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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

That’s a pretty big accusation to throw out. What is your basis for saying that?

Do skaters have child protection advocates to ensure protection from abuse? I don't think so. DP

I was watching ice skating today and was thinking the same thing. I don't see how those girls are any more protected.

I think there are some important differences between gymnastics and ice skating. You don’t have a centralized “camp” system. I also don’t know of a local rink that has a doctor setting up shop in the rink itself like Nassar did at the gyms (but maybe someone else does?). Although skaters are frequently injured, I think that the constant pounding and injuries that gymnasts endure is slightly higher. I’m not sure what proportion of elite skaters, for instance, are receiving “treatment” literally after every practice and performance like these gymnasts were. And there is no collegiate figure skating.

This isn’t to say that abuse isn’t happening, because sadly I’m sure it is- I just hope it’s not as widespread.

"Hoping" isn't good enough. That's what's enabling the other Larry Nassar's out there to assault the kids behind closed doors. People like you are a huge part of the problem. The kids must be kept safe from predator coaches, and such. Why don't you want there to be independently appointed child safety advocates?

Where did I say that? I do think there should be independently appointed child safety advocates. I just dont think we can assume the problem is as widespread in figure skating based solely on gut intuition. I urge you to conduct an investigation and report back to us.

Let's set you straight, Mister. Don't make an ass of yourself. The safety of the children must be assured, without doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

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There needs to be oversight and protection of minors in sports. Period. This is totally unacceptable. Those poor women.

Dig deep enough and I bet we'd uncover assault of softball players, swimmers, cross country runners ... et cetera. But the fact that the whole elite gymnastics community is centered inside the Karolyi ranch allowed for years and years of this decrepitude.

Figure skating has that same (awful) subjectivity as gymnastics. However, there's no national nexus. Skaters are scattered at a dozen (?) rinks around the country. They all have different coaches and see different doctors and trainers. There's no team like there is in gymnastics. The decentralization, though, only helps skaters NOT at the hypothetically scumbucket rink.

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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

That’s a pretty big accusation to throw out. What is your basis for saying that?

Do skaters have child protection advocates to ensure protection from abuse? I don't think so. DP

I was watching ice skating today and was thinking the same thing. I don't see how those girls are any more protected.

I think there are some important differences between gymnastics and ice skating. You don’t have a centralized “camp” system. I also don’t know of a local rink that has a doctor setting up shop in the rink itself like Nassar did at the gyms (but maybe someone else does?). Although skaters are frequently injured, I think that the constant pounding and injuries that gymnasts endure is slightly higher. I’m not sure what proportion of elite skaters, for instance, are receiving “treatment” literally after every practice and performance like these gymnasts were. And there is no collegiate figure skating.

This isn’t to say that abuse isn’t happening, because sadly I’m sure it is- I just hope it’s not as widespread.

"Hoping" isn't good enough. That's what's enabling the other Larry Nassar's out there to assault the kids behind closed doors. People like you are a huge part of the problem. The kids must be kept safe from predator coaches, and such. Why don't you want there to be independently appointed child safety advocates?

Where did I say that? I do think there should be independently appointed child safety advocates. I just dont think we can assume the problem is as widespread in figure skating based solely on gut intuition. I urge you to conduct an investigation and report back to us.

Let's set you straight, Mister. Don't make an ass of yourself. The safety of the children must be assured, without doubt.

Not a Mister, and you’re the one making an ass of yourself. Have a good day.

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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

You know nothing about figure skating. Or do you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

You know nothing about figure skating. Or do you?

Are you trying to say minor children shouldn't be protected from sex predators? Hopefully not. Good. We're all in agreement here.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really sickening to me that Nassar was involved with both the Karolyis' and John Geddert. Both men seem to me to be feared by the gymnasts they coach and Nassar was there to "save" them. I've only read a little about Geddert, but I've read many stories over the years about Bella Karolyi belittling gymnasts for their weight and forcing them to adhere to extremely strict diets, outbursts of rage and anger, incidents of physical violence and then physiological torment by doing things like completely ignoring a gymnast if he felt she wasn't performing correctly.

At 6 years old, I remember watching Mary Lou Retton compete in the Olympics and I also grew up idolizing Nadia. Bella Karolyi was the coach for both of these gymnasts, but I've never heard either one say anything negative about him. Is this some kind of sick loyalty thing or did he have favorites that he treated "decently"? Did he only prey on certain ones because from everything I've read it seemed like everything he did was done very much in the open and in front of other gymnasts as a way of creating fear, shame and intimidation. More and more, this just seems like such a bizarre and sick world.

My knowledge of gymnastics is rather limited, but even I know that Karolyi is a violent nutjob. I would never leave my child in his care. Chasing Olympic gold isn't a legit reason to abdicate parental responsibility of your child. It just makes you look greedy and irresponsible. And now we have proof that it was a reckless decision with heartbreaking consequences.

Why do you believe USA Gymnastics supported such a reckless and abusive environment for these children?

All those gold medals.

My enthusiasm for the next Olympics has diminished. Now I'll have to question if the kids were abused or assaulted in any way during their years of excruciating work.

No way should we believe Nassar is the only one. Just look how much it took to finally take him down. The US Olympic Committee authorities and coaches are obviously NOT protecting the kids from sexual predators. Where are the child protection advocates?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

You know nothing about figure skating. Or do you?

Are you trying to say minor children shouldn't be protected from sex predators? Hopefully not. Good. We're all in agreement here.

Why are you limiting your ignorant smear job to figure skating? What about swimming? Diving? Bathing suits! Archery? Tae kwon do? Go to town with your baseless speculation and throw some mud, honey!

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Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

You know nothing about figure skating. Or do you?

Are you trying to say minor children shouldn't be protected from sex predators? Hopefully not. Good. We're all in agreement here.

Why are you limiting your ignorant smear job to figure skating? What about swimming? Diving? Bathing suits! Archery? Tae kwon do? Go to town with your baseless speculation and throw some mud, honey!

I'm not your skater poster. You're confused.
Lots of us want to stop the abuse of children.

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Swimming and diving, hell yes and locally...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ex-swimming-coach-rick-curl-to-be-sentenced-in-child-sex-abuse-case/2013/05/23/d80320f2-c3a5-11e2-9fe2-6ee52d0eb7c1_story.html?utm_term=.a6c1179520ef

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yep just going to chime in there's a well known problem in swimming. It's obviously everywhere, and anyone saying it's not a problem in their sport is, i think, dangerously misinformed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story makes me think ice skating probably has its share of predators as well.

It is irresponsible to smear an entire different sport when you have no evidence and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing about child abuse. Or do you?

You know nothing about figure skating. Or do you?

Are you trying to say minor children shouldn't be protected from sex predators? Hopefully not. Good. We're all in agreement here.

Why are you limiting your ignorant smear job to figure skating? What about swimming? Diving? Bathing suits! Archery? Tae kwon do? Go to town with your baseless speculation and throw some mud, honey!

I'm not your skater poster. You're confused.
Lots of us want to stop the abuse of children.

Hence your non-sequiturs.

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Anonymous wrote:Swimming and diving, hell yes and locally...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ex-swimming-coach-rick-curl-to-be-sentenced-in-child-sex-abuse-case/2013/05/23/d80320f2-c3a5-11e2-9fe2-6ee52d0eb7c1_story.html?utm_term=.a6c1179520ef

Thank you. We just need to open our eyes and look around. Learn how these evil criminals befriend our children and gain access to assault our children.

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Anonymous wrote:Swimming and diving, hell yes and locally...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ex-swimming-coach-rick-curl-to-be-sentenced-in-child-sex-abuse-case/2013/05/23/d80320f2-c3a5-11e2-9fe2-6ee52d0eb7c1_story.html?utm_term=.a6c1179520ef

Thank you. We just need to open our eyes and look around. Learn how these evil criminals befriend our children and gain access to assault our children.

Seems like we should do away with all organized sports, don’t you agree?