residency cheater in Janney PK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the PP who said I was going to start checking. Kids at Stuart Hobson getting picked up right now (aftercare maybe)? 11 cars waiting to pickup. 7 Maryland tags. Absurd.

Why would someone from Maryland want to send his/her kid to SH? I visited a class there to teach about the Constitution, and it was utter chaos. I would be horrified if my kids were there.

Because Stuart Hobson is better than the schools in PG county to which these children are zoned.

How do you know? PGPS has some gems as well. In addition, For the High SES families, they can obtain a far superior education than SH would provide for as little as 7k.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

I don't think it's stupid -- rather, I think there are a substantial number of people who feel entitled enough to say something like "check your privilege" while they think it's OK for the ostensibly "unprivileged" ones to cheat the rest of us who understand that abiding by the law is a civic duty. They may not have a "privileged" mindset, but they have an "entitled" one, due to their perception of those "other" peoples' status in life. In fact, the REAL CRIME -- and it's ridiculous for me to be writing this, but it's accurate -- is breaking the law. It's not stupid, but it IS criminal. These cheaters are smart enough to stop doing it once there's any strong likelihood of getting caught. DCPS is an enabler in all of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm...let's do this instead: take your highly paid wrath and organize the highly paid parents around you to subsidize some apartments that are actually affordable in the Janney boundary for those making less than $48,000 per year.

Here's the deal: DC has a real affordable housing problem. We have children living in shelters because their parents can't pay the rent even though 80% of them work. So then poor people move to the suburbs but still want to use city services. Clearly you have some free time on your hands. Use this time to work on the real problem: poor folks who can't afford day care also can't afford to live in DC, while those of us who can afford day care are getting free day care while living in our expensive homes.

Shift the problem on its head: support fair wages and mixed income housing to welcome back some who were pushed out to undesirable suburbs over the past 15 years. Then you will see the Maryland plates turn back into DC plates.

But, if they live in the suburbs, why don't they want to use suburban services? I live in PG county. We have schools out here. My kids go to one and they are very happy. There isn't really any reason for someone from MD to use a school in DC. They live in MD and pay taxes in MD and can go to school in MD. I don't understand the argument that they have to use DC schools because they have no other option. DC services are really not any better than the services available where they actually live.

This isn't exactly true. My kids go to DCPS and I've done extensive research throughout PGCPS schools. While some PGCPS schools are just fine, there are others that are truly horrific. In addition, the per-pupil expenditure for PGCPS is exceptionally low leading to overcrowding and lack of basic services in some schools. Basically, these families are going because they get free PS-3 or PK-4 and full-day kindergarten (which has traditionally not been provided by PGCPS). In addition, aftercare is either very inexpensive or free. Title I services for PGCPS schools are limited to an exceptionally small number of schools compared to DCPS where a community model has been put in place. Finally, if the parents work in DC they can pick the kids up 30 to 45 minutes earlier than they could if they had the kids in their home school.

Janney doesn't have PS3 and it's difficult to get into a PK 4 without sibling preference, so thats not relevant to this thread. Also, DC only recently started universal PS3. this MD cheating argument has come up every year on DCUM, and I have been reading it for five years. It will come up again this time next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm...let's do this instead: take your highly paid wrath and organize the highly paid parents around you to subsidize some apartments that are actually affordable in the Janney boundary for those making less than $48,000 per year.

Here's the deal: DC has a real affordable housing problem. We have children living in shelters because their parents can't pay the rent even though 80% of them work. So then poor people move to the suburbs but still want to use city services. Clearly you have some free time on your hands. Use this time to work on the real problem: poor folks who can't afford day care also can't afford to live in DC, while those of us who can afford day care are getting free day care while living in our expensive homes.

Shift the problem on its head: support fair wages and mixed income housing to welcome back some who were pushed out to undesirable suburbs over the past 15 years. Then you will see the Maryland plates turn back into DC plates.

But, if they live in the suburbs, why don't they want to use suburban services? I live in PG county. We have schools out here. My kids go to one and they are very happy. There isn't really any reason for someone from MD to use a school in DC. They live in MD and pay taxes in MD and can go to school in MD. I don't understand the argument that they have to use DC schools because they have no other option. DC services are really not any better than the services available where they actually live.

This isn't exactly true. My kids go to DCPS and I've done extensive research throughout PGCPS schools. While some PGCPS schools are just fine, there are others that are truly horrific. In addition, the per-pupil expenditure for PGCPS is exceptionally low leading to overcrowding and lack of basic services in some schools. Basically, these families are going because they get free PS-3 or PK-4 and full-day kindergarten (which has traditionally not been provided by PGCPS). In addition, aftercare is either very inexpensive or free. Title I services for PGCPS schools are limited to an exceptionally small number of schools compared to DCPS where a community model has been put in place. Finally, if the parents work in DC they can pick the kids up 30 to 45 minutes earlier than they could if they had the kids in their home school.

Janney doesn't have PS3 and it's difficult to get into a PK 4 without sibling preference, so thats not relevant to this thread. Also, DC only recently started universal PS3. this MD cheating argument has come up every year on DCUM, and I have been reading it for five years. It will come up again this time next year.

If you saw a guy drop a $100 bill, would you hurry to return it to him, or would you want to know his net worth first?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the PP who said I was going to start checking. Kids at Stuart Hobson getting picked up right now (aftercare maybe)? 11 cars waiting to pickup. 7 Maryland tags. Absurd.

Why would someone from Maryland want to send his/her kid to SH? I visited a class there to teach about the Constitution, and it was utter chaos. I would be horrified if my kids were there.

Because Stuart Hobson is better than the schools in PG county to which these children are zoned.

How do you know? PGPS has some gems as well. In addition, For the High SES families, they can obtain a far superior education than SH would provide for as little as 7k.

And some real doozies, too. There are no high SES families sending their children to SH from MD so I imagine free is a lot better than $7,000. Plus, grandma our auntie might be available for aftercare. Logistics frequently plays a hand in these families' decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the PP who said I was going to start checking. Kids at Stuart Hobson getting picked up right now (aftercare maybe)? 11 cars waiting to pickup. 7 Maryland tags. Absurd.

Why would someone from Maryland want to send his/her kid to SH? I visited a class there to teach about the Constitution, and it was utter chaos. I would be horrified if my kids were there.

I assume it's either that (1) the school they are zoned for is worse, or (2) the aftercare is cheap and it works better for their commute.

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Before Brent got to be the "it" school, it was probably 50% Marylanders. This was back in the 1990s. People who worked in DC would swing by, drop off their kids and go on to work. It was very convenient and that's why people did it. It would be the same with Stuart Hobson.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm...let's do this instead: take your highly paid wrath and organize the highly paid parents around you to subsidize some apartments that are actually affordable in the Janney boundary for those making less than $48,000 per year.

Here's the deal: DC has a real affordable housing problem. We have children living in shelters because their parents can't pay the rent even though 80% of them work. So then poor people move to the suburbs but still want to use city services. Clearly you have some free time on your hands. Use this time to work on the real problem: poor folks who can't afford day care also can't afford to live in DC, while those of us who can afford day care are getting free day care while living in our expensive homes.

Shift the problem on its head: support fair wages and mixed income housing to welcome back some who were pushed out to undesirable suburbs over the past 15 years. Then you will see the Maryland plates turn back into DC plates.

But, if they live in the suburbs, why don't they want to use suburban services? I live in PG county. We have schools out here. My kids go to one and they are very happy. There isn't really any reason for someone from MD to use a school in DC. They live in MD and pay taxes in MD and can go to school in MD. I don't understand the argument that they have to use DC schools because they have no other option. DC services are really not any better than the services available where they actually live.

This isn't exactly true. My kids go to DCPS and I've done extensive research throughout PGCPS schools. While some PGCPS schools are just fine, there are others that are truly horrific. In addition, the per-pupil expenditure for PGCPS is exceptionally low leading to overcrowding and lack of basic services in some schools. Basically, these families are going because they get free PS-3 or PK-4 and full-day kindergarten (which has traditionally not been provided by PGCPS). In addition, aftercare is either very inexpensive or free. Title I services for PGCPS schools are limited to an exceptionally small number of schools compared to DCPS where a community model has been put in place. Finally, if the parents work in DC they can pick the kids up 30 to 45 minutes earlier than they could if they had the kids in their home school.

Janney doesn't have PS3 and it's difficult to get into a PK 4 without sibling preference, so thats not relevant to this thread. Also, DC only recently started universal PS3. this MD cheating argument has come up every year on DCUM, and I have been reading it for five years. It will come up again this time next year.

I think the discussion had expanded to encompass residency cheating in general. While there may be one rogue cheat at Janney there are many in other schools and PK 4 has been in existence for years. I also reference my point about full day K and low-cost before and aftercare. Thus the conditions I outlined in my previous post stand. You may think that PGCPS is better than DCPS but, in reality, you're largely educating the same SES profile (at least down county). Ward nine, baby.

[Anonymous]

The other issue is the horrible message/example for the kids of cheaters when they see their parents doing it. Talk about ruining the next generation's ethic -- they're going to be fired from their first job right out of the gate!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

You know what else is "just stupid!"? The original post of this thread. OP states that there is a family that is lying, claiming to live somewhere they don't live and that an internet search indicates that those people live elsewhere in DC/MD and then, despite the continual chatter that this topic generates every 5 minutes, she says "What to do?" as though she was not aware that what you do is call the hotline, which can be found pretty easily.

I wonder how the OP knows because I am actually one of those cases in which people seeing me dropping DD off at school might suspect me of being a cheater. Her dad and I are divorced and legally, we share custody 50/50. We use his address as her official address (which is perfectly legal), and occasionally I drop her off at her DCPS in a car that has Maryland plates (thanks, carpool!). So my reason for wondering how the OP knows is to see if she's just assuming that the family in question is cheating based on criteria that could have other explanations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

You know what else is "just stupid!"? The original post of this thread. OP states that there is a family that is lying, claiming to live somewhere they don't live and that an internet search indicates that those people live elsewhere in DC/MD and then, despite the continual chatter that this topic generates every 5 minutes, she says "What to do?" as though she was not aware that what you do is call the hotline, which can be found pretty easily.

I wonder how the OP knows because I am actually one of those cases in which people seeing me dropping DD off at school might suspect me of being a cheater. Her dad and I are divorced and legally, we share custody 50/50. We use his address as her official address (which is perfectly legal), and occasionally I drop her off at her DCPS in a car that has Maryland plates (thanks, carpool!). So my reason for wondering how the OP knows is to see if she's just assuming that the family in question is cheating based on criteria that could have other explanations.

So you're claiming Dad in DC as the child's primary address, while you have primary custody in MD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

You know what else is "just stupid!"? The original post of this thread. OP states that there is a family that is lying, claiming to live somewhere they don't live and that an internet search indicates that those people live elsewhere in DC/MD and then, despite the continual chatter that this topic generates every 5 minutes, she says "What to do?" as though she was not aware that what you do is call the hotline, which can be found pretty easily.

I wonder how the OP knows because I am actually one of those cases in which people seeing me dropping DD off at school might suspect me of being a cheater. Her dad and I are divorced and legally, we share custody 50/50. We use his address as her official address (which is perfectly legal), and occasionally I drop her off at her DCPS in a car that has Maryland plates (thanks, carpool!). So my reason for wondering how the OP knows is to see if she's just assuming that the family in question is cheating based on criteria that could have other explanations.

So because you're honest, everyone else is? Seriously? There are people with kids in DCPS committing fraud, both MD and DC residents. Bravo that you're not one of them. If you're reported as a potential cheater, where is the harm? You can prove you're not. So why discourage the OP from reporting it. She doesn't have to prove anything. That's the potential cheater's job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

I don't think it's stupid -- rather, I think there are a substantial number of people who feel entitled enough to say something like "check your privilege" while they think it's OK for the ostensibly "unprivileged" ones to cheat the rest of us who understand that abiding by the law is a civic duty. They may not have a "privileged" mindset, but they have an "entitled" one, due to their perception of those "other" peoples' status in life. In fact, the REAL CRIME -- and it's ridiculous for me to be writing this, but it's accurate -- is breaking the law. It's not stupid, but it IS criminal. These cheaters are smart enough to stop doing it once there's any strong likelihood of getting caught. DCPS is an enabler in all of this.

It's particularly troubling if the law breakers are employees of the DC government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

You know what else is "just stupid!"? The original post of this thread. OP states that there is a family that is lying, claiming to live somewhere they don't live and that an internet search indicates that those people live elsewhere in DC/MD and then, despite the continual chatter that this topic generates every 5 minutes, she says "What to do?" as though she was not aware that what you do is call the hotline, which can be found pretty easily.

I wonder how the OP knows because I am actually one of those cases in which people seeing me dropping DD off at school might suspect me of being a cheater. Her dad and I are divorced and legally, we share custody 50/50. We use his address as her official address (which is perfectly legal), and occasionally I drop her off at her DCPS in a car that has Maryland plates (thanks, carpool!). So my reason for wondering how the OP knows is to see if she's just assuming that the family in question is cheating based on criteria that could have other explanations.

So you're claiming Dad in DC as the child's primary address, while you have primary custody in MD?

We both live in DC. We have joint custody. Per my lawyer, neither of us has "primary" custody. She spends exactly the same amount of time at his house as she does at mine. He owns, I rent, we picked his address as the primary one to use. I occasionally carpool with a colleague who drives in from Maryland. After she drops her kid off, my kid gets in her kid's seat and we take her to school. Thus, you have a parent who does not live at the address on file using a car with Maryland plates to drop off a child at a DCPS where the child claimed in bounds preference at that school.

And my point was not that everyone is honest because I am. My point is that many of the people who are bent out of shape about residency cheating would see me dropping off my daughter this morning and wonder if I'd lied about where I lived to get her a place in school. I wasn't discouraging the OP from reporting it, which she apparently plans to do. If the residency office wants to look at our divorce agreement, our housing paperwork and whatever else, they're welcome to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOling that there are 12 pages of people defending cheaters!

Not really. There are 12 pages of people talking about residency cheating. Some people are wondering how the OP knows so much about this family. Some are talking about the many people at their school that they know to be cheating. One person is counting Maryland plates at Stuart-Hobson. My guess is that none of the people who are enraged about cheating and claim to know cheaters have actually reported those people.

What's worse - someone who suggests that people who are perceived to be cheating might actually not be or people who are certain that a person is cheating and doesn't report them?

But why wonder? Who cares how the OP knows what she knows. Suspecting someone of fraud is enough to report them. If they are not guilty of fraud, what's the harm? None! As soon as someone says "but what if..." they are searching for excuses why the OP shouldn't report this, i.e. defending a potential cheater. That's what's so insane about all this. People making excuses for why the potential cheater isn't a cheater and why op shouldn't report it. That's just stupid!

You know what else is "just stupid!"? The original post of this thread. OP states that there is a family that is lying, claiming to live somewhere they don't live and that an internet search indicates that those people live elsewhere in DC/MD and then, despite the continual chatter that this topic generates every 5 minutes, she says "What to do?" as though she was not aware that what you do is call the hotline, which can be found pretty easily.

I wonder how the OP knows because I am actually one of those cases in which people seeing me dropping DD off at school might suspect me of being a cheater. Her dad and I are divorced and legally, we share custody 50/50. We use his address as her official address (which is perfectly legal), and occasionally I drop her off at her DCPS in a car that has Maryland plates (thanks, carpool!). So my reason for wondering how the OP knows is to see if she's just assuming that the family in question is cheating based on criteria that could have other explanations.

So you're claiming Dad in DC as the child's primary address, while you have primary custody in MD?

We both live in DC. We have joint custody. Per my lawyer, neither of us has "primary" custody. She spends exactly the same amount of time at his house as she does at mine. He owns, I rent, we picked his address as the primary one to use. I occasionally carpool with a colleague who drives in from Maryland. After she drops her kid off, my kid gets in her kid's seat and we take her to school. Thus, you have a parent who does not live at the address on file using a car with Maryland plates to drop off a child at a DCPS where the child claimed in bounds preference at that school.

And my point was not that everyone is honest because I am. My point is that many of the people who are bent out of shape about residency cheating would see me dropping off my daughter this morning and wonder if I'd lied about where I lived to get her a place in school. I wasn't discouraging the OP from reporting it, which she apparently plans to do. If the residency office wants to look at our divorce agreement, our housing paperwork and whatever else, they're welcome to do so.

This would be a simple matter to dispose of. But legitimate arrangements should not obscure the fact that there are kids from out of the District who are fraudulently enrolled in DCPS, nor discourage people from flagging cases for DCPS to look into.