Teachers who never visited VA historic places

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Anonymous wrote:I was at Jamestown over the weekend with my kids. We thought a Williamsburg trip for a couple days would be fun and we went to Jamestown for a few hours. It's fascinating if you've never been. It only took 2 hrs/25 mins to get there, so you could easily go up and back in a day. It cost about $40 for my whole family to get in.

I'm actually with OP. I'd be surprised if a history teacher that lives in this area has not been to Jamestown. It's significant to U.S. history, not just Virginia history. I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Plus, children learn better from teachers who are both informed and excited by the subject matter. And hands on projects and field trips make the subject matter "stick" for kids.

Sure you were, OP.

I'm not the OP. My inlaws got a deal on a condo for the week so we made a side trip. It was fun and educational. And I'm not even a teacher...just someone out there who actually likes to learn something once in a while.

The above poster is not OP. I am OP. Hey, there are other key historic places to visit in VA, not just Jamestown. My mom, who was an ES teacher, put my brothers and I in the car and took us to many exciting places during the day. It is not about asking for reimbursements, it is about intellectual curiosity as the previous poster pointed out.

Now I get it! Your mum couldn't afford to take you and your siblings abroad. Local jaunts were the best she could do. In turn, you valued those experiences and gave them to your children. GREAT!


So why can't you understand that others had different experiences which gave them different interests and values??? I'm truly wondering about the emotional maturity of some people. I don't understand this "I do this. Why can't/don't you? And if you don't that means there's something wrong with you or you are somehow inferior" attitude in anyone past the age of like, 23.

You obviously rush in your interpretations and lack the background knowledge needed. Something's wrong with the posters getting very defensive and aggresive every time teachers get questioned. I repeat: QUESTIONED. It doesn't mean "picking on them"

Guess you haven't been following along:

"unbelieable. can our expectations of good teachers be any lower?"

"It shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Obviously, teaching for them is just a job."

"teachers like that are doing the bare minimum and earn the lowest respect from me"

"I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity."

"it is about intellectual curiosity"

"Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession."

etc.

Those statements reflect the experiences of different parents who have the right to question teachers.

And in doing so, they have revealed their own insecurity. No wonder Americans are at the bottom of the heap in education. So many parents who don't know their a** from their elbow. If Jamestown holds such value for you, take your kids there yourself. Or you can just wait until they go in 4th grade, like all VA students, and they'll probably have a better time if this is their first visit, and they'll be of an age that they can better appreciate the context and absorb the information (like hell Im talking to my K student about cannibalism).

I'm not a teacher, but I also don't hold my children's teachers to an unreasonable standard, or one that makes no sense. Whether or not a teacher has personally visited Jamestown or Williamsburg or Antietam or any other place has no bearing on their efficacy as a teacher, nor is it an indication of a lack of intellectual curiosity. Clearly the schools need to be doing a better job of teaching logic and reasoning.

Like it or not, there are educated parents who question teachers nowadays (again, not all teachers). What is the logic of putting a whole class of 3rd graders to watch a video for 30 minutes every day? Educated parents do appreciate teachers who make the effort to teach explicitly. I still have great respect for two ES teachers who went above and beyond transmitting their passion for learning.
Just last week, a sub teacher surprised one of my kids when she shared her experience at Monticello. I can guarantee she made a difference just by doing that.

I'm sure the kids would've been even more impressed hearing a teacher share about the Eiffel Tower, Mona Lisa, Great Wall of China and Egyptian pyramids.

Parents can take their children to wherever they want to on their own time. And teachers can do the same.

And let's be honest, American history is nothing to be proud of. It's full of stealing and enslavement. Many people have personal aversions to the history of this country that prevent them from wanting to see the sites.

I'm sorry your teacher mother couldn't afford to take you out of Va. Maybe if she had, you'd be much more open-minded.

You really come across as the typical Virginian who's never been anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:The real issue is not if a teacher has never visited Jamestown or other sites specifically but if a teacher does not find those places relevant.

A child seeing Jamestown or the battlefields etc is far different than reading about it. Like a science experiment or working with animals.

But OP wasn't talking about whether the teacher is taking his/her students to these places (which is not up to an individual teacher, but up to the school, and likely dependent on PTA funds, because charter buses are $$$$$$), or whether teacher finds them relevant. OP is complaining that the teacher didn't visit these places on his/her own time for his/her own edification, and insinuating that this reveals that the teacher is not a good teacher/not patriotic and/or teacher is not intellectually curious. Which is, of course, absurd. All of this is absurd. I'm done.

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I'm glad you're finally done, because you lack the ability to make a good interpretation. It is absurd that you cannot think clearly when you read. Good luck.

WTF? Did you run out of ways to tear down your kid's teacher so now you are trying to attack PP? Take a look at yourself. You are the one lashing out, making baseless judgements of others. Time for some self-reflection to determine why you are such a jerk to others.

You are the one who needs a whole week of self-reflection and seek therapy for your insecurities. This thread is not about tearing down a teacher personally, it is about finding out why many teachers don't want to visit historic places around town. That is ALL. You are the one attacking with your vulgar vocabulary.
Adieu

New poster here...

First it was just your child's teacher. Now you are claiming that "many" teachers don't want to visit historical places around town. That's simply not accurate. I've been a teacher in the D.C. region since the 1990's, and I have worked with and networked with hundreds of local teachers. They can and do visit historical places within the region. You can rest assured that it happens.

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Anonymous wrote:The real issue is not if a teacher has never visited Jamestown or other sites specifically but if a teacher does not find those places relevant.

A child seeing Jamestown or the battlefields etc is far different than reading about it. Like a science experiment or working with animals.

But OP wasn't talking about whether the teacher is taking his/her students to these places (which is not up to an individual teacher, but up to the school, and likely dependent on PTA funds, because charter buses are $$$$$$), or whether teacher finds them relevant. OP is complaining that the teacher didn't visit these places on his/her own time for his/her own edification, and insinuating that this reveals that the teacher is not a good teacher/not patriotic and/or teacher is not intellectually curious. Which is, of course, absurd. All of this is absurd. I'm done.

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I'm glad you're finally done, because you lack the ability to make a good interpretation. It is absurd that you cannot think clearly when you read. Good luck.

WTF? Did you run out of ways to tear down your kid's teacher so now you are trying to attack PP? Take a look at yourself. You are the one lashing out, making baseless judgements of others. Time for some self-reflection to determine why you are such a jerk to others.

You are the one who needs a whole week of self-reflection and seek therapy for your insecurities. This thread is not about tearing down a teacher personally, it is about finding out why many teachers don't want to visit historic places around town. That is ALL. You are the one attacking with your vulgar vocabulary.
Adieu

New poster here...

First it was just your child's teacher. Now you are claiming that "many" teachers don't want to visit historical places around town. That's simply not accurate. I've been a teacher in the D.C. region since the 1990's, and I have worked with and networked with hundreds of local teachers. They can and do visit historical places within the region. You can rest assured that it happens.

Shhhh...Don't let OP in on our little secret. It's clear she's someone who's never been anywhere so she needs to find ways to feel good about herself. For her, it's finding anything little thing she can that she thinks she has over someone else. Of course teachers take advantage of the local sites--tons and tons and tons of them. But if she needs to believe she's got that over the average educated person, please, let's let her have it. OP doesn't seem as if she has much joy in her life.

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Anonymous wrote:The real issue is not if a teacher has never visited Jamestown or other sites specifically but if a teacher does not find those places relevant.

A child seeing Jamestown or the battlefields etc is far different than reading about it. Like a science experiment or working with animals.

But OP wasn't talking about whether the teacher is taking his/her students to these places (which is not up to an individual teacher, but up to the school, and likely dependent on PTA funds, because charter buses are $$$$$$), or whether teacher finds them relevant. OP is complaining that the teacher didn't visit these places on his/her own time for his/her own edification, and insinuating that this reveals that the teacher is not a good teacher/not patriotic and/or teacher is not intellectually curious. Which is, of course, absurd. All of this is absurd. I'm done.

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I'm glad you're finally done, because you lack the ability to make a good interpretation. It is absurd that you cannot think clearly when you read. Good luck.

WTF? Did you run out of ways to tear down your kid's teacher so now you are trying to attack PP? Take a look at yourself. You are the one lashing out, making baseless judgements of others. Time for some self-reflection to determine why you are such a jerk to others.

You are the one who needs a whole week of self-reflection and seek therapy for your insecurities. This thread is not about tearing down a teacher personally, it is about finding out why many teachers don't want to visit historic places around town. That is ALL. You are the one attacking with your vulgar vocabulary.
Adieu

New poster here...

First it was just your child's teacher. Now you are claiming that "many" teachers don't want to visit historical places around town. That's simply not

accurate. I've been a teacher in the D.C. region since the 1990's, and I have worked with and networked with hundreds of local teachers. They can and do visit historical places within the region. You can rest assured that it happens.

Shhhh...Don't let OP in on our little secret. It's clear she's someone who's never been anywhere so she needs to find ways to feel good about herself. For her, it's finding anything little thing she can that she thinks she has over someone else. Of course teachers take advantage of the local sites--tons and tons and tons of them. But if she needs to believe she's got that over the average educated person, please, let's let her have it. OP doesn't seem as if she has much joy in her life.

Not OP, but I honestly thing you need to grow up and let a mature person take your teacher job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real issue is not if a teacher has never visited Jamestown or other sites specifically but if a teacher does not find those places relevant.

A child seeing Jamestown or the battlefields etc is far different than reading about it. Like a science experiment or working with animals.

But OP wasn't talking about whether the teacher is taking his/her students to these places (which is not up to an individual teacher, but up to the school, and likely dependent on PTA funds, because charter buses are $$$$$$), or whether teacher finds them relevant. OP is complaining that the teacher didn't visit these places on his/her own time for his/her own edification, and insinuating that this reveals that the teacher is not a good teacher/not patriotic and/or teacher is not intellectually curious. Which is, of course, absurd. All of this is absurd. I'm done.

+1

I'm glad you're finally done, because you lack the ability to make a good interpretation. It is absurd that you cannot think clearly when you read. Good luck.

WTF? Did you run out of ways to tear down your kid's teacher so now you are trying to attack PP? Take a look at yourself. You are the one lashing out, making baseless judgements of others. Time for some self-reflection to determine why you are such a jerk to others.

You are the one who needs a whole week of self-reflection and seek therapy for your insecurities. This thread is not about tearing down a teacher personally, it is about finding out why many teachers don't want to visit historic places around town. That is ALL. You are the one attacking with your vulgar vocabulary.
Adieu

New poster here...

First it was just your child's teacher. Now you are claiming that "many" teachers don't want to visit historical places around town. That's simply not

accurate. I've been a teacher in the D.C. region since the 1990's, and I have worked with and networked with hundreds of local teachers. They can and do visit historical places within the region. You can rest assured that it happens.

Shhhh...Don't let OP in on our little secret. It's clear she's someone who's never been anywhere so she needs to find ways to feel good about herself. For her, it's finding anything little thing she can that she thinks she has over someone else. Of course teachers take advantage of the local sites--tons and tons and tons of them. But if she needs to believe she's got that over the average educated person, please, let's let her have it. OP doesn't seem as if she has much joy in her life.

Not OP, but I honestly thing you need to grow up and let a mature person take your teacher job.

You may or may not be OP but you certainly sound as UNHINGED, judgmental, presumptuous and unhappy as she does.

You clearly have mental issues.

[Anonymous]

A week later and I see the Eurocentric weirdos are still mad about stuff

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Anonymous wrote:A week later and I see the Eurocentric weirdos are still mad about stuff

Wrong thread, dude. This one is where you rag on teachers for no good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:A week later and I see the Eurocentric weirdos are still mad about stuff

Wrong thread, dude. This one is where you rag on teachers for no good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:A week later and I see the Eurocentric weirdos are still mad about stuff

Wrong thread, dude. This one is where you rag on teachers for no good reason.

Oh I thought they/we were getting ragged on for not thinking that Europeans coming to America was the beginning of history and thus required a pilgrimage. I see it's expanded beyond that.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at Jamestown over the weekend with my kids. We thought a Williamsburg trip for a couple days would be fun and we went to Jamestown for a few hours. It's fascinating if you've never been. It only took 2 hrs/25 mins to get there, so you could easily go up and back in a day. It cost about $40 for my whole family to get in.

I'm actually with OP. I'd be surprised if a history teacher that lives in this area has not been to Jamestown. It's significant to U.S. history, not just Virginia history. I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Plus, children learn better from teachers who are both informed and excited by the subject matter. And hands on projects and field trips make the subject matter "stick" for kids.

Sure you were, OP.

I'm not the OP. My inlaws got a deal on a condo for the week so we made a side trip. It was fun and educational. And I'm not even a teacher...just someone out there who actually likes to learn something once in a while.

The above poster is not OP. I am OP. Hey, there are other key historic places to visit in VA, not just Jamestown. My mom, who was an ES teacher, put my brothers and I in the car and took us to many exciting places during the day. It is not about asking for reimbursements, it is about intellectual curiosity as the previous poster pointed out.

Now I get it! Your mum couldn't afford to take you and your siblings abroad. Local jaunts were the best she could do. In turn, you valued those experiences and gave them to your children. GREAT!


So why can't you understand that others had different experiences which gave them different interests and values??? I'm truly wondering about the emotional maturity of some people. I don't understand this "I do this. Why can't/don't you? And if you don't that means there's something wrong with you or you are somehow inferior" attitude in anyone past the age of like, 23.

You obviously rush in your interpretations and lack the background knowledge needed. Something's wrong with the posters getting very defensive and aggresive every time teachers get questioned. I repeat: QUESTIONED. It doesn't mean "picking on them"

Guess you haven't been following along:

"unbelieable. can our expectations of good teachers be any lower?"

"It shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Obviously, teaching for them is just a job."

"teachers like that are doing the bare minimum and earn the lowest respect from me"

"I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity."

"it is about intellectual curiosity"

"Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession."

etc.

Those statements reflect the experiences of different parents who have the right to question teachers.

And in doing so, they have revealed their own insecurity. No wonder Americans are at the bottom of the heap in education. So many parents who don't know their a** from their elbow. If Jamestown holds such value for you, take your kids there yourself. Or you can just wait until they go in 4th grade, like all VA students, and they'll probably have a better time if this is their first visit, and they'll be of an age that they can better appreciate the context and absorb the information (like hell Im talking to my K student about cannibalism).

I'm not a teacher, but I also don't hold my children's teachers to an unreasonable standard, or one that makes no sense. Whether or not a teacher has personally visited Jamestown or Williamsburg or Antietam or any other place has no bearing on their efficacy as a teacher, nor is it an indication of a lack of intellectual curiosity. Clearly the schools need to be doing a better job of teaching logic and reasoning.

Like it or not, there are educated parents who question teachers nowadays (again, not all teachers). What is the logic of putting a whole class of 3rd graders to watch a video for 30 minutes every day? Educated parents do appreciate teachers who make the effort to teach explicitly. I still have great respect for two ES teachers who went above and beyond transmitting their passion for learning.
Just last week, a sub teacher surprised one of my kids when she shared her experience at Monticello. I can guarantee she made a difference just by doing that.

I'm sure the kids would've been even more impressed hearing a teacher share about the Eiffel Tower, Mona Lisa, Great Wall of China and Egyptian pyramids.

Parents can take their children to wherever they want to on their own time. And teachers can do the same.

And let's be honest, American history is nothing to be proud of. It's full of stealing and enslavement. Many people have personal aversions to the history of this country that prevent them from wanting to see the sites.

I'm sorry your teacher mother couldn't afford to take you out of Va. Maybe if she had, you'd be much more open-minded.

You really come across as the typical Virginian who's never been anywhere.

And European history is something hot to boast about? This is the continent that gave us an mperialism, racism, two devastating world wars not to mention the Holocaust. Britain was built on the ground exploitation of its colonial subjects. Ditto France. And cute little Belgium is responsible for the deaths of more human beings than Adolf Hitler.

[Anonymous]

True story, PP. European history is rife with murderous religions, the entire system of royalty - but it's so important for teachers to be the people who impart those learnings to our students. I do take my kids to Jamestown, Williamsburg, Manassas, etc. But trained teachers need to give their perspective and indicate how it impacts the day's lesson.
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European history is something hot to boast about? This is the continent that gave us an mperialism, racism, two devastating world wars not to mention the Holocaust. Britain was built on the ground exploitation of its colonial subjects. Ditto France. And cute little Belgium is responsible for the deaths of more human beings than Adolf Hitler.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher and have been following this for fun this week. How are so many of you this worked up over OP's post? I can't image any teacher caring.

For the record, I teach math and have not been to Jamestown. I am not interested in visiting Jamestown. I've visited quite a few historic places in Virginia but that is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher and have been following this for fun this week. How are so many of you this worked up over OP's post? I can't image any teacher caring.

For the record, I teach math and have not been to Jamestown. I am not interested in visiting Jamestown. I've visited quite a few historic places in Virginia but that is not one of them.

Me again. I was looking at some replies and it's humorous how strongly many of you feel that teachers should spend their summers touring Virginia. We travel. A lot. We have been to many countries and to many places in the US. Sorry, Jamestown still isn't on the list for this year.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at Jamestown over the weekend with my kids. We thought a Williamsburg trip for a couple days would be fun and we went to Jamestown for a few hours. It's fascinating if you've never been. It only took 2 hrs/25 mins to get there, so you could easily go up and back in a day. It cost about $40 for my whole family to get in.

I'm actually with OP. I'd be surprised if a history teacher that lives in this area has not been to Jamestown. It's significant to U.S. history, not just Virginia history. I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Plus, children learn better from teachers who are both informed and excited by the subject matter. And hands on projects and field trips make the subject matter "stick" for kids.

Sure you were, OP.

I'm not the OP. My inlaws got a deal on a condo for the week so we made a side trip. It was fun and educational. And I'm not even a teacher...just someone out there who actually likes to learn something once in a while.

The above poster is not OP. I am OP. Hey, there are other key historic places to visit in VA, not just Jamestown. My mom, who was an ES teacher, put my brothers and I in the car and took us to many exciting places during the day. It is not about asking for reimbursements, it is about intellectual curiosity as the previous poster pointed out.

Now I get it! Your mum couldn't afford to take you and your siblings abroad. Local jaunts were the best she could do. In turn, you valued those experiences and gave them to your children. GREAT!


So why can't you understand that others had different experiences which gave them different interests and values??? I'm truly wondering about the emotional maturity of some people. I don't understand this "I do this. Why can't/don't you? And if you don't that means there's something wrong with you or you are somehow inferior" attitude in anyone past the age of like, 23.

You obviously rush in your interpretations and lack the background knowledge needed. Something's wrong with the posters getting very defensive and aggresive every time teachers get questioned. I repeat: QUESTIONED. It doesn't mean "picking on them"

Guess you haven't been following along:

"unbelieable. can our expectations of good teachers be any lower?"

"It shows a lack of intellectual curiosity. Obviously, teaching for them is just a job."

"teachers like that are doing the bare minimum and earn the lowest respect from me"

"I do think it shows a lack of intellectual curiosity."

"it is about intellectual curiosity"

"Kids appreciate when their teachers transmit a passion for learning and making efforts to learn good stuff every day. If teaching is not your passion and you're asking someone else to be your constant fundraiser...you need to part ways with the profession."

etc.

Those statements reflect the experiences of different parents who have the right to question teachers.

And in doing so, they have revealed their own insecurity. No wonder Americans are at the bottom of the heap in education. So many parents who don't know their a** from their elbow. If Jamestown holds such value for you, take your kids there yourself. Or you can just wait until they go in 4th grade, like all VA students, and they'll probably have a better time if this is their first visit, and they'll be of an age that they can better appreciate the context and absorb the information (like hell Im talking to my K student about cannibalism).

I'm not a teacher, but I also don't hold my children's teachers to an unreasonable standard, or one that makes no sense. Whether or not a teacher has personally visited Jamestown or Williamsburg or Antietam or any other place has no bearing on their efficacy as a teacher, nor is it an indication of a lack of intellectual curiosity. Clearly the schools need to be doing a better job of teaching logic and reasoning.

Like it or not, there are educated parents who question teachers nowadays (again, not all teachers). What is the logic of putting a whole class of 3rd graders to watch a video for 30 minutes every day? Educated parents do appreciate teachers who make the effort to teach explicitly. I still have great respect for two ES teachers who went above and beyond transmitting their passion for learning.
Just last week, a sub teacher surprised one of my kids when she shared her experience at Monticello. I can guarantee she made a difference just by doing that.

I'm sure the kids would've been even more impressed hearing a teacher share about the Eiffel Tower, Mona Lisa, Great Wall of China and Egyptian pyramids.

Parents can take their children to wherever they want to on their own time. And teachers can do the same.

And let's be honest, American history is nothing to be proud of. It's full of stealing and enslavement. Many people have personal aversions to the history of this country that prevent them from wanting to see the sites.

I'm sorry your teacher mother couldn't afford to take you out of Va. Maybe if she had, you'd be much more open-minded.

You really come across as the typical Virginian who's never been anywhere.

And European history is something hot to boast about? This is the continent that gave us an mperialism, racism, two devastating world wars not to mention the Holocaust. Britain was built on the ground exploitation of its colonial subjects. Ditto France. And cute little Belgium is responsible for the deaths of more human beings than Adolf Hitler.

+1. Human history in general is messy. Wars, conquering, etc makes up a lot of it, with some neat inventions and noble figures sprinkled in. I'd slap argue that one doesn't need to think a piece of history was great or even good to want/need to visit a site and learn something.

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Please stop this idiotic conversation. NONE of the teachers in third world countries visit any place, but teach the kids about ancient world, history, geography and other things. Why the heck it is expected for the teachers to go visit any place however historic on their dime? If the parent is so keen to have the teachers visit all the places, to have his kids taught, he can set up a fund and take the teachers around the world.