even close. It makes heaps of sense for in state VA students to turn down schools in Duke’s class for UVA.

Or perhaps they'd be on the CTCL thread saying how much they liked that college and were glad it was an option as a safety.

It seems like the haters' issue is that people who can't afford or whose kids can't get into a highly ranked LAC have the audacity to assert that their kids are getting a good educational experience at a lower ranked school. They think if your kid can't go to one of 10ish LACs then they don't deserve to have a LAC experience and should slink off in shame to a regional large state school and, really, probably not even bother with college because they are doomed to failure and their parents should cut them off for being so mediocre.

The issue isn't the CTCL label but that a group of lower-ranked LACs have to gall to share the positive things about their schools in a way that gets more attention than working individually. Juniata should just not let people know about their very high med school admissions rate. Wooster shouldn't tell people they have a unique approach to undergrad research. Because they can never be as awesome as Amherst or Williams they should just shut up and go out of business.

Are there crappy LACs out there who probably should go out of business, absolutely. There are a LOT of LACs to sort through so the CTCL list and the info in the book which emphasizes what are the factors you should be looking at for a good school are helpful in figuring out which ones might be worth your time and money. I realize that may not seem worthwhile to someone whose only qualification for picking where to apply is the US News list.

I really hope I don't know these people IRL and I feel very sorry for your children that all you care about is the ranking of the school one goes to.

I'm a DP from the person you're responding to, but the majority of people have no issue with the schools themselves. It's the weird branding/grouping/labeling of "CTCL" that comes off as very try-hard and fake. CTCL is a type of cancer, not an official grouping of colleges.