Non Jews and Circumcision - Question

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

US urologists are notoriously pro-circ; European and Latin American urologists often find the speed at which their US colleagues recommend circumcision to be troubling. There is a profit motive.

I have many French friends and this is true.

Same in Asia.

This is one example where US practices are simply barbaric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes we did and so did everyone we know.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:So, pro-circ people, why not let your sons make up their own minds? Make your case for circumcision as they grow up, and then let them decide. If you were truly confident that circumcision was best, why remove the choice from them?

Because it's way more complicated and painful for adults. My DS was circed in the hospital and didn't cry once (the pediatrician used local anaesthesia). Nor were there any issues or any pain during his brief recovery. Conversely, I know three men who had it done as adults because of issues they were having, and it was painful and unpleasant.

It's not that dramatically different. Certainly it's something an adult man could choose if he wished. This is just an excuse.

You can't simultaneously claim it's NBD for babies -- especially without anesthesia -- and then make a huge deal about how difficult and impossible it is for adult men. Pick a lane.

1. Babies do get anaesthesia. 2. Babies don't get erections.

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Anonymous wrote:So, pro-circ people, why not let your sons make up their own minds? Make your case for circumcision as they grow up, and then let them decide. If you were truly confident that circumcision was best, why remove the choice from them?

Because it's way more complicated and painful for adults. My DS was circed in the hospital and didn't cry once (the pediatrician used local anaesthesia). Nor were there any issues or any pain during his brief recovery. Conversely, I know three men who had it done as adults because of issues they were having, and it was painful and unpleasant.

It's not that dramatically different. Certainly it's something an adult man could choose if he wished. This is just an excuse.

You can't simultaneously claim it's NBD for babies -- especially without anesthesia -- and then make a huge deal about how difficult and impossible it is for adult men. Pick a lane.

1. Babies do get anaesthesia. 2. Babies don't get erections.

Number 2 is actually not true. Baby genitals can get engorged for all sorts of reasons. Baby boys’ penises are not always completely flaccid. Number 1 is not true all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely crazy to me how much people care about this, and how many incredibly angry people there are in this thread. Wow. Do it or don't, there are pros and cons to each choice, and it's unlikely to make any difference in your son's life either way. Good gracious.

There are a lot of men who are very upset they were circumcised. It's obnoxious to dismiss their experiences.

Seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely crazy to me how much people care about this, and how many incredibly angry people there are in this thread. Wow. Do it or don't, there are pros and cons to each choice, and it's unlikely to make any difference in your son's life either way. Good gracious.

Agree. I also don't get how inflamed the discussion on this is. It's almost as bad as SAH vs WOH!!

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Anonymous wrote:So, pro-circ people, why not let your sons make up their own minds? Make your case for circumcision as they grow up, and then let them decide. If you were truly confident that circumcision was best, why remove the choice from them?

Because it's way more complicated and painful for adults. My DS was circed in the hospital and didn't cry once (the pediatrician used local anaesthesia). Nor were there any issues or any pain during his brief recovery. Conversely, I know three men who had it done as adults because of issues they were having, and it was painful and unpleasant.

That it is more complicated or painful is not a reason to take the choice away from your son! It is his body, his health and his sex life.

+1. Also, can people stop whining about how much it hurts adult men? Get over it. It's not MAJOR surgery. Why are men such wimps? Women's private parts go through so much worse!

There is absolutely NO analogy to this regarding women. Has someone ever snipped off part of your clitoris? Such a dumb argument. Giving birth is not an analogy. Womens bodies are designed to give birth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, pro-circ people, why not let your sons make up their own minds? Make your case for circumcision as they grow up, and then let them decide. If you were truly confident that circumcision was best, why remove the choice from them?

Because it's way more complicated and painful for adults. My DS was circed in the hospital and didn't cry once (the pediatrician used local anaesthesia). Nor were there any issues or any pain during his brief recovery. Conversely, I know three men who had it done as adults because of issues they were having, and it was painful and unpleasant.

That it is more complicated or painful is not a reason to take the choice away from your son! It is his body, his health and his sex life.

+1. Also, can people stop whining about how much it hurts adult men? Get over it. It's not MAJOR surgery. Why are men such wimps? Women's private parts go through so much worse!

There is absolutely NO analogy to this regarding women. Has someone ever snipped off part of your clitoris? Such a dumb argument. Giving birth is not an analogy. Womens bodies are designed to give birth.

And men's bodies are designed with a foreskin.

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Anonymous wrote:So, pro-circ people, why not let your sons make up their own minds? Make your case for circumcision as they grow up, and then let them decide. If you were truly confident that circumcision was best, why remove the choice from them?

Because it's way more complicated and painful for adults. My DS was circed in the hospital and didn't cry once (the pediatrician used local anaesthesia). Nor were there any issues or any pain during his brief recovery. Conversely, I know three men who had it done as adults because of issues they were having, and it was painful and unpleasant.

That it is more complicated or painful is not a reason to take the choice away from your son! It is his body, his health and his sex life.

+1. Also, can people stop whining about how much it hurts adult men? Get over it. It's not MAJOR surgery. Why are men such wimps? Women's private parts go through so much worse!

There is absolutely NO analogy to this regarding women. Has someone ever snipped off part of your clitoris? Such a dumb argument. Giving birth is not an analogy. Womens bodies are designed to give birth.

PP, let me speak slowly so you understand my point. I am anti-circ. My point was simply that ppl arguing for infant circ by claiming adult circ is so awful are being silly. If an adult wants to get himself circumcised, it’s not like open heart surgery. He’ll recover fine.

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You can't simultaneously claim it's NBD for babies -- especially without anesthesia -- and then make a huge deal about how difficult and impossible it is for adult men. Pick a lane.

This!

Exactly! I’m very protective against unnecessary (painful!) medical procedures for my baby.

When that baby grows up to be a man it will be his decision to undergo painful procedures, be it tattoos, piercings or genital mutilation. Why do you feel entitled to make those decisions for your sons?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the previous replies, but it is cleaner, it is more common - who wants their son to be the one in the locker room getting teased because he looks different? as for pain, COME ON, it's over in 2 seconds. at my son's circumcision, he cried for 10 seconds. it was literally NOTHING and healed so quickly. I find uncircumcised men dirty, as do a lot of women. it's just putting your son in a position where his peers and lovers may question the whole thing...

You sound ridiculously ignorant. Like the kind of person who would think black ppl are dirty because their skin is dark. Ew!

It IS less clean, that’s not debatable. Uncircumcised penises are more prone to fungus infections STD etc bc harder to keep clean. That’s where the tradition comes from!

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One word: smegma. Ewwww

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the previous replies, but it is cleaner, it is more common - who wants their son to be the one in the locker room getting teased because he looks different? as for pain, COME ON, it's over in 2 seconds. at my son's circumcision, he cried for 10 seconds. it was literally NOTHING and healed so quickly. I find uncircumcised men dirty, as do a lot of women. it's just putting your son in a position where his peers and lovers may question the whole thing...

Wow. You know most men outside the US are not circumcised, and have no trouble finding sex partners. You might not want to blazon your shocking insularity abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the previous replies, but it is cleaner, it is more common - who wants their son to be the one in the locker room getting teased because he looks different? as for pain, COME ON, it's over in 2 seconds. at my son's circumcision, he cried for 10 seconds. it was literally NOTHING and healed so quickly. I find uncircumcised men dirty, as do a lot of women. it's just putting your son in a position where his peers and lovers may question the whole thing...

You sound ridiculously ignorant. Like the kind of person who would think black ppl are dirty because their skin is dark. Ew!

It IS less clean, that’s not debatable. Uncircumcised penises are more prone to fungus infections STD etc bc harder to keep clean. That’s where the tradition comes from!

We no longer live in the dessert without water.

Do you plan to eventually use Q-tips to clean your boy's ears? And later even teach him how to properly clean his own ears?

Just checking!

[Anonymous]

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You can't simultaneously claim it's NBD for babies -- especially without anesthesia -- and then make a huge deal about how difficult and impossible it is for adult men. Pick a lane.

This!

Exactly! I’m very protective against unnecessary (painful!) medical procedures for my baby.

When that baby grows up to be a man it will be his decision to undergo painful procedures, be it tattoos, piercings or genital mutilation. Why do you feel entitled to make those decisions for your sons?

Because we are his parents.