We don’t know if there are gods, or a God

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The statement is that believers either:
1) believe innbiblical inerrancy
Or
2) only existence of a god can explain the "cosmos" (that can mean the universe or an orderly and harmonious system or univers, but whatever).

So your universal set of believers consists of groups for which at least one of these statements is
true.

But (1) is a distinct subset of believers. The majority of mainstream protestants and a vast majority of catholics don't consider the bible the literal word of god.

That leaves (2) to take up the slack. But, for example, apatheistic believers don't think a deity is necessary and that natural laws are sufficient to explain the cosmic origin and evolution. These are obviously not in the inerrancy camp.



The simplistic characterization is naive and uninformed.
It hurts your arguments. You can do better.

TLDR - you don't want to follow any of the established tenets of your faith - presumably Christianity - so you've made up your own that you follow.

Like other belief systems, PPP wants you to believe like him because he says so.

Some belief systems are not proselytizing ones. In fact, some dgaf what others believe and have no interest in converting others. Different paths, dude or dudette. Shalom.

Some belief systems don't proselytize, but many do. They gaf what others believe. Shalom.

I presume you are a different PP than the one who wrote "like other belief systems PPP wants you to believe like him"? Or is this just the weave?

Just don't make absolute statements. Leave your weave room from the start.

There is absolutely no God

Do you want me to think like you do or just marking your territory? 🤪

I just love the way one or more of you do those nonresponsive one liners. 🥳

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Which events "cannot be explained"? There may be some gaps in our scientific knowledge, but this is yet another logical fallacy as the god of the gaps.

As to the other part, this is anecdotal fallacy with a little hint of confirmation bias.

Yes, plus religious pp starts out as simply believing in "God" then indicates that it's the CHristian God that they're really talking about. Leading me to assume that that's the only God that religious pp believes in and all other "Gods" (e.g., Jewish, muslim) be damned

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The statement is that believers either:
1) believe innbiblical inerrancy
Or
2) only existence of a god can explain the "cosmos" (that can mean the universe or an orderly and harmonious system or univers, but whatever).

So your universal set of believers consists of groups for which at least one of these statements is
true.

But (1) is a distinct subset of believers. The majority of mainstream protestants and a vast majority of catholics don't consider the bible the literal word of god.

That leaves (2) to take up the slack. But, for example, apatheistic believers don't think a deity is necessary and that natural laws are sufficient to explain the cosmic origin and evolution. These are obviously not in the inerrancy camp.



The simplistic characterization is naive and uninformed.
It hurts your arguments. You can do better.

TLDR - you don't want to follow any of the established tenets of your faith - presumably Christianity - so you've made up your own that you follow.

Like other belief systems, PPP wants you to believe like him because he says so.

Some belief systems are not proselytizing ones. In fact, some dgaf what others believe and have no interest in converting others. Different paths, dude or dudette. Shalom.

Some belief systems don't proselytize, but many do. They gaf what others believe. Shalom.

I presume you are a different PP than the one who wrote "like other belief systems PPP wants you to believe like him"? Or is this just the weave?

Just don't make absolute statements. Leave your weave room from the start.

There is absolutely no God

Do you want me to think like you do or just marking your territory? 🤪

I just love the way one or more of you do those nonresponsive one liners. 🥳

Lke yours, you mean? Or like mine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Which events "cannot be explained"? There may be some gaps in our scientific knowledge, but this is yet another logical fallacy as the god of the gaps.

As to the other part, this is anecdotal fallacy with a little hint of confirmation bias.

Yes, plus religious pp starts out as simply believing in "God" then indicates that it's the CHristian God that they're really talking about. Leading me to assume that that's the only God that religious pp believes in and all other "Gods" (e.g., Jewish, muslim) be damned

Everyone knows there's only one god. There are just different views of Him. God is a Man, of course. He was invented a long time ago when men had superiority over women and people didn't know anything about science.

[Anonymous]

I need a definition of god before I can respond.

[Anonymous]

Start a new thread this one is damn absurd dammit.
🤪😝😜

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I need a definition of god before I can respond.

Define it then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

State what you want but certain things in my life have happened because literally a dozen things occurred in sequence that logically should not have happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

State what you want but certain things in my life have happened because literally a dozen things occurred in sequence that logically should not have happened.

So what? That doesn't mean that there is a God. It means you were lucky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If there were a god children would not die or suffer.

If there were a god, there would be no child molesters in church, which by the way is the number one place that heinous act happens.

Why would you think that?

No faith that believes in a god says there is no human suffering or evil. You are basically inventing your own straw man faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

State what you want but certain things in my life have happened because literally a dozen things occurred in sequence that logically should not have happened.

This has nothing to do with logic. Its pure chance.

Take flipping a coin. It is entirely possible that you could flip 15 heads in a row. The odds are low, but it is still possible.

You are making the error of assuming a prior flipping affects the second one. It doesn't. The odds PER flip are always the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

State what you want but certain things in my life have happened because literally a dozen things occurred in sequence that logically should not have happened.

So God must have done it? Probably a certain God, too, e.g., the Christian God, not the muslim God. After determining that there must be a god, how did you choose which God to worship?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in God for two reasons: there are events that simply cannot be explained by scientific means and there are certain coincidences and "smoothing of the ways" that have occurred in my life where there is just too much lining up to not have a higher power involved. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and was crucified for his beliefs. I honestly cannot tell you that he was resurrected, but if it didn't happen, it doesn't mean to me that his life wasn't of tremendous value and that God doesn't exist.

The above may not be straightforward, but it is what I believe.

Your first 2 claims are flawed by logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

State what you want but certain things in my life have happened because literally a dozen things occurred in sequence that logically should not have happened.

Want to know how I know you did not click the links to learn what the fallacies you committed were?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I need a definition of god before I can respond.

Define it then.

here’s mine: the interconnectedness of life