Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am watching it now. I’m having a hard time telling these two guys apart in their talking head interviews.

The Australian guy is married to a woman now, although he pings my gaydar. Is the other guy gay?

Are you disparaging them?

For Pete’s sake, it’s a question. SMH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a retired federal agent who arrested many pedophiles. I have zero doubt that MJ was a child predator.

why?

He possesses all the classic traits of a child abuser (watch the documentary Abducted in Plain Sight). Very similar M.O. (slowly grooming the entire family, separating the kid from the parents, showering the kid with gifts, positive feedback and “love,” and then eventually sexual abuse. There was nothing normal about MJ. There are tons of other child stars who had lost childhoods. You didn’t see them parading around with young children, building a “Neverland,” and telling all these young same-sexed children how much they loved them (followed my many of them alledging sexual abuse, including one receiving a $25mm settlement). The few potential victims that claimed they weren’t abused by MJ turned out to be train wrecks.

Exactly. And why were they train wrecks? Dealing with all of this made them so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People saying he’s innocent because he surrounded himself with kids he never touched do not understand how predators work.

I was abused by a teacher. He surrounded himself with students— constantly had them over to his house, set up fun activities on the weekends, etc. 99% of them would be shocked to know he was a predator. He told me once, “I fall in love with my students all the time but usually don’t act on it.”

I felt like he had picked me above everyone else to be the most special and loved. I lost my virginity to him. We had sex in his locked classroom a lot. Then I noticed at one point that he was starting to turn a lot of attention to a friend of mine and I felt awful feelings of jealousy. I don’t know if he ever touched her but I’m guessing yes.

He was so good at making you feel like this was a special, romantic relationship, that you would naturally want to keep the secret and defend the relationship forever. At one point my friends became suspicious and told the principal something might be up. I denied everything, because I loved him, and nothing happened to the teacher.

Sounds very much like what happened here.

Do you know what happened to the teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am watching it now. I’m having a hard time telling these two guys apart in their talking head interviews.

The Australian guy is married to a woman now, although he pings my gaydar. Is the other guy gay?

Are you disparaging them?

For Pete’s sake, it’s a question. SMH.

Watch the full documentary. The second episode includes their wives (yes, they’re both married). One is very much still struggling to process the trauma.

[Anonymous]

I cannot stop feeling sick while watching this. MJ is roasting in hell.

[Anonymous]

I wish they would have put what year things were happening in, as the stories went on. When Wade finally came back into the picture and he stayed at Neverland and his family was at the grand Canyon, where was James? The storyline with James made it sound like they spent all their time together.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone talked about jo Jackson sexually abusing his kids? It would make a lot of sense. He was a
Monster in every way. And all the kids still
Seem to fear his wrath even though he is dead.

[Anonymous]

For the people who are harping on about how the men denied it before: I was sexually abused when I was 13. I told nobody until I was 19, and when I did, I downplayed it and denied it was abuse. It wasn't until I got therapy when I was in my 30s that I finally was able to even use the word 'abuse' without getting ill to my stomach and having a panic attack. I couldn't have even typed this anonymously in my 20s, let alone have an interview about it. I would have denied it too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the people who are harping on about how the men denied it before: I was sexually abused when I was 13. I told nobody until I was 19, and when I did, I downplayed it and denied it was abuse. It wasn't until I got therapy when I was in my 30s that I finally was able to even use the word 'abuse' without getting ill to my stomach and having a panic attack. I couldn't have even typed this anonymously in my 20s, let alone have an interview about it. I would have denied it too.

I am sorry for what happened to you. Thank you for trying to help all the numbnuts on here understand how child sex abuse works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying he’s innocent because he surrounded himself with kids he never touched do not understand how predators work.

I was abused by a teacher. He surrounded himself with students— constantly had them over to his house, set up fun activities on the weekends, etc. 99% of them would be shocked to know he was a predator. He told me once, “I fall in love with my students all the time but usually don’t act on it.”

I felt like he had picked me above everyone else to be the most special and loved. I lost my virginity to him. We had sex in his locked classroom a lot. Then I noticed at one point that he was starting to turn a lot of attention to a friend of mine and I felt awful feelings of jealousy. I don’t know if he ever touched her but I’m guessing yes.

He was so good at making you feel like this was a special, romantic relationship, that you would naturally want to keep the secret and defend the relationship forever. At one point my friends became suspicious and told the principal something might be up. I denied everything, because I loved him, and nothing happened to the teacher.

Sounds very much like what happened here.

Do you know what happened to the teacher?

Not pp, but a similar situation happened to a few of my friends in junior high. Our science teacher was abusing several girls over a period of many years. Looking back it is hard for me to believe that these close friends wouldn't even tell me at the time but I think that's how master manipulation by these predators go. Kids are too scared, vulnerable, ashamed, etc to tell anyone. Eventually our teacher was caught and committed suicide before ever being punished which still pisses me off.

[Anonymous]

I am watching it now. I’m having a hard time telling these two guys apart in their talking head interviews.

I had the same problem. But it was so worth watching and I absolutely believe them. I was never a huge fan of MJ so I thought he was screwy even before the first lawsuit. The fact that people are still in denial after the first lawsuit, the Martin Bashir interview and the criminal trial - it’s ridiculous.
The Oprah interview afterwards was really powerful. She said she had done hundreds of episodes on child sexual abuse but how they described it was more meaningful for those who hadn’t experienced it than she ever had been able to.

[Anonymous]

The biggest contribution of this film is not on Jackson’s guilt per se—it is about how well-meaning, somewhat credulous and aspirational parents are groomed alongside their kids.

I don’t know how these parents ever stop blaming themselves; it’s a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the people who are harping on about how the men denied it before: I was sexually abused when I was 13. I told nobody until I was 19, and when I did, I downplayed it and denied it was abuse. It wasn't until I got therapy when I was in my 30s that I finally was able to even use the word 'abuse' without getting ill to my stomach and having a panic attack. I couldn't have even typed this anonymously in my 20s, let alone have an interview about it. I would have denied it too.

And imagine how it would be when the molester is one of the most beloved figure in the music industry.

[Anonymous]

I’m really disturbed by the people who refuse to watch the Leaving Neverland documentary but are diehard defending Michael Jackson. I was creepily obsessed with the man my whole life, so I get wanting to protect him or not believe it.

BUT

Anyone who watches this documentary AND has experienced sexual abuse as a child personally or has witnessed the process of grooming and seen the effects it has had on a loved one... it is undeniable that these two men are not lying. Their experiences, words, emotions, details, behavior, and journey are so parallel to what I’ve seen others I know experience. Including feeling differently and realizing what happened what was wrong when they had their own children. There isn’t always going to be evidence. Some people will have repressed memories that resurface and some people will want to tell when they are ready. I would have definitely not told anyone til Michael was dead, because even now Wade’s family is receiving death threats. The man was too powerful.

And it breaks my heart and makes me so sick because I truly love Michael Jackson. I plastered my walls with him, almost got tattoo of him when he died. I defended him when during his 2005 allegations. But after watching this documentary as a fan with a completely open mind, I believe them. And I have so much sympathy for them, because Michael truly ruined their lives. If you do not have ANY experience or educated knowledge about sexual childhood abuse you will not understand why these men acted the way they did, why they lied, why they protected Michael, and why they are coming forward now. I see evidence of Stockholm syndrome.

My heart really hurt watching people not believe the first boys who came forward many years ago rewatching those trials as an adult because I see through a different lens. I cannot imagine going up against one of the world’s biggest pop stars as a child and then having people say you’re lying. It’s already hard for any victim to speak up, imagine someone who has this star power.

If you separate the beloved entertainer from a regular man, it is clear to me what went on it. And it is a damn shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone talked about jo Jackson sexually abusing his kids? It would make a lot of sense. He was a
Monster in every way. And all the kids still
Seem to fear his wrath even though he is dead.

Latoya was the only one to come clean about that, right? Michael said his dad was vicious, however, but didn't give specifics.