Stop hating on gifted kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Normally, 130 IQ is +2SD/97.5th percentile and 145 IQ is +3SD/99.9th percentile. If we assume that FCPS has twice as many gifted kids as expected by national norms, then approximately 5% of FCPS kids have a 130+ IQ and 0.2% (1 in 500) have a 145+ IQ.

AAP takes 20%, so 1/4 of the kids in AAP would then have a 130+ IQ, and 1/100 would have a 145+ IQ.

Generally speaking, let's say the AAP center has 4 classes, each with 25 kids. About 6 kids per classroom are actually gifted, and only 1 kid in the entire grade is highly gifted. The remaining 19 kids per class in AAP are bright but not gifted.

If most of the kids have an IQ from 115-129, and the rest have an IQ in the 130-144 range, the 145+ kid is still going to seem like a weird outlier to the other kids.

So, can we agree that being in AAP does not mean your child has been identified as "gifted" but just an accelerated or advanced learner. Thus, hating on AAP is not hating on gifted kids.

Someone with a 130+ IQ is gifted, whether you like it or not. They’re in the top 2% worldwide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Normally, 130 IQ is +2SD/97.5th percentile and 145 IQ is +3SD/99.9th percentile. If we assume that FCPS has twice as many gifted kids as expected by national norms, then approximately 5% of FCPS kids have a 130+ IQ and 0.2% (1 in 500) have a 145+ IQ.

AAP takes 20%, so 1/4 of the kids in AAP would then have a 130+ IQ, and 1/100 would have a 145+ IQ.

Generally speaking, let's say the AAP center has 4 classes, each with 25 kids. About 6 kids per classroom are actually gifted, and only 1 kid in the entire grade is highly gifted. The remaining 19 kids per class in AAP are bright but not gifted.

If most of the kids have an IQ from 115-129, and the rest have an IQ in the 130-144 range, the 145+ kid is still going to seem like a weird outlier to the other kids.

So, can we agree that being in AAP does not mean your child has been identified as "gifted" but just an accelerated or advanced learner. Thus, hating on AAP is not hating on gifted kids.

Someone with a 130+ IQ is gifted, whether you like it or not. They’re in the top 2% worldwide.

Duh . . . the point was AAP is not the top 2%. If AAP was limited to the top 2%, people wouldn't be hating on it. It's the ability to cook the admissions process and lobby for you kid to be put in AAP and then declare your kid is "gifted" that iis causing the push back. You clearly don't have anywhere near a 130 IQ if you couldn't figure that out. So again, hating on AAP is not hating on gifted kids. It's hating on posers like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Normally, 130 IQ is +2SD/97.5th percentile and 145 IQ is +3SD/99.9th percentile. If we assume that FCPS has twice as many gifted kids as expected by national norms, then approximately 5% of FCPS kids have a 130+ IQ and 0.2% (1 in 500) have a 145+ IQ.

AAP takes 20%, so 1/4 of the kids in AAP would then have a 130+ IQ, and 1/100 would have a 145+ IQ.

Generally speaking, let's say the AAP center has 4 classes, each with 25 kids. About 6 kids per classroom are actually gifted, and only 1 kid in the entire grade is highly gifted. The remaining 19 kids per class in AAP are bright but not gifted.

If most of the kids have an IQ from 115-129, and the rest have an IQ in the 130-144 range, the 145+ kid is still going to seem like a weird outlier to the other kids.

So, can we agree that being in AAP does not mean your child has been identified as "gifted" but just an accelerated or advanced learner. Thus, hating on AAP is not hating on gifted kids.

Someone with a 130+ IQ is gifted, whether you like it or not. They’re in the top 2% worldwide.

Duh . . . the point was AAP is not the top 2%. If AAP was limited to the top 2%, people wouldn't be hating on it. It's the ability to cook the admissions process and lobby for you kid to be put in AAP and then declare your kid is "gifted" that iis causing the push back. You clearly don't have anywhere near a 130 IQ if you couldn't figure that out. So again, hating on AAP is not hating on gifted kids. It's hating on posers like you.

And you, clearly you do not have any kid in AAP. That was why you sound so bitter. Why are you hating those posters? People like you also try hard to get your kids into AAP, but the kids cannot make it. That is WHY you are so jealous!

[Anonymous]

AAP is an advanced academic program and more than 25% of the class kids can do well.

The application requirements for acceptance by FCPS are not clear to teachers and parents. That is the problem.

No one has a problem with kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your kid was really one of the 2% "gifted" children, you wouldn't be posting this. I suspect that you have spent a lot of time and money on test prep and want a return on your investment. I'm sure your kid is smart and you should spend more time figuring out how to maximize their opportunities within the school system...or go private.

I am op. As it happens, my kids are profoundly gifted, in AAP, and without any prep whatsoever (unless you call Legos and other toys prep.)

I had such high hopes that the AAP program would serve my children adequately, and waited so eagerly for it, and it doesn’t. We’re still in public school, because so far we think that there is a real life benefit there, such as being around all kinds of kids, as we believe that everyone has something valuable to offer. Having said that, AAP is a joke, and it’s only gonna get worse. No one is thinking of the real gifted kids, and they’re pretending to care by abolishing AAP. What needs to be done is more differentiation, so the really smart kids can be served, which is also their constitutional right. I don’t care if it’s not economical to do so. We serve the mentally handicapped because it’s the humane thing to do, but let the gifted fall through the cracks because it’s not economically feasible.

I’m so surprised to read all the hate for AAP kids in all those other threads. You’re not well equipped and qualified to know who is gifted and who isn’t. This area is full of gifted parents, who only naturally would have more gifted kids than the general population. You can’t compare the gifted rate of rural America to the ultra urban environment we live in.

The point is to serve all the kids, not to compromise. The gifted kids do move the wheel forward in their respective areas: science, leadership, etc. The rest are followers. There is nothing wrong with being a follower, but so many teach their kids that they are snowflakes that’ll never fall.

No. You are wrong about this.

Why? If you’re not a leader, you’re a follower. What’s wrong with followers?

Haha! I love this OP. You guys, her kids are the leaders and your dumb kids are the followers. She had high hopes for public school AAP and now it’s diluted because a bunch of dummies are hindering the gifted wheel from being moved forward. Get your kids out of here so hers can move the wheel! OP is also embarrassed to be too poor for private school so she’ll pretend she had a choice in the matter for the sake of something something diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your kid was really one of the 2% "gifted" children, you wouldn't be posting this. I suspect that you have spent a lot of time and money on test prep and want a return on your investment. I'm sure your kid is smart and you should spend more time figuring out how to maximize their opportunities within the school system...or go private.

I am op. As it happens, my kids are profoundly gifted, in AAP, and without any prep whatsoever (unless you call Legos and other toys prep.)

I had such high hopes that the AAP program would serve my children adequately, and waited so eagerly for it, and it doesn’t. We’re still in public school, because so far we think that there is a real life benefit there, such as being around all kinds of kids, as we believe that everyone has something valuable to offer. Having said that, AAP is a joke, and it’s only gonna get worse. No one is thinking of the real gifted kids, and they’re pretending to care by abolishing AAP. What needs to be done is more differentiation, so the really smart kids can be served, which is also their constitutional right. I don’t care if it’s not economical to do so. We serve the mentally handicapped because it’s the humane thing to do, but let the gifted fall through the cracks because it’s not economically feasible.

I’m so surprised to read all the hate for AAP kids in all those other threads. You’re not well equipped and qualified to know who is gifted and who isn’t. This area is full of gifted parents, who only naturally would have more gifted kids than the general population. You can’t compare the gifted rate of rural America to the ultra urban environment we live in.

The point is to serve all the kids, not to compromise. The gifted kids do move the wheel forward in their respective areas: science, leadership, etc. The rest are followers. There is nothing wrong with being a follower, but so many teach their kids that they are snowflakes that’ll never fall.

No. You are wrong about this.

Why? If you’re not a leader, you’re a follower. What’s wrong with followers?

Haha! I love this OP. You guys, her kids are the leaders and your dumb kids are the followers. She had high hopes for public school AAP and now it’s diluted because a bunch of dummies are hindering the gifted wheel from being moved forward. Get your kids out of here so hers can move the wheel! OP is also embarrassed to be too poor for private school so she’ll pretend she had a choice in the matter for the sake of something something diversity.

Well, you are certainly lousy. Being a follower or a leader is not limited to public office. Apple, FB, Google are industry leaders, and the minds that create their products are innovators whom you follow with your purchases.

People don’t need to be rich to go to private. They can get a scholarship. Many people, who are loaded, deliberately choose public schools, because unlike you, they don’t pretend to like diversity, they embrace it. I’m sure you’re one who fights for diversity but segregate your kids in a ‘same kind’ private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes wokes! Fight for social justice some you xenophobes.

You are so eager to bully and stereotype because that’s all you know how to do. Bigots like you have brought America to its knees and have created a racist America where people like George Floyd are senselessly killed on the streets, after they’ve been fought and kept down by social justice warriors such as yourselves.

You are disgusting!

It’s nit the fault of the Russians and the Chinese and the Indians for doing better than you. It’s your own doing! In the desire to keep people like George Floyd and Dante Wright at bay, you have destroyed the school system, and have brought in others to do the jobs that you don’t know how to do. You have no interest in fostering the gifted, because the gifted may come from places you don’t like. You’re all a bunch of Amy Coopers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking from experience: my kids are in AAP. Neither have taken after school tutoring. Neither were test prepped. Both learn really quickly. Both have always been ahead of everyone their age. It is a given that they will do well.

Both of us (parents) have postgraduate degrees. Ivy league education. Good jobs.

Here's my observation: parents I know have had their kids in math programs (Kumon, Russian School, Singapore Math, etc.) and they talk about the investment: their expectation is that their kids will be in the APP program.

Other parents I know don't think highly of the AAP program. Their kids aren't in the program.

Here I am. In a forum I heard about that is constantly bashing the APP program, the kids in the program, the parents, and some of the schools.

What I find comical is the anger and disdain from some of these posters. So much energy and colorful language. I guess those parents would have benefited from a good education...

your horse is really high.

Why is her horse high? Because she’s speaking some truth?

Being on a high horse is nice and dandy. Don’t get to close to her. She may completely crush you if she falls, and she’ll be saved, because you keep chasing on her side.

Where did you learn your English, Dr. Li's TOEFL prep class?

You love diversity as long as the diverse love you long time, do your dry cleaning or your housekeeping.

[Anonymous]

I have a low-gifted (133 FSIQ) kid who is best friends with a proudly gifted kid (146 FSIQ, and 155+ on one WISC subscore). The qualitative and quantitive differences are obvious. That said, yes he's "weird" which is probably why these two are friends.

I don't think the 130s are gifted. I think 140+ is really gifted but that's not AAP. AAP is advanced. Gifted kids need a different program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your kid was really one of the 2% "gifted" children, you wouldn't be posting this. I suspect that you have spent a lot of time and money on test prep and want a return on your investment. I'm sure your kid is smart and you should spend more time figuring out how to maximize their opportunities within the school system...or go private.

I am op. As it happens, my kids are profoundly gifted, in AAP, and without any prep whatsoever (unless you call Legos and other toys prep.)

I had such high hopes that the AAP program would serve my children adequately, and waited so eagerly for it, and it doesn’t. We’re still in public school, because so far we think that there is a real life benefit there, such as being around all kinds of kids, as we believe that everyone has something valuable to offer. Having said that, AAP is a joke, and it’s only gonna get worse. No one is thinking of the real gifted kids, and they’re pretending to care by abolishing AAP. What needs to be done is more differentiation, so the really smart kids can be served, which is also their constitutional right. I don’t care if it’s not economical to do so. We serve the mentally handicapped because it’s the humane thing to do, but let the gifted fall through the cracks because it’s not economically feasible.

I’m so surprised to read all the hate for AAP kids in all those other threads. You’re not well equipped and qualified to know who is gifted and who isn’t. This area is full of gifted parents, who only naturally would have more gifted kids than the general population. You can’t compare the gifted rate of rural America to the ultra urban environment we live in.

The point is to serve all the kids, not to compromise. The gifted kids do move the wheel forward in their respective areas: science, leadership, etc. The rest are followers. There is nothing wrong with being a follower, but so many teach their kids that they are snowflakes that’ll never fall.

No. You are wrong about this.

Why? If you’re not a leader, you’re a follower. What’s wrong with followers?

Haha! I love this OP. You guys, her kids are the leaders and your dumb kids are the followers. She had high hopes for public school AAP and now it’s diluted because a bunch of dummies are hindering the gifted wheel from being moved forward. Get your kids out of here so hers can move the wheel! OP is also embarrassed to be too poor for private school so she’ll pretend she had a choice in the matter for the sake of something something diversity.

Well, you are certainly lousy. Being a follower or a leader is not limited to public office. Apple, FB, Google are industry leaders, and the minds that create their products are innovators whom you follow with your purchases.

People don’t need to be rich to go to private. They can get a scholarship. Many people, who are loaded, deliberately choose public schools, because unlike you, they don’t pretend to like diversity, they embrace it. I’m sure you’re one who fights for diversity but segregate your kids in a ‘same kind’ private.

Except the diversity is limited to non-learning environments no? OP specifically doesn’t want dummies diluting her gifted kids’ education, so I suppose she would accept them waving across the cafeteria and playing kickball with her kids so long as they don’t poison math class with their slowness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a low-gifted (133 FSIQ) kid who is best friends with a proudly gifted kid (146 FSIQ, and 155+ on one WISC subscore). The qualitative and quantitive differences are obvious. That said, yes he's "weird" which is probably why these two are friends.

I don't think the 130s are gifted. I think 140+ is really gifted but that's not AAP. AAP is advanced. Gifted kids need a different program.

It's because you're too close so you can't see it.

I'd say that someday you may realize that but if you already have kids in upper elementary, you should be old enough to know this by now. Although there are lots of posters on this forum and this thread that don't, so you seem to be in good company.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a low-gifted (133 FSIQ) kid who is best friends with a proudly gifted kid (146 FSIQ, and 155+ on one WISC subscore). The qualitative and quantitive differences are obvious. That said, yes he's "weird" which is probably why these two are friends.

I don't think the 130s are gifted. I think 140+ is really gifted but that's not AAP. AAP is advanced. Gifted kids need a different program.

It's because you're too close so you can't see it.

I'd say that someday you may realize that but if you already have kids in upper elementary, you should be old enough to know this by now. Although there are lots of posters on this forum and this thread that don't, so you seem to be in good company.

I have a gifted kid in that range and I know what PP is saying. When I think of “gifted”, I think of prodigies, which are truly exceptional in their intelligence. The difference between a 130 and 155+ IQ is really noticeable to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a low-gifted (133 FSIQ) kid who is best friends with a proudly gifted kid (146 FSIQ, and 155+ on one WISC subscore). The qualitative and quantitive differences are obvious. That said, yes he's "weird" which is probably why these two are friends.

I don't think the 130s are gifted. I think 140+ is really gifted but that's not AAP. AAP is advanced. Gifted kids need a different program.

It's because you're too close so you can't see it.

I'd say that someday you may realize that but if you already have kids in upper elementary, you should be old enough to know this by now. Although there are lots of posters on this forum and this thread that don't, so you seem to be in good company.

I have a gifted kid in that range and I know what PP is saying. When I think of “gifted”, I think of prodigies, which are truly exceptional in their intelligence. The difference between a 130 and 155+ IQ is really noticeable to me.

As I said, good company.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your kid was really one of the 2% "gifted" children, you wouldn't be posting this. I suspect that you have spent a lot of time and money on test prep and want a return on your investment. I'm sure your kid is smart and you should spend more time figuring out how to maximize their opportunities within the school system...or go private.

I am op. As it happens, my kids are profoundly gifted, in AAP, and without any prep whatsoever (unless you call Legos and other toys prep.)

I had such high hopes that the AAP program would serve my children adequately, and waited so eagerly for it, and it doesn’t. We’re still in public school, because so far we think that there is a real life benefit there, such as being around all kinds of kids, as we believe that everyone has something valuable to offer. Having said that, AAP is a joke, and it’s only gonna get worse. No one is thinking of the real gifted kids, and they’re pretending to care by abolishing AAP. What needs to be done is more differentiation, so the really smart kids can be served, which is also their constitutional right. I don’t care if it’s not economical to do so. We serve the mentally handicapped because it’s the humane thing to do, but let the gifted fall through the cracks because it’s not economically feasible.

I’m so surprised to read all the hate for AAP kids in all those other threads. You’re not well equipped and qualified to know who is gifted and who isn’t. This area is full of gifted parents, who only naturally would have more gifted kids than the general population. You can’t compare the gifted rate of rural America to the ultra urban environment we live in.

The point is to serve all the kids, not to compromise. The gifted kids do move the wheel forward in their respective areas: science, leadership, etc. The rest are followers. There is nothing wrong with being a follower, but so many teach their kids that they are snowflakes that’ll never fall.

No. You are wrong about this.

Why? If you’re not a leader, you’re a follower. What’s wrong with followers?

Haha! I love this OP. You guys, her kids are the leaders and your dumb kids are the followers. She had high hopes for public school AAP and now it’s diluted because a bunch of dummies are hindering the gifted wheel from being moved forward. Get your kids out of here so hers can move the wheel! OP is also embarrassed to be too poor for private school so she’ll pretend she had a choice in the matter for the sake of something something diversity.

Well, you are certainly lousy. Being a follower or a leader is not limited to public office. Apple, FB, Google are industry leaders, and the minds that create their products are innovators whom you follow with your purchases.

People don’t need to be rich to go to private. They can get a scholarship. Many people, who are loaded, deliberately choose public schools, because unlike you, they don’t pretend to like diversity, they embrace it. I’m sure you’re one who fights for diversity but segregate your kids in a ‘same kind’ private.

Except the diversity is limited to non-learning environments no? OP specifically doesn’t want dummies diluting her gifted kids’ education, so I suppose she would accept them waving across the cafeteria and playing kickball with her kids so long as they don’t poison math class with their slowness.

It’s difficult to reply to a stupid argument, because it already doesn’t make sense, but I’ll put your stupidity aside and attempt an explanation.

Children go to school for two reasons:

1. To learn
2. To socialize

We learn and socialize with people from whom we benefit from. Usually the friendship builds up stronger when people have things such as temperament and ability in common. Those facilitate working together. If my children can learn good things from people, be those social or academic, and not learn negative things, such as disrespect or drugs, etc., I am happy for those friendships. If someone loves science and she talks about it all day, and someone else likes dancing and that’s all she does, chances are that they will not spend too much time together.

So, while I like for my children to have a diverse group of friends, they will naturally gravitate to people with similar interests, temperament and abilities, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is very difficult for gifted children (people), especially highly gifted ones to find peers, because while they may (not easily) find people with similar IQs, that doesn’t mean that personalities or interests will match.

Having more inclusive gifted programs has major benefits for lower giftedness (130-145 IQ) than for IQs higher than 145. If you know the shape of the Normal distribution you see that the distance is non linear.

[Anonymous]

PP do you even hear yourself and how condescending you sound? The idea that only “gifted” kids could possibly be interested in science or that non gifted kids have negative traits and are doing drugs. The thread just keeps getting more out there.