do you know a lot of people who are leaving DCPS next year?

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Anonymous wrote:Do the super rich of dc really make decisions based on others moving? I’m going to sell my multi million dollar home and uproot my kids because of keeping up w the Joneses?

I really can’t believe they are that thick.

The “super rich” don’t send their kids to DCPS.

This, but the PP is also missing the point completely if they think this is about “keeping up with the Joneses”.

Exactly. No one lives on Capitol Hill to really keep up with the “Joneses”. Most people don’t choose narrow row houses with poor school choices in the upper grades. Or at least my parents weren’t millionaires when they raised us here. The area is more so a certain type of quirky, go against the grain idealist, city dweller type who values walkability. Many of those folks are also looking for a diverse environment for their kids.

This is not quite accurate for current hill parents. Row homes on the eastern side are well over a million and limited prek and daycare means lots of expensive nanny or nanny shares with activities. Parents are definitely more competitive though they pretend not to be.

It’s true, but I’d still argue, and this completely out of my azz, and it’s anonymous so who fking cares, and I know how much eye rolling this post will cause, but most parents who raise their kids on Capitol Hill, even those who raise them here but abscond for the suburbs for middle and high school care more about diversity in general than some cookie cutter folks who raised their kids in a safe little suburb like Annandale or some sht. It takes more grit to say “well there are still tons of carjackings, people openly smoke weed near the parks where my kid plays, and the city itself is using more lax on crime policies like youth rehabilitation act, or letting murderers out of jail at earlier ages in order to facilitate restorative justice, and thereby making my neighborhood more dangerous, but hey I’ll still stick this out. Not just because of the crime, the super liberal city council that may be causing crime to rise, or the poverty in the schools, ill stay because it’s a more real,diverse and equitable experience than shuttling my kids to a whiter suburban school with wealthier peers.”

Essentially, anyone raising their kids in Capitol Hill, EOTR and is of means has more balls than other folks who opt to immediately run to a safe suburb. So when these folks care about their kids learning in school and you all talk sht about how their racist or don’t care about social justice, you’re missing that they’re more

True.

Not true if their “concern for diversity” evaporates when they leave for Bethesda for middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents who don't care about hundreds, possibly thousands, of high SES DCPS families bolting from the system for good after this miserable school year of 100% DL for most are the kind who cut off their noses to spite their faces. They will need luck.

Gross over-estimation of your value but you do you.

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No individual family is that important, but the problem is that it can turn into a snowball effect. UMC people see other UMC people leaving, and decide they need to bail, too, because they want to see a critical mass of high-performing kids in order to entrust their own to the system.

There is nothing wrong with middle and low income minorities. Because that is really what you are describing, isn’t it? “Educational white flight.”

No, PP is describing educational UMC flight, white, black, Asian, Latino. Grow up.

No sorry UNW parents who make this argument mean specifically white kids. Be honest because you aren’t.

Wrong. How many times on this board do people talk about the UMC Black families living in Shepherd Park who send their kids private? I know this doesn’t fit your narrative but there it is.

Ha, we're one of these families, but we're a pretty minscule segment of the UMC population in DC. I agree w/the other PP that usually UMC is indeed code for white, affluent families.

Why are you fleeing public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Parents who don't care about hundreds, possibly thousands, of high SES DCPS families bolting from the system for good after this miserable school year of 100% DL for most are the kind who cut off their noses to spite their faces. They will need luck.

Gross over-estimation of your value but you do you.

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No individual family is that important, but the problem is that it can turn into a snowball effect. UMC people see other UMC people leaving, and decide they need to bail, too, because they want to see a critical mass of high-performing kids in order to entrust their own to the system.

There is nothing wrong with middle and low income minorities. Because that is really what you are describing, isn’t it? “Educational white flight.”

No, PP is describing educational UMC flight, white, black, Asian, Latino. Grow up.

No sorry UNW parents who make this argument mean specifically white kids. Be honest because you aren’t.

Wrong. How many times on this board do people talk about the UMC Black families living in Shepherd Park who send their kids private? I know this doesn’t fit your narrative but there it is.

Ha, we're one of these families, but we're a pretty minscule segment of the UMC population in DC. I agree w/the other PP that usually UMC is indeed code for white, affluent families.

DP. So you are acknowledging that UMC people in DC tend to be white, especially within DCPS, since most UMC Blacks (including you) are sending their kids to private. Yet you still use the word "code", implying that Upper NW families are secretly driven by racism and are trying to hide it by talking about SES instead of race, when it's simply the reality that SES and race tend to intersect in this city.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents who don't care about hundreds, possibly thousands, of high SES DCPS families bolting from the system for good after this miserable school year of 100% DL for most are the kind who cut off their noses to spite their faces. They will need luck.

Gross over-estimation of your value but you do you.

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No individual family is that important, but the problem is that it can turn into a snowball effect. UMC people see other UMC people leaving, and decide they need to bail, too, because they want to see a critical mass of high-performing kids in order to entrust their own to the system.

There is nothing wrong with middle and low income minorities. Because that is really what you are describing, isn’t it? “Educational white flight.”

No, PP is describing educational UMC flight, white, black, Asian, Latino. Grow up.

No sorry UNW parents who make this argument mean specifically white kids. Be honest because you aren’t.

Wrong. How many times on this board do people talk about the UMC Black families living in Shepherd Park who send their kids private? I know this doesn’t fit your narrative but there it is.

Ha, we're one of these families, but we're a pretty minscule segment of the UMC population in DC. I agree w/the other PP that usually UMC is indeed code for white, affluent families.

The families I know in DCPS who are fleeing the disaster of open ended 100% DL for elementary school are AA and Asian, not white. A couple left during the school year, as mid-year spots opened up in parochial schools. Not sure what good "codes" do us when the reality can be quite different.

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The number of parents looking for homes with yards and better systems in my circles outnumber the parents talking about sticking it out for the first time in my 11 years of being a DC parent

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For those of you who are like "oh whatever, who cares if white families leave?"

White flight is a thing, and reduces educational equality. The research is pretty clear that segregation of schools harms Black and Hispanic children.

You can also look at the work by Rucker Johnson about the impacts of desegregation--for black kids, desegregation meant an increase in graduation rates, a decrease in student poverty and greater equity in per student spending and class size. The NCSD found a large variety of measurable improvements for all children in integrated schools.

Resegregation has been increasing lately, and returning to separate and unequal has been uniformly negative. You can look at David Leibovitz's work on the impact of dropping de-segregation orders. Graduation rates for Black and Hispanic students dropped immediately.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who are like "oh whatever, who cares if white families leave?"

White flight is a thing, and reduces educational equality. The research is pretty clear that segregation of schools harms Black and Hispanic children.

You can also look at the work by Rucker Johnson about the impacts of desegregation--for black kids, desegregation meant an increase in graduation rates, a decrease in student poverty and greater equity in per student spending and class size. The NCSD found a large variety of measurable improvements for all children in integrated schools.

Resegregation has been increasing lately, and returning to separate and unequal has been uniformly negative. You can look at David Leibovitz's work on the impact of dropping de-segregation orders. Graduation rates for Black and Hispanic students dropped immediately.

Sorry, Liebowitz

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who are like "oh whatever, who cares if white families leave?"

White flight is a thing, and reduces educational equality. The research is pretty clear that segregation of schools harms Black and Hispanic children.

You can also look at the work by Rucker Johnson about the impacts of desegregation--for black kids, desegregation meant an increase in graduation rates, a decrease in student poverty and greater equity in per student spending and class size. The NCSD found a large variety of measurable improvements for all children in integrated schools.

Resegregation has been increasing lately, and returning to separate and unequal has been uniformly negative. You can look at David Leibovitz's work on the impact of dropping de-segregation orders. Graduation rates for Black and Hispanic students dropped immediately.

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I can't believe there are people here who are willing to go back to the era of segregation.

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Though you have to admit to the squishy logic here . . . if white parents aren't catered to (across many areas) they'll leave, which will harm nonwhite families and thereby cause segregation . . . which is usually defined by white people moving away.

I know it's inflammatory but isn't this a little too much like, "if you don't do what I say I'll hurt you and it'll be your fault?"

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Anonymous wrote:Though you have to admit to the squishy logic here . . . if white parents aren't catered to (across many areas) they'll leave, which will harm nonwhite families and thereby cause segregation . . . which is usually defined by white people moving away.

I know it's inflammatory but isn't this a little too much like, "if you don't do what I say I'll hurt you and it'll be your fault?"

What do you mean by white people being catered to? Providing their kids with the very basic service of in person schooling? Yeah, that's really a lot to ask for, those special snowflake Karens are out of their minds.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents who don't care about hundreds, possibly thousands, of high SES DCPS families bolting from the system for good after this miserable school year of 100% DL for most are the kind who cut off their noses to spite their faces. They will need luck.

Gross over-estimation of your value but you do you.

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No individual family is that important, but the problem is that it can turn into a snowball effect. UMC people see other UMC people leaving, and decide they need to bail, too, because they want to see a critical mass of high-performing kids in order to entrust their own to the system.

There is nothing wrong with middle and low income minorities. Because that is really what you are describing, isn’t it? “Educational white flight.”

No, PP is describing educational UMC flight, white, black, Asian, Latino. Grow up.

No sorry UNW parents who make this argument mean specifically white kids. Be honest because you aren’t.

Wrong. How many times on this board do people talk about the UMC Black families living in Shepherd Park who send their kids private? I know this doesn’t fit your narrative but there it is.

Ha, we're one of these families, but we're a pretty minscule segment of the UMC population in DC. I agree w/the other PP that usually UMC is indeed code for white, affluent families.

that’s because UMC black families are not in DC anyway - they’re in PG Co, MoCo, etc.

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yeah the intersectionality thing. Basically the middle portion in DC is missing classwise, so the intersectional slice of black America we have is the portion that's UMC at the very top in neighborhoods like Chevy Chase or folks in Ward 7 and 8, usually lower-income than black folks in Prince George's or in Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:Though you have to admit to the squishy logic here . . . if white parents aren't catered to (across many areas) they'll leave, which will harm nonwhite families and thereby cause segregation . . . which is usually defined by white people moving away.

I know it's inflammatory but isn't this a little too much like, "if you don't do what I say I'll hurt you and it'll be your fault?"

them's the research though. things would get worse.

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Anonymous wrote:yeah the intersectionality thing. Basically the middle portion in DC is missing classwise, so the intersectional slice of black America we have is the portion that's UMC at the very top in neighborhoods like Chevy Chase or folks in Ward 7 and 8, usually lower-income than black folks in Prince George's or in Montgomery County.

There may not be a huge number but there certainly are some black middle class / upper middle class families in DC. And yes, some send their kids to private schools. Probably a higher percentage than white families. I can't blame them, given racial profiling.

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Anonymous wrote:Though you have to admit to the squishy logic here . . . if white parents aren't catered to (across many areas) they'll leave, which will harm nonwhite families and thereby cause segregation . . . which is usually defined by white people moving away.

I know it's inflammatory but isn't this a little too much like, "if you don't do what I say I'll hurt you and it'll be your fault?"

What do you mean by white people being catered to? Providing their kids with the very basic service of in person schooling? Yeah, that's really a lot to ask for, those special snowflake Karens are out of their minds.

The expectation that white people should sit down and shut up because white privilege is silly. Yes, white parents (and many parents of color) would like our children to receive an adequate education. So sue us. Or, heck maybe we should sue DC? I have a feeling there are some lawyers among us. Anyone up for a class action?