Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone has laid out a counter argument and evidence that points to his innocence

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/

People are like sheep and have no critical thinking skills.

Michael was and continues to be framed.
Great analysis.

Its sad that people are still trying to make a buck out of a very talented and innocent man.

So was Bill Cosby. So was OJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone has laid out a counter argument and evidence that points to his innocence

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/

People are like sheep and have no critical thinking skills.

Michael was and continues to be framed.
Great analysis.

Its sad that people are still trying to make a buck out of a very talented and innocent man.

I read through the initial Reddit post. I don't understand how people can say, "Macauley Culkin says he wasn't abused by Michael Jackson, so ..." as if that's some sort of evidence that MJ wasn't a pedophile:

"Child friends of Michael’s who say they were never molested or saw anything like that happening
Macaulay Culkin
Corey Feldman
Corey Haim
Kelly Parker
Brett Barnes
Michael’s nephews, Taj, TJ, And Taryell Jackson
Ray J
Alfonso Ribeiro
Emmanuel Lewis
Among many, many, many others. Along with many other adults, family members, friends, employees and his wives insisting they never saw it, never suspected it, and didn’t believe Michael had it in him to do such things."

Just because MJ didn't molest or rape every young boy he met doesn't exonerate him at all. And how many children and adult survivors of molestation and child rape don't come forward? How many famous people would come forward?

Was MJ blackmailed, etc.? Maybe by some people or families. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what’s the truth here? Im curious about this doc but seems biased in its narrative. I’ve read articles that the FBI cleared MJ but if it looks like a duck...
Was he really a clueless man child or was he abusing children?

I think the difference is that two men have come forward and are now open and willing to talk about the abuse they experienced. I would guess after this, there will be more victims come forward. Previously, there were rumors and whispers and little snippets but no one just put it all out on the table.

It takes a lot of guts for sexual abuse survivors (especially men) to go public and tell it all.

This isn't an investigative documentary. It is two people telling about what happened to them in detail. I don't know if these two had ever disclosed anything while MJ was alive. They may have not come forward until after this death.

They both came forward before denying MJ abused them, one even testifying in court on his behalf. If they were lying then, there could be multiple reasons why and I hope the documentary addresses it. I would really love to hear from the first accuser from the early 90s. I remember reading his deposition on The Smoking Gun and it was chilling.

After watching R. Kelly's ex-wife go on and on about her abuse in the R. Kelly series, then seeing the Youtube video where she's singing along with his music, calling him her baby's daddy and seemingly defending him, I will forever doubt anyone filmed in a documentary - especially if they're contradicting other testimony. So way to go Drea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone has laid out a counter argument and evidence that points to his innocence

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/

People are like sheep and have no critical thinking skills.

Michael was and continues to be framed.
Great analysis.

Its sad that people are still trying to make a buck out of a very talented and innocent man.

I read through the initial Reddit post. I don't understand how people can say, "Macauley Culkin says he wasn't abused by Michael Jackson, so ..." as if that's some sort of evidence that MJ wasn't a pedophile:

"Child friends of Michael’s who say they were never molested or saw anything like that happening
Macaulay Culkin
Corey Feldman
Corey Haim
Kelly Parker
Brett Barnes
Michael’s nephews, Taj, TJ, And Taryell Jackson
Ray J
Alfonso Ribeiro
Emmanuel Lewis
Among many, many, many others. Along with many other adults, family members, friends, employees and his wives insisting they never saw it, never suspected it, and didn’t believe Michael had it in him to do such things."

Just because MJ didn't molest or rape every young boy he met doesn't exonerate him at all. And how many children and adult survivors of molestation and child rape don't come forward? How many famous people would come forward?

Was MJ blackmailed, etc.? Maybe by some people or families. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile.

I think it boils down to type. Pedos have types. I haven't followed this closely at all. However, reading through this thread does make me question his relationships, as even those who were untouched were boys.

I did see a quick response from Feldman where he questioned whether MJ did indeed abuse him. I wish I could remember the clip.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t celebrity kids also go to neverland?

It wasn’t just random kids. His friends and family were always around too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?

Because he’s black and it’s racist to make allegations against him.

Oh please - NBC is airing a tribute show to Elvis Presley next month, despite his multiple “relationships” with underage girls. Explain that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?

Because he’s black and it’s racist to make allegations against him.

Oh please - NBC is airing a tribute show to Elvis Presley next month, despite his multiple “relationships” with underage girls. Explain that.

Elvis was a pedo, too?

never liked his music . . .

still - yikes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music g'ets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?

Because he’s black and it’s racist to make allegations against him.

Oh please - NBC is airing a tribute show to Elvis Presley next month, despite his multiple “relationships” with underage girls. Explain that.

Elvis was a pedo, too?

never liked his music . . .

still - yikes!

Well that is different. People care about young girls and sexual predators. They do not care about young boys and sexual predators. I am waiting for the MJ defenders to start saying the boys liked it....you know how boys are

[Anonymous]

Oh please - NBC is airing a tribute show to Elvis Presley next month, despite his multiple “relationships” with underage girls. Explain that.

Elvis was a pedo, too?

never liked his music . . .

still - yikes!

Well that is different. People care about young girls and sexual predators. They do not care about young boys and sexual predators. I am waiting for the MJ defenders to start saying the boys liked it....you know how boys are

People care about young boys, especially young white boys, way more than they care about young black girls, as evidenced by R Kelly hiding in plain sight for 25 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?

Because he’s black and it’s racist to make allegations against him.

Oh please - NBC is airing a tribute show to Elvis Presley next month, despite his multiple “relationships” with underage girls. Explain that.

Elvis was a pedo, too?

never liked his music . . .

still - yikes!

Yes, Priscilla was 14 and he was in his early/mid 20s when they started dating.

[Anonymous]

If he were innocent, why did he pay one kid's family $20+ million to settle out of court? Way too much smoke for no fire.

I 100% believe he was a pedophile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?

Is that such a bad thing? That show (still) is insufferable. They did the world a favor.

+100. That show was terrible

As to that show being “expunged” MPR took them off of their platform (and subsequently put them back on)

Keillor owns the rights to all of those shows, and can put them on any platform he wishes. MPR is not obligated to make them available to the public in perpetuity.

http://www.startribune.com/mpr-garrison-keillor-reach-agreement/479715983/






Wow, did you miss the point of the example...

I didn't miss the point. I commented on the part that offended me the most.

[Anonymous]

Unless evidence miraculously surfaces, I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth. But it’s absolutely unfair to tell potential survivors they shouldn’t come forward with their stories just because he’s not alive to defend himself. You can, of course, choose not to listen and choose not to believe them. But they shouldn’t have to be silent. I choose to believe them.

[Anonymous]

I just had an interesting experience. . .

I went to YouTube to watch the trailer, searching “Leaving Neverland Trailer.” It should have popped up in the first few hits, but instead there’s a bunch of misleading junk. I thought one of the first hits was it, but as I watched, I realized it was meant to look like the real trailer but then morphed into a “parody” trailer that called Robson and Savechuck liars.

I seems like there is a deliberate effort to obscure info about this movie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just had an interesting experience. . .

I went to YouTube to watch the trailer, searching “Leaving Neverland Trailer.” It should have popped up in the first few hits, but instead there’s a bunch of misleading junk. I thought one of the first hits was it, but as I watched, I realized it was meant to look like the real trailer but then morphed into a “parody” trailer that called Robson and Savechuck liars.

I seems like there is a deliberate effort to obscure info about this movie.

The MJ fandom is like a cult. Seriously.