APS - School Shifts in the Fall?

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. At least four prominent members of SR follow that crazy twitter account. I recognize all of their names from belonging to that Facebook group. I don't know if it is the lawyer guy who created it, but I just lost a lot of respect for all of them. Too bad. I thought they cared about safe schools. They just care more about drama and getting one up on APE, it seems.

Pls screen shot the followers and let’s see if they are Mary supporters.

So now you're not-so-appalled by doxxing?

What cognitive dissonance. No one had to FOIA them. They showed their own a$$es by following a public Twitter handle.

public data is public data

whether you are a Twitter stalker or request FOIA

Twitter stalker? No one would have ever known about a dead Twitter account until SR husband posted the link, thinking it was a great idea to dox someone. The followers were right there for everyone to see. Please.

Public data is public data.

If you're taking screenshots and sharing what is no longer public...that's not really above FOIAing public data.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To get back to Kadera as a candidate, I also worry about whether she will be able to look at APS as a whole.

In the debate over whether to make McKinley a choice school, she was full speed ahead on the argument that the west side of Arlington needed all these neighborhood seats. Reed, McKinley, Discovery, Tuckahoe, Nottingham...all needed as neighborhood schools. Supported and circulated honestly ridiculous boundary map proposals to support this.

Flash forward (after she is no longer the PTA president) and it seems to be widely acknowledged the data doesn't support this position. And it's not just some post-Covid reality shift, I don't believe the data ever supported it. What comes to pass is APS draws a kind of dumb and temporary boundary for Reed to preserve the possibility they can take Tuckahoe or Nottingham offline as a neighborhood school in 2 years.

Was she just completely blinded by the McKinley hysterical/self-interest crowd? It makes me worry she'd be a bad School Board member.

Please someone counter any of this if you are able to. Genuinely. I'd like to support her.

As the McKinley PTA president at the time, she had to try to preserve her school. After this year, it won't exist anymore, in name or facility.


I think the new boundaries will be voted on before the new candidate takes office. And yes, Tuckahoe and Nottingham (probably Tuckahoe though) isn't long for the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. At least four prominent members of SR follow that crazy twitter account. I recognize all of their names from belonging to that Facebook group. I don't know if it is the lawyer guy who created it, but I just lost a lot of respect for all of them. Too bad. I thought they cared about safe schools. They just care more about drama and getting one up on APE, it seems.

Pls screen shot the followers and let’s see if they are Mary supporters.

So now you're not-so-appalled by doxxing?

I think perhaps that word does not mean what you think it means. Who follows a Twitter account is public.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

There was no effort to dox teachers. If there are posts on APE that seem like they unfairly target teachers, they are taken down because that is completely unacceptable. APE has over a 1000 members between the Facebook and listserv. There are rogue actors on all sides. I don't blame Mary for ApeShit even though they are clearly in her camp. APE gets accused of cherry picking data all the time, which is absurd but whatever - but cherry picking a few inappropriate comments on APE (which in all likelihood get deleted) as making that out to be what APE is all about is also ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. At least four prominent members of SR follow that crazy twitter account. I recognize all of their names from belonging to that Facebook group. I don't know if it is the lawyer guy who created it, but I just lost a lot of respect for all of them. Too bad. I thought they cared about safe schools. They just care more about drama and getting one up on APE, it seems.

Pls screen shot the followers and let’s see if they are Mary supporters.

So now you're not-so-appalled by doxxing?

What cognitive dissonance. No one had to FOIA them. They showed their own a$$es by following a public Twitter handle.

public data is public data

whether you are a Twitter stalker or request FOIA

Twitter stalker? No one would have ever known about a dead Twitter account until SR husband posted the link, thinking it was a great idea to dox someone. The followers were right there for everyone to see. Please.

Public data is public data.

If you're taking screenshots and sharing what is no longer public...that's not really above FOIAing public data.

The Twitter site would still be up, but someone in SR finally realized that it crossed the line. I don't care enough to take screenshots, but I saw what I saw.

For the record, doxxing teachers is wrong too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

What are you talking about? I’m in the Facebook group and have never seen a doxxing attempt of anyone let alone a teacher. That would definitely break the group rules. I’ve found the group to be much nicer even when there is hardcore debate about stuff than normal discourse on AEM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. At least four prominent members of SR follow that crazy twitter account. I recognize all of their names from belonging to that Facebook group. I don't know if it is the lawyer guy who created it, but I just lost a lot of respect for all of them. Too bad. I thought they cared about safe schools. They just care more about drama and getting one up on APE, it seems.

Pls screen shot the followers and let’s see if they are Mary supporters.

So now you're not-so-appalled by doxxing?

I think perhaps that word does not mean what you think it means. Who follows a Twitter account is public.

Who follows that account? It's no longer public.

FOIA info is public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

What are you talking about? I’m in the Facebook group and have never seen a doxxing attempt of anyone let alone a teacher. That would definitely break the group rules. I’ve found the group to be much nicer even when there is hardcore debate about stuff than normal discourse on AEM.

You must have missed them. The founder admitted on AEM that people were attempting to target teachers (take screenshots & send to SB) but he deleted those posts because he agreed that they were wrong.

You agree that this was wrong, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To get back to Kadera as a candidate, I also worry about whether she will be able to look at APS as a whole.

In the debate over whether to make McKinley a choice school, she was full speed ahead on the argument that the west side of Arlington needed all these neighborhood seats. Reed, McKinley, Discovery, Tuckahoe, Nottingham...all needed as neighborhood schools. Supported and circulated honestly ridiculous boundary map proposals to support this.

Flash forward (after she is no longer the PTA president) and it seems to be widely acknowledged the data doesn't support this position. And it's not just some post-Covid reality shift, I don't believe the data ever supported it. What comes to pass is APS draws a kind of dumb and temporary boundary for Reed to preserve the possibility they can take Tuckahoe or Nottingham offline as a neighborhood school in 2 years.

Was she just completely blinded by the McKinley hysterical/self-interest crowd? It makes me worry she'd be a bad School Board member.

Please someone counter any of this if you are able to. Genuinely. I'd like to support her.

As the McKinley PTA president at the time, she had to try to preserve her school. After this year, it won't exist anymore, in name or facility.


I think the new boundaries will be voted on before the new candidate takes office. And yes, Tuckahoe and Nottingham (probably Tuckahoe though) isn't long for the world.

If McKinley truly wanted to preserve the school as is they would have offered up the new Reed building to become option, but they didn't do that. Also it may not exist anymore in name or facility, but the entire administration and teachers and most of the student body are moving into the new Cardinal elementary so it very much continues to exist in all the ways that matter. Let's not pretend like Mary hasn't been playing in this mud pit for a while now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To get back to Kadera as a candidate, I also worry about whether she will be able to look at APS as a whole.

In the debate over whether to make McKinley a choice school, she was full speed ahead on the argument that the west side of Arlington needed all these neighborhood seats. Reed, McKinley, Discovery, Tuckahoe, Nottingham...all needed as neighborhood schools. Supported and circulated honestly ridiculous boundary map proposals to support this.

Flash forward (after she is no longer the PTA president) and it seems to be widely acknowledged the data doesn't support this position. And it's not just some post-Covid reality shift, I don't believe the data ever supported it. What comes to pass is APS draws a kind of dumb and temporary boundary for Reed to preserve the possibility they can take Tuckahoe or Nottingham offline as a neighborhood school in 2 years.

Was she just completely blinded by the McKinley hysterical/self-interest crowd? It makes me worry she'd be a bad School Board member.

Please someone counter any of this if you are able to. Genuinely. I'd like to support her.

As the McKinley PTA president at the time, she had to try to preserve her school. After this year, it won't exist anymore, in name or facility.


I think the new boundaries will be voted on before the new candidate takes office. And yes, Tuckahoe and Nottingham (probably Tuckahoe though) isn't long for the world.

If McKinley truly wanted to preserve the school as is they would have offered up the new Reed building to become option, but they didn't do that. Also it may not exist anymore in name or facility, but the entire administration and teachers and most of the student body are moving into the new Cardinal elementary so it very much continues to exist in all the ways that matter. Let's not pretend like Mary hasn't been playing in this mud pit for a while now.

I can answer this one. McKinley's PTA had no power to make Reed an option school (nor did Key or ATS). This was totally up to the SB at the time, and when presented with that option by those PTAs to possibly move an option program there, and the SB said no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

What are you talking about? I’m in the Facebook group and have never seen a doxxing attempt of anyone let alone a teacher. That would definitely break the group rules. I’ve found the group to be much nicer even when there is hardcore debate about stuff than normal discourse on AEM.

You must have missed them. The founder admitted on AEM that people were attempting to target teachers (take screenshots & send to SB) but he deleted those posts because he agreed that they were wrong.

You agree that this was wrong, right?

Does everyone realize what a nonsensical discussion this is? That twitter account was full of screenshots, not just of the FOIA which revealed who asked for Mary's APS emails, but screenshots mostly of APE's FB page. It promoted Mary heavily, using APE's/Miranda's words against them, and tagged current SB members and Arlington Dems. It's clear that Smart Restart was behind it (just from who exposed the handle, and those who followed the page), but I really want to know if Mary Kadera's campaign coordinated with them. Honestly, if Kadera's campaign coordinated with them, I'll sit this election out. No thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

What are you talking about? I’m in the Facebook group and have never seen a doxxing attempt of anyone let alone a teacher. That would definitely break the group rules. I’ve found the group to be much nicer even when there is hardcore debate about stuff than normal discourse on AEM.

You must have missed them. The founder admitted on AEM that people were attempting to target teachers (take screenshots & send to SB) but he deleted those posts because he agreed that they were wrong.

You agree that this was wrong, right?

Does everyone realize what a nonsensical discussion this is? That twitter account was full of screenshots, not just of the FOIA which revealed who asked for Mary's APS emails, but screenshots mostly of APE's FB page. It promoted Mary heavily, using APE's/Miranda's words against them, and tagged current SB members and Arlington Dems. It's clear that Smart Restart was behind it (just from who exposed the handle, and those who followed the page), but I really want to know if Mary Kadera's campaign coordinated with them. Honestly, if Kadera's campaign coordinated with them, I'll sit this election out. No thank you.

So you are outraged that someone who supports Smart Restart (and Kadera) would do that. But not if someone from APE (Turner) doxxes teachers?

Just trying to follow your outrage here...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides are batsh**. Let’s not pretend any of the APEs care about the kids at Carlin Springs whose families elected by a very large margin to remain virtual. As someone tangentially connected to CCPTA, that’s what they were busy doing. Coordinating support, food, clothing, school supplies, books, for the kids at that and other Title 1 schools and listening to those families rather than telling them that their kids need to go back to further our own agendas. That’s structural racism and nice white parenting, if I’ve ever seen it.

I’m sorry, wanting to open schools is structural racism? Where in the world did you come up with that? Kids get meals at school, they could get books there too and at the closed public libraries, they get access to an education too, a lot receive medical and dental care through schools too. Ever heard of a DD waiver? Did the half of kids (including minorities) who wanted to be in school not matter? Also aps students are more diverse than the teachers we were all “protecting” so whose side is structurally racist? None of that would have been necessary to do if schools were open.

I only ever see white parents arguing to keep schools closed till it’s “safe” meaning their level of their risk tolerance has to be met. Then I see them hide behind, “look the minorities don’t want schools to open”. White savior much? I didn’t see any of these people on AEM or in county board meetings argue to keep daycares closed (teachers there are usually minority) or that we should make sure break rooms in grocery stores be ventilated for example (also mostly minority) but public school (80% white staff) is unsafe? Hmmmm

It’s structural racism when the community you’re supposedly advocating for is opposed to being forced back into the classroom. When the families who have been hit hardest by the pandemic, both economically and physically, want to keep their children home you keep their names out of your mouth. And yes, it was nice white parents arguing on both sides. Just one side happened to be right about what “that community” wants and needs, and the other is not. And since the system listened to the families who usually have the least sway, the appropriate thing for PTAs to do was try to help the most vulnerable within their communities in getting their needs met while the schools and libraries were closed rather than ranting on a FB group to open now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

Aren’t some of the APE members trying to doxx APS staff?

Absolutely false. That’s just one of many nasty rumors started by the AEM trolls.

DP. Absolutely true.

The APE FB group founder even admitted that people were posting this on APE. He reportedly deleted those posts, but they were certainly trying to doxx APS staff.

So we all agree that no one should be doxxing teachers, right?

And we all think the APE people who were trying to this were wrong, right?

What are you talking about? I’m in the Facebook group and have never seen a doxxing attempt of anyone let alone a teacher. That would definitely break the group rules. I’ve found the group to be much nicer even when there is hardcore debate about stuff than normal discourse on AEM.

You must have missed them. The founder admitted on AEM that people were attempting to target teachers (take screenshots & send to SB) but he deleted those posts because he agreed that they were wrong.

You agree that this was wrong, right?

Does everyone realize what a nonsensical discussion this is? That twitter account was full of screenshots, not just of the FOIA which revealed who asked for Mary's APS emails, but screenshots mostly of APE's FB page. It promoted Mary heavily, using APE's/Miranda's words against them, and tagged current SB members and Arlington Dems. It's clear that Smart Restart was behind it (just from who exposed the handle, and those who followed the page), but I really want to know if Mary Kadera's campaign coordinated with them. Honestly, if Kadera's campaign coordinated with them, I'll sit this election out. No thank you.

So you are outraged that someone who supports Smart Restart (and Kadera) would do that. But not if someone from APE (Turner) doxxes teachers?

Just trying to follow your outrage here...

APE is not doxing teachers. If a member of the Facebook group crosses a line, the comment/post gets deleted by APE Admins.