Takoma, Easter Magnets. MCPS Pilots Universal Evaluation Process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

And you know that isn't remotely true, the peer cohort excluded higher performing students in favor if lower performing students in attempt to rebalance the demographic numbers but after minority kids from further out locations didn't accept spots, it ended up being DCC white kids. Yuck.

Fine by me, we're all federal and state dept workers living in silver spring taking the red line to work. We can afford to live in DCC and we love it! We live by Blair and we all get into its magnet program just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how the DCC moms are trying to deflect from the issue that the spots intended to serve diversity ended up serving rich white DCC kids who didn't score as high as others. Don't you feel bad that the white DCC kid is somewhere that they don't deserve to be and that URM kids were not helped in the end? Guess not.

just post the data and I'll get the press right on it .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS really needs to be more transparent about test scores so that parents from all parts of the county can trust the process again.
I think what many people were shocked by was the unusually low acceptance numbers from certain CES schools I seem to remember someone saying the Cold Spring went from 25 acceptances last year to just 2 this year.

This is from the MCCPTA letter from February

"Over the last few days, it has come to our attention that, a number of students in the 99th percentile in all of the CogAT categories (Verbal, Quantitative, Nonverbal, and Composite) are being denied entrance - and are not even eligible for the wait pool -- because MCPS believes that the presence of large numbers of academic peers in their local schools will result in their needs being met at those schools. In addition, early indicators suggest that large numbers of very high performing students currently attending one of in the Centers for Enriched Studies (particularly in Barnsley CES, Chevy Chase CES, and Cold Spring CES as we learned for now) are not being offered placement in the magnets, even though those students have completed an elementary curriculum that places them well above the MCPS curriculum offered in local middle schools."

This is a very powerful letter and set of information. I hope White & Case do this on a pro bono basis and just swamp Central Office with requests for discovery.

[Anonymous]

The above poster is sadly misinformed. Admission into the magnet wasn't solely based on a single test score but a range of things including several tests and grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS really needs to be more transparent about test scores so that parents from all parts of the county can trust the process again.
I think what many people were shocked by was the unusually low acceptance numbers from certain CES schools I seem to remember someone saying the Cold Spring went from 25 acceptances last year to just 2 this year.

This is from the MCCPTA letter from February

"Over the last few days, it has come to our attention that, a number of students in the 99th percentile in all of the CogAT categories (Verbal, Quantitative, Nonverbal, and Composite) are being denied entrance - and are not even eligible for the wait pool -- because MCPS believes that the presence of large numbers of academic peers in their local schools will result in their needs being met at those schools. In addition, early indicators suggest that large numbers of very high performing students currently attending one of in the Centers for Enriched Studies (particularly in Barnsley CES, Chevy Chase CES, and Cold Spring CES as we learned for now) are not being offered placement in the magnets, even though those students have completed an elementary curriculum that places them well above the MCPS curriculum offered in local middle schools."

This makes a number of assumptions that haven't been established. Nevertheless, it seems like a win-win for those students who get accelerated classes without having to leave their home school Just goes to show you can't please some MCPS parents even though many had been clamoring for exactly this.

This is a very powerful letter and set of information. I hope White & Case do this on a pro bono basis and just swamp Central Office with requests for discovery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

And you know that isn't remotely true, the peer cohort excluded higher performing students in favor if lower performing students in attempt to rebalance the demographic numbers but after minority kids from further out locations didn't accept spots, it ended up being DCC white kids. Yuck.

Fine by me, we're all federal and state dept workers living in silver spring taking the red line to work. We can afford to live in DCC and we love it! We live by Blair and we all get into its magnet program just fine.

The poster believes there was a conspiracy to exclude their children in favor of "undeserving URMs" even though it hasn't been established that their offspring were indeed higher performing. Not a shred of evidence supports this theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

Where is the peer cohort variable in this? In most catchment areas, it seems to have overridden a lot of the quantitative variables you've listed. either as a strong positive weighting or a strong negative weighting.

What are grades for a 3rd grader applying to CES? ES/P or A/B?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

You're misinformed. The county uses a test like the CogAt screener.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

Where is the peer cohort variable in this? In most catchment areas, it seems to have overridden a lot of the quantitative variables you've listed. either as a strong positive weighting or a strong negative weighting.

What are grades for a 3rd grader applying to CES? ES/P or A/B?

I'm personally thrilled that my child is getting enriched classes without having to travel across the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

You're misinformed. The county uses a test like the CogAt screener.

No, that was only for the centers. The MS magnets used the full test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

You missed the point which was to identify the most qualified students for these programs. Almost 10X as many students competed for the limited slots this year than in previous. Changes to the test and selection were made such that prepping had less of an impact.

what variables are the kids competing on to be admitted?

My understanding was a simplified version of the CogAT, grades and MAP scores. The county only looked at the percentile not fractional values like 0.01%. This didn't sit well with some parents. Also where there was a large enough cohort of high performers at one school or another they simply offered them, accelerated classes locally.

Wrong! It was the full CogAt.

Where is the peer cohort variable in this? In most catchment areas, it seems to have overridden a lot of the quantitative variables you've listed. either as a strong positive weighting or a strong negative weighting.

What are grades for a 3rd grader applying to CES? ES/P or A/B?

If you have to ask this question, you don’t even have a kid with skin in the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is so pathetic about this is that while MCPS may have intended to reduce the Asian students in favor of other minority students, the end result after admit acceptances seems to be replacing higher performing Asian students with lower performing white DCC students. White privilege is alive and well and the white DCC mommies on this thread are busy protecting it! They could care less about Latino or AA students and are constantly, desperately seeking more URM whites to "save" their neighborhood schools, want to bus the poor kids out of their schools , and push for schools within schools so their kids don't mix with the other lower performing population. Biggest bunch os hypocrites on the planet.

The whole thing is a big cluster. No one is happy except the DCC white mommies who think they benefited somehow. Actual URM students were not helped in any way. MCPS is yet again in legal hot water this time for racial selection thinly disguised as geographic discrimination. Principals and teachers got screwed when the central office tried to dig themselves out at the last minute by creating faux enriched classes that didn't exist.

Where are you getting this data?