Crazy to move from BCC cluster ES to Janney/Deal/Wilson for schools?

Anonymous
Wilson is amazing, as PP says. People who speak ill o fit usually know nothing about what the school offers. Deal is big, but the drama about it on DCUM is a tad overblown, and the academics are respected by any private high school you may want to attend (getting in is another matter, which is true of anyone). The feeder ES are great, and if I were to choose one today, my top picks would be Murch and Mann.
Anonymous
We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



Right, but that makes sense because DC has a lot more kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. But if you make apples to apples comparisons, you'll see similar performance--for example, for white (presumably affluent) students in both groups.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



That's too scary to be true.

Are those stats real?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



Right, but that makes sense because DC has a lot more kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. But if you make apples to apples comparisons, you'll see similar performance--for example, for white (presumably affluent) students in both groups.


Also, check p. 2 of this thread--apparently white 4th and 8th grade students in DC have the best math and reading scores in the country.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



That's too scary to be true.

Are those stats real?


No, Niche data are not up to date.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



Right, but that makes sense because DC has a lot more kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. But if you make apples to apples comparisons, you'll see similar performance--for example, for white (presumably affluent) students in both groups.


I hate when people say things like this. It's as if the students of color don't matter. BCC is plenty diverse but manages to serve students other than the white ones. If Wilson is truly a "great school," it should be excelling in educating a broader swath of students, not just the rich white ones.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



Right, but that makes sense because DC has a lot more kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. But if you make apples to apples comparisons, you'll see similar performance--for example, for white (presumably affluent) students in both groups.


Also, check p. 2 of this thread--apparently white 4th and 8th grade students in DC have the best math and reading scores in the country.


So if your kid isn't white, they should go to BCC?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



That's too scary to be true.

Are those stats real?


This is the most recent data DCPS reported to the Department of Education. That's where Niche gets them.
Anonymous
BCC parent here who's very happy with her kids' education and related opportunities at the school. There are something like 100 clubs and a parent foundation that raises a couple of hundred thousand dollars each year to enhance the programming and education. I wouldn't swap that Wilson under any circumstances -- probably wouldn't swap for Whitman or any of the other sought-after MCPS HS either for that matter. I teach at the university level and I agree that well-off kids typically do well whereever they're planted. But to suggest that DCPS is a better education than MCPS is really divorced from reality.

I have friends in NWDC who've done both public and private, and I don't know anyone who regrets their choices. But I think a mom of toddlers who's considering moving because she is freaked out about MCPS elementary schools in one of the wealthiest parts of the county has spent way too much time reading the nonsense on DCUM.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We moved from DC to BCC because the middle school and high schools are so much stronger for the general population. These are not small differences in basic proficiency standards. We didn't want to feel pressured to pay for 2 kids in private high school.

BCC
https://www.niche.com/k12/bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-bethesda-md/
Percent Proficient - Reading-88%
Percent Proficient - Math-92%
Average SAT 1290

Wilson
https://www.niche.com/k12/woodrow-wilson-high-school-washington-dc/
Percent Proficient - Reading-21%
Percent Proficient - Math-19%
Average SAT 1150



Right, but that makes sense because DC has a lot more kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. But if you make apples to apples comparisons, you'll see similar performance--for example, for white (presumably affluent) students in both groups.


I hate when people say things like this. It's as if the students of color don't matter. BCC is plenty diverse but manages to serve students other than the white ones. If Wilson is truly a "great school," it should be excelling in educating a broader swath of students, not just the rich white ones.


PP here. I absolutely agree with you on this point, although this is somewhat of a separate discussion. To the extent that white race is a reliable proxy for kids from affluent, educated families, white kids are doing comparably (better?) in DC relative to Bethesda. There have been other threads about this where a data person compared scores for Bethesda vs. DC schools for white kids, and found that white kids did as well or better in DC relative to Bethesda.

As for kids who are not white, I'm not sure how the schools compare. There tend to be large disparities between white/Asian and black/Latino scores in all school systems, so I'd expect one at BCC too (although probably not as pronounced, given the higher SES of kids in the BCC area).

I assume most posters here are white (I'm not), and are concerned about their kids going to schools with lower average test scores than in the burbs. However, the test scores broken down by demographics suggest that this doesn't really affect their children's academic achievement. I'd be more concerned about Wilson if a POC family, but not for white families.
Anonymous
Wow, this thread is eye opening. So the snobs in upper NW feel like they're not snobs because the snobs in MoCo are much bigger snobs. Now I get it! Upper NW feel like they're rough and toughing it out in the big bad city, compared to MoCo. This is hilarious.

Us poor EOTP-ers must really look pretty dumb and poor over here. Lol.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just me, but as the parent of a young elementary kid and a middle school kid in the BCC catchment, there's no way on earth I'd make this move unless I was capable of paying for private and prepared for the rat race and uncertainty of applying to privates. I know there are loads of legitimate complaints about MCPS, and I agree with many of them. But I work in DC, have many friends and colleagues with kids at Deal and Wilson, and there's simply no comparison with Westland / BCC.

Please understand that this is not an uneducated smear or knock on those schools. I genuinely believe that a smart, well-motivated, well-supported, amazing student can do wonderfully in either school. But I know a few too many first-hand stories about kids who are a lot like mine - good kids, reasonably smart, but not rock star academics, from super engaged families - who wound up having a really rough time in even the best DCPS schools. Mostly just usual rough time, but a few kids who really crashed and burned in ways that are going to be tough to rebound from.

OP, you need to do a lot more due diligence if you're going to make this move. Packing your family up and selling your house because Open House day was a disappointment (yes, it always is, especially for parents of first graders!) is just silly.


Sorry, but this really is an uneducated smear against Deal and Wilson. The post doesn't address:

- why the kids had a hard time
- how they "crashed and burned"
- and whether this had ANYTHING to do with the school, or was it just typical teenage stuff.

OP - try not to believe inconclusive, subjective bullshit like this. PP is a moron to write this garbage. We have kids at a JKLM, Deal, and Wilson, and all are thriving. You will have a great experience at any NW DC elementary school. One thing I can tell you about class size in elementary, if the class gets too big, they add another class.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am someone who made this choice -- moved from the Westland feeder neighborhood to a deal feeder. I am thrilled I did. Our school has smaller class sizes, isn't under thread of tons of new construction and, frankly, the PARCC scores beat the pants off Westbrook/BE/Wood Acres etc.

I think Wilson may be the weakest part of this chain, I think it can be highly successful for many kids. My kids are also young, so we have lots of time to worry about HS.

There will be a lot of posters who will come one here and blindly state that DCPS can never get near MCPS-- but they are remembering two systems from 10+ years ago. Things have changed considerably on both sides of Western Ave.


Wait, no this is US!!! We rented for 10+ years in Burning Tree ES and then moved into feeder/Deal/Wilson. My kids are older and have 2 at Wilson now. We haven't looked back. I grew up in Bethesda and my parents plus siblings (with kids) all live in Whitman or BCC area. I would say that my kids are having almost the exact same education as my nieces and nephews. Yes, Wilson is a bit rougher around the edges but my kids are doing just fine.


They also have a better shot at selective colleges...

-- PP, your doppleganger.


I went to an Ivy and the kids from Wilson and other DCPS struggled compared to the kids from DC privates and suburban publics. It was very obvious they were not used to the stronger peer groups.


I'm glad you went to an Ivy. Clearly it was a giant waste of money because you still sound like an idiot even with your Ivy degree.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Janney and Deal are great schools. Wilson? The jury is still out.


What does that even mean? Are you on the jury?
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