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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.
Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?
Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?
They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist
You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.
So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?
there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.
Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.
Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.
That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.
NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.
Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.
Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.
Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.
I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.
"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."
Not the PP but it probably had to do with being accused of lying just because the poster was too lazy to do what you did and find it themselves!
It sounded like a bit of a stretch and it's not great that the only mention of this is buried in a footnote in a table in a budget book and it's only mentioned obliquely without a fuller explanation. Of course this is intentional on APS's part because they likely know it would be inflammatory. How is APS deciding which ESL kids even get the HB slot? What is the process? How many are we talking about? And then why drop the clue it's in the budget book and not just provide the info? My question still stands. Why so defensive and not wanting to share information?
It's not the only mention. Not the PP who provided this link, but I also knew about this program, and then some quick googling brought up more than one mention. Why didn't you do that?
NP. I googled. It’s not a lot of info that I can find. General mentions of the program existing. How many slots allotted for these students and how are they selected should be transparent.
Why? I think English language learner records are confidential, just like special ed records are. You wouldn't feel entitled to info about sped kids, or would you?
It’s not asking to see any individual student records. It’s aggregate data which APS presents all the time. How many seats are allotted to the program and what is the process for filling them is not confidential information.
you're weirdly obsessed with this, PP. I wonder why you are so resentful of a program to teach kids english when your own kids obviously don't need it.
Wow, a blatant ad hominem fallacy.
The topic under debate was how neighborhood schools must take English language learners from day 1 as transfers, and how HBW does not get them. You allude to program in the budget which does have a pipeline to skirt the lottery, and people are wondering how it work and how to make sure it isn’t abused. Still not convinced it happens the same way at the neighborhood schools, the budget section is pretty vague and there’s no process or policy documented.
no this was a thread about block scheduling, weirdly you turned it into something it's not. you sound very apey-maga with your "concern" about the "abuse" of a program for brown spanish speaking kids.
My point was that without policy and clear process, nor record of transfers there are two possible outcomes.
1) it’s never used and HBW benefits from no mid year HILT transfers and the 45 min blocks, so again HBW gets special treatment.
2) it could be used to transfer someone not actually eligible as a backdoor, since there is no document process or accountability.
Finally I said topic under debate, not the point of this thread. I am actually the OP of this thread, and approve of this side bar — as I had posted a thread months ago complaining that HBW had 45 min classes while neighborhood schools had the Lucy Calkins (TM) Block Scheduling, a trendy new schedule that only helps to eliminate homework since they burn half of class time doing class work on their own.
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