Georgia Hyundai Plant ICE Raid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ:

“Hyundai and LG Energy each filed a complaint to South Korea’s Foreign Ministry in April and May, asking for help with U.S. visa issues, according to documents obtained by ruling party lawmaker Kim Young-bae. Seoul’s Foreign Ministry said it had reached out to the Trump administration 52 times during his second term to discuss visa issues for Korean businesses.

“Asian companies investing in America have faced trouble in receiving enough work visas for personnel needed to get the U.S. plants running, amid a shortage of skilled American technical workers.”

I am tired of hearing about the shortage of the skilled American worker. Maybe if they reached out 52 times the answer was- you can't bring in almost 500 international workers to assemble a plant with a total of 1500 workers getting the plant ready. Maybe the US government realized they weren't struggling to find skilled workers. They’re struggling to find people willing to work under the pay and conditions they’re offering.

And think logically. If they are admitting they reached out 52 times, then they absolutely realized most of the almost 500 workers were not allowed to work on the entry permit ETSA / B-1 visas. If it was allowed then why would they reach out so many times?

There was once a time when a union job in the automobile industry was the gold standard for the working class in America. Now foreign manufacturers are setting up in "right to work" / anti-union states in the south.

Hyundai was sued by the Labor Department under Biden in 2024 for using underage workers. A Reuters investigation revealed the widespread and illegal employment of migrant children in Alabama factories supplying parts to both Hyundai and sister brand Kia.

Reuters learned of underage workers at Hyundai supplier SMART, in Luverne, Alabama, following the brief disappearance in February 2022 of a Guatemalan migrant child from her family's home in Alabama. The 13-year-old girl and her two brothers, aged 12 and 15 at the time, all worked at the plant in 2022 and were not going to school, according to people familiar with their employment.

At the time, SMART was a Hyundai subsidiary.The Labor Department said that at the time of the alleged violations, SMART's operations were "so integrated" with Hyundai's main manufacturing plant in Montgomery that "the two companies were a single employer for purposes of liability" under U.S. labor law. And that along with the staffing firm, the three companies "jointly employed" the minor.

You do not know what you are posting about. All the Hyundai Korean workers were in this country temporarily and on visas. They are there to assemble, install and get the plant up in running while train US workers. US workers do not have the skills or knowledge base to assemble the machinery and over see the software for these types of plants.

Though that does not matter anymore. These plants and other foreign manufacturing investments in the US will be shut down within a year or two. These raid showed that Trump will not work with foreign investors in the US. Also because of the complexity of the manufacturing process many components ship across the border 3-5 times. It is cheaper to set up a manufacturing plant outside the US, ship to the US and pay the tariff once instead a few 100 times.

It is pay to play, and the South Koreans were not going to pay. Pretty simple.

That's not true, Trump backtracked...and lost.

Trump offered to let detained Korean workers stay in US, but all declined except for one person.
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consu...ack&utm_medium=email

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to but words in anyone's mouth, but I would like to get some clarity you know certainty about what Democrats think would have been the best way to handle this situation, so as to form a clear comparison.

This is the context

Evidently, Hyundai was warned, they had issues a number of times. They had applied and had been denied. They had a history of labor violations, child labor etc.

So, I gather the chamber of commerce's or Democrats plan here would be to look the other way, go out of their way to help them comply, keep it out of the news, cover it up if necessary and hide any malfeasance.

Did I miss anything?

Yup, they had no choice but to round them and treat them like animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ:

“Hyundai and LG Energy each filed a complaint to South Korea’s Foreign Ministry in April and May, asking for help with U.S. visa issues, according to documents obtained by ruling party lawmaker Kim Young-bae. Seoul’s Foreign Ministry said it had reached out to the Trump administration 52 times during his second term to discuss visa issues for Korean businesses.

“Asian companies investing in America have faced trouble in receiving enough work visas for personnel needed to get the U.S. plants running, amid a shortage of skilled American technical workers.”

I am tired of hearing about the shortage of the skilled American worker. Maybe if they reached out 52 times the answer was- you can't bring in almost 500 international workers to assemble a plant with a total of 1500 workers getting the plant ready. Maybe the US government realized they weren't struggling to find skilled workers. They’re struggling to find people willing to work under the pay and conditions they’re offering.

And think logically. If they are admitting they reached out 52 times, then they absolutely realized most of the almost 500 workers were not allowed to work on the entry permit ETSA / B-1 visas. If it was allowed then why would they reach out so many times?

There was once a time when a union job in the automobile industry was the gold standard for the working class in America. Now foreign manufacturers are setting up in "right to work" / anti-union states in the south.

Hyundai was sued by the Labor Department under Biden in 2024 for using underage workers. A Reuters investigation revealed the widespread and illegal employment of migrant children in Alabama factories supplying parts to both Hyundai and sister brand Kia.

Reuters learned of underage workers at Hyundai supplier SMART, in Luverne, Alabama, following the brief disappearance in February 2022 of a Guatemalan migrant child from her family's home in Alabama. The 13-year-old girl and her two brothers, aged 12 and 15 at the time, all worked at the plant in 2022 and were not going to school, according to people familiar with their employment.

At the time, SMART was a Hyundai subsidiary.The Labor Department said that at the time of the alleged violations, SMART's operations were "so integrated" with Hyundai's main manufacturing plant in Montgomery that "the two companies were a single employer for purposes of liability" under U.S. labor law. And that along with the staffing firm, the three companies "jointly employed" the minor.

You do not know what you are posting about. All the Hyundai Korean workers were in this country temporarily and on visas. They are there to assemble, install and get the plant up in running while train US workers. US workers do not have the skills or knowledge base to assemble the machinery and over see the software for these types of plants.

Though that does not matter anymore. These plants and other foreign manufacturing investments in the US will be shut down within a year or two. These raid showed that Trump will not work with foreign investors in the US. Also because of the complexity of the manufacturing process many components ship across the border 3-5 times. It is cheaper to set up a manufacturing plant outside the US, ship to the US and pay the tariff once instead a few 100 times.

It is pay to play, and the South Koreans were not going to pay. Pretty simple.

That's not true, Trump backtracked...and lost.

Trump offered to let detained Korean workers stay in US, but all declined except for one person.
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consu...ack&utm_medium=email

Reading the reports of the detainees in Korean media outlets, I think it is safe to say that the Koreans won't be doing business in the US at this scale anytime soon without major concessions.

[Anonymous]

the Korean-American community of mostly affluent and hard working suburbanites, is going nuts over this issue and not in a way good for Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the Korean-American community of mostly affluent and hard working suburbanites, is going nuts over this issue and not in a way good for Republicans.

I'm sure MAGAs DGAF about what Korean Americans think

[Anonymous]

What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

[Anonymous]

What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

If that were true, why did Trump then say they could stay?

What's so hard about talking to them and explaining the problem and letting them either get the proper visa paperwork or go back on their own? Why put them in arm and leg shackles and put them in detention for 2 weeks only to then tell them that they can stay? How is that the best way to deal with any of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

How much experience do you have in international business diplomacy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

they were here legally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

If that were true, why did Trump then say they could stay?

What's so hard about talking to them and explaining the problem and letting them either get the proper visa paperwork or go back on their own? Why put them in arm and leg shackles and put them in detention for 2 weeks only to then tell them that they can stay? How is that the best way to deal with any of this?

That is what had been going on for some time. They were unable to get proper paperwork. The were denied multiple times, they went and did it anyway.

Also, it appears that Hyundai was trying to skirt the rules and avoid liability with a network of contractors. How is the US "sposed" to know what Hyundai was doing. Were they just supposed to figure out, oh these are all contractors that happen to work for Hyundai, and they all have bad paperwork. Oh I've tried that one before. Hey, let me get Hyundai on the phone. I need to 'splain somethin'. Then there was the Biden admin playing along and helping coverup.

The point is it isn't as simple as "call someone up and tell them to get their act together".

It's kind of like trying to explain to a Democrat. No really we don't want so much immigration. Well, we told them, then they doubled down on it. Incorrigible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ:

“Hyundai and LG Energy each filed a complaint to South Korea’s Foreign Ministry in April and May, asking for help with U.S. visa issues, according to documents obtained by ruling party lawmaker Kim Young-bae. Seoul’s Foreign Ministry said it had reached out to the Trump administration 52 times during his second term to discuss visa issues for Korean businesses.

“Asian companies investing in America have faced trouble in receiving enough work visas for personnel needed to get the U.S. plants running, amid a shortage of skilled American technical workers.”

I am tired of hearing about the shortage of the skilled American worker. Maybe if they reached out 52 times the answer was- you can't bring in almost 500 international workers to assemble a plant with a total of 1500 workers getting the plant ready. Maybe the US government realized they weren't struggling to find skilled workers. They’re struggling to find people willing to work under the pay and conditions they’re offering.

And think logically. If they are admitting they reached out 52 times, then they absolutely realized most of the almost 500 workers were not allowed to work on the entry permit ETSA / B-1 visas. If it was allowed then why would they reach out so many times?

There was once a time when a union job in the automobile industry was the gold standard for the working class in America. Now foreign manufacturers are setting up in "right to work" / anti-union states in the south.

Hyundai was sued by the Labor Department under Biden in 2024 for using underage workers. A Reuters investigation revealed the widespread and illegal employment of migrant children in Alabama factories supplying parts to both Hyundai and sister brand Kia.

Reuters learned of underage workers at Hyundai supplier SMART, in Luverne, Alabama, following the brief disappearance in February 2022 of a Guatemalan migrant child from her family's home in Alabama. The 13-year-old girl and her two brothers, aged 12 and 15 at the time, all worked at the plant in 2022 and were not going to school, according to people familiar with their employment.

At the time, SMART was a Hyundai subsidiary.The Labor Department said that at the time of the alleged violations, SMART's operations were "so integrated" with Hyundai's main manufacturing plant in Montgomery that "the two companies were a single employer for purposes of liability" under U.S. labor law. And that along with the staffing firm, the three companies "jointly employed" the minor.

You do not know what you are posting about. All the Hyundai Korean workers were in this country temporarily and on visas. They are there to assemble, install and get the plant up in running while train US workers. US workers do not have the skills or knowledge base to assemble the machinery and over see the software for these types of plants.

Though that does not matter anymore. These plants and other foreign manufacturing investments in the US will be shut down within a year or two. These raid showed that Trump will not work with foreign investors in the US. Also because of the complexity of the manufacturing process many components ship across the border 3-5 times. It is cheaper to set up a manufacturing plant outside the US, ship to the US and pay the tariff once instead a few 100 times.

It is pay to play, and the South Koreans were not going to pay. Pretty simple.

That's not true, Trump backtracked...and lost.

Trump offered to let detained Korean workers stay in US, but all declined except for one person.
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consu...ack&utm_medium=email

They were being held is a hell hole prison with no food, no translator and handcuffs and chained 24 hours a day. These were people who were highly trained engineers working for some of the biggest companies in South Korea. These were people who entered this country on business visas. South Koreans are seeing this 24/7 on all their media.

Trump would not allow the shackles to be removed while in the US. People in South Korea are comparing this to what the Japanese did in WW2 - slave labor. This is a shit storm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

If that were true, why did Trump then say they could stay?

What's so hard about talking to them and explaining the problem and letting them either get the proper visa paperwork or go back on their own? Why put them in arm and leg shackles and put them in detention for 2 weeks only to then tell them that they can stay? How is that the best way to deal with any of this?

That is what had been going on for some time. They were unable to get proper paperwork. The were denied multiple times, they went and did it anyway.

Also, it appears that Hyundai was trying to skirt the rules and avoid liability with a network of contractors. How is the US "sposed" to know what Hyundai was doing. Were they just supposed to figure out, oh these are all contractors that happen to work for Hyundai, and they all have bad paperwork. Oh I've tried that one before. Hey, let me get Hyundai on the phone. I need to 'splain somethin'. Then there was the Biden admin playing along and helping coverup.

The point is it isn't as simple as "call someone up and tell them to get their act together".

It's kind of like trying to explain to a Democrat. No really we don't want so much immigration. Well, we told them, then they doubled down on it. Incorrigible.

Stop your lying. They all had proper visas. All these people entered the country legally with passports and visas. They flew in from South Korea went through passport control, customs and immigration.

I guess you have never traveled by air to be so stupid to think you can enter the country with no visa. Are you one the people who f’ed this up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ:

“Hyundai and LG Energy each filed a complaint to South Korea’s Foreign Ministry in April and May, asking for help with U.S. visa issues, according to documents obtained by ruling party lawmaker Kim Young-bae. Seoul’s Foreign Ministry said it had reached out to the Trump administration 52 times during his second term to discuss visa issues for Korean businesses.

“Asian companies investing in America have faced trouble in receiving enough work visas for personnel needed to get the U.S. plants running, amid a shortage of skilled American technical workers.”

I am tired of hearing about the shortage of the skilled American worker. Maybe if they reached out 52 times the answer was- you can't bring in almost 500 international workers to assemble a plant with a total of 1500 workers getting the plant ready. Maybe the US government realized they weren't struggling to find skilled workers. They’re struggling to find people willing to work under the pay and conditions they’re offering.

And think logically. If they are admitting they reached out 52 times, then they absolutely realized most of the almost 500 workers were not allowed to work on the entry permit ETSA / B-1 visas. If it was allowed then why would they reach out so many times?

There was once a time when a union job in the automobile industry was the gold standard for the working class in America. Now foreign manufacturers are setting up in "right to work" / anti-union states in the south.

Hyundai was sued by the Labor Department under Biden in 2024 for using underage workers. A Reuters investigation revealed the widespread and illegal employment of migrant children in Alabama factories supplying parts to both Hyundai and sister brand Kia.

Reuters learned of underage workers at Hyundai supplier SMART, in Luverne, Alabama, following the brief disappearance in February 2022 of a Guatemalan migrant child from her family's home in Alabama. The 13-year-old girl and her two brothers, aged 12 and 15 at the time, all worked at the plant in 2022 and were not going to school, according to people familiar with their employment.

At the time, SMART was a Hyundai subsidiary.The Labor Department said that at the time of the alleged violations, SMART's operations were "so integrated" with Hyundai's main manufacturing plant in Montgomery that "the two companies were a single employer for purposes of liability" under U.S. labor law. And that along with the staffing firm, the three companies "jointly employed" the minor.

You do not know what you are posting about. All the Hyundai Korean workers were in this country temporarily and on visas. They are there to assemble, install and get the plant up in running while train US workers. US workers do not have the skills or knowledge base to assemble the machinery and over see the software for these types of plants.

Though that does not matter anymore. These plants and other foreign manufacturing investments in the US will be shut down within a year or two. These raid showed that Trump will not work with foreign investors in the US. Also because of the complexity of the manufacturing process many components ship across the border 3-5 times. It is cheaper to set up a manufacturing plant outside the US, ship to the US and pay the tariff once instead a few 100 times.

It is pay to play, and the South Koreans were not going to pay. Pretty simple.

That's not true, Trump backtracked...and lost.

Trump offered to let detained Korean workers stay in US, but all declined except for one person.
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consu...ack&utm_medium=email

They were being held is a hell hole prison with no food, no translator and handcuffs and chained 24 hours a day. These were people who were highly trained engineers working for some of the biggest companies in South Korea. These were people who entered this country on business visas. South Koreans are seeing this 24/7 on all their media.

Trump would not allow the shackles to be removed while in the US. People in South Korea are comparing this to what the Japanese did in WW2 - slave labor. This is a shit storm.

What has the GOP/MAGA done? They’ve screwed us over big time. They literally pulled the rug out from their own children and grandchildren.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans shooting themselves in the foot.

Another one bites the dust.

Laughing stock of the world.

So. Much. Winning.

Ready.

Fire.

Aim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s so hard about they were not here legally so they don’t get to stay?

They were almost all here legally.

The question is whether the work they were doing was permitted under the visas.
They are allowed to come here and install equipment and train people on their use.
The allegation is that some of them were doing more than installing specialty equipment and training people on their use. Some people say they were doing basic construction that could have been done by domestic labor.

If you don't think this is a complicated issue that requires more facts than you have then you don't understand the issues.